Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)

Slaythe · Mar 14, 2020

Edmond Dantès said:
The disparity between the death rates for men and women in all but the 90+ age group is still shocking to me.

Has there been any detailed analysis as to why this is happening, not just in Italy, but globally too?

One of the Italy doctors explained why.

The hospitals are at full capacity so they are being selective.

They pick young people over old people, and they peak women over men, when it comes to "who gets to be saved in priority".

Dany1899 · Mar 14, 2020

xMM4nsonx said:
In Piemonte we have 0 recovered cases.

I read yesterday that the first Piemonte's patient has recovered and tested negative.

Torino, il paziente numero 1 verso la libertà: negativo il tampone

Dopo tre settimane di ricovero potrà abbracciare miglie e due figli

torino.repubblica.it

Also a 97-year-old man recovered:

Coronavirus: guarito un uomo di 97 anni ricoverato all'Amedeo di Savoia di Torino

Dopo sette giorni in ospedale oggi il test che accerta la negatività all'infezione

torino.repubblica.it

It is strange that in the official numbers they are reported as recovered.

Snarfington · Mar 14, 2020

sarumog said:
how would you know they are not sick when you can spread this if not showing any signs? Still sounds risky

For sure, but some folks aren't gonna handle isolation properly at this stage so at least mitigating it a little by not going out into crowded bars and clubs.... Would be somewhat helpful, I guess?

Simon-chan · Mar 14, 2020

Dreadful numbers, but at least the number of recoveries has increased.

Retsudo · Mar 14, 2020

LFMartins86 said:
It seems like the regional government of the Azores tried to shutdown the airways to the Azores but the national government of Portugal denied it so the regional government has now made the letter public.
We really need to close the airways, it's 9 islands who can't handle that many cases.

Can you share where you saw this? Wouldn't surprise me in the least but haven't seen anything out there yet.

Lucael · Mar 14, 2020

Slaythe said:
One of the Italy doctors explained why.

The hospitals are at full capacity so they are being selective.

They pick young people over old people, and they peak women over men, when it comes to "who gets to be saved in priority".

It's not that way, a group of specialists and medics that work in IC wrote a public letter in which they explained that this can still happen.

Butch · Mar 14, 2020

Lucael said:
It's not that way, a group of specialists and medics that work in IC wrote a public letter in which they explained that this can still happen.

So it is happening?

Shodan14 · Mar 14, 2020

Countries are closing border in EU one by one.

Landy828 · Mar 14, 2020

Holy crap at Italy's 7% death rate👀

Xita · Mar 14, 2020

Shodan14 said:
Countries are closing border in EU one by one.

Feel like Germany's probably next on the list.

Hana-Bi · Mar 14, 2020

Xita said:
Feel like Germany's probably next on the list.

If everyone closes the border around us, we don't have to do it. :)

Slaythe · Mar 14, 2020

Lucael said:
It's not that way, a group of specialists and medics that work in IC wrote a public letter in which they explained that this can still happen.

http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/Ne...ovid19 - Raccomandazioni di etica clinica.pdf

Right, but things have gotten worse since publication.
In this, they say that when at full capacity, comorbidities, age, and social information should be used to determine how to prioritize treatment.

I don't believe they have been able to treat every single person with the same amount of care in the last week. It's not feasible.

Shodan14 said:
Countries are closing border in EU one by one.

Not France ! :D

Instead we decided to have massive manifestations in the middle of the capital. It's gonna turn out great.

alex.magnus · Mar 14, 2020

Naru said:
Dang, I hope they don't close us down before Wednesday because I just ordered a new TV since my old broke down. Sitting at home without being able to watch Netflix would suuuuuck.

if they do close you down in the same way the locked us down (italy) you can still receive packages and food delivery... it is just going to look vaguely dystopian when the delivery guy is wearing a face mask, gloves and refuses to come in contact with you... I had friends who got the package left in the elevator XD

Xita · Mar 14, 2020

Hana-Bi said:
If everyone closes the border around us, we don't have to do it. :)

Lolol I wonder if that's the govt's big brain plan at this point

WinniethePimp · Mar 14, 2020

So in essence, Italy reported less deaths than the previous day, but more new infections correct?

Mekanos · Mar 14, 2020

I'm in southern California with 5 reported cases in my county. Should I stop going out to restaurants, bars, etc.? Like I don't know to what extent I'm supposed to stop going to gatherings and places. Should I just go to work, go home, and only go out for essentials?

Red · Mar 14, 2020

Mekanos said:
I'm in southern California with 5 reported cases in my county. Should I stop going out to restaurants, bars, etc.? Like I don't know to what extent I'm supposed to stop going to gatherings and places. Should I just go to work, go home, and only go out for essentials?

Yes.

SolidSnakex · Mar 14, 2020

Mekanos said:
I'm in southern California with 5 reported cases in my county. Should I stop going out to restaurants, bars, etc.? Like I don't know to what extent I'm supposed to stop going to gatherings and places. Should I just go to work, go home, and only go out for essentials?

Yes, if you don't absolutely need to go somewhere then don't. It's not worth the risk.

Deleted member 17092 · Mar 14, 2020

Mekanos said:
I'm in southern California with 5 reported cases in my county. Should I stop going out to restaurants, bars, etc.? Like I don't know to what extent I'm supposed to stop going to gatherings and places. Should I just go to work, go home, and only go out for essentials?

Keep your distance from people, 6ft when possible, and yes avoid large gatherings.

Lucael · Mar 14, 2020

Slaythe said:
Right, but things have gotten worse since publication.
In this, they say that when at full capacity, comorbidities, age, and social information should be used to determine how to prioritize treatment.

I don't believe they have been able to treat every single person with the same amount of care in the last week. It's not feasible.

Actually, that's the situation:

1) IC treatment is nearly full in Lombardia but they're adding new beds every day (like around ten).
2) They still transfer patients from Lombardia in hospital of other regions. A totally of 4 were transferred today from that regions to other hospitals.

Honestly, I don't think we're still at that point. And everyone deny that.

Elynn · Mar 14, 2020

France PM now saying all non essential shops and services (restaurants, cinemas, etc) to be closed starting tomorrow.

Red · Mar 14, 2020

It makes me happy to see governments take this seriously. But then I remember how long it took them to.

alex.magnus · Mar 14, 2020

ZOONAMI said:
111 deaths under 70 divided by 20000 total cases is roughly .5%.

to be fair this is not accurate: you divided by the total cases, you should be dividing by just the number of cases of people under 70 to get the accurate percentage

carlsojo · Mar 14, 2020

Mekanos said:
I'm in southern California with 5 reported cases in my county. Should I stop going out to restaurants, bars, etc.? Like I don't know to what extent I'm supposed to stop going to gatherings and places. Should I just go to work, go home, and only go out for essentials?

I would avoid large gatherings. Work from home if you can.

Xando · Mar 14, 2020

Herb Alpert · Mar 14, 2020

Elynn said:
France PM now saying all non essential shops and services (restaurants, cinemas, etc) to be closed starting tomorrow.

Went quicker than what I was expecting

SushiReese · Mar 14, 2020

After reading so many articles and videos, I still could not understand how does the "hend immunity" UK's approach work out.

The man from California also wrote this article many people have posted before:
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now

ReactionShot · Mar 14, 2020

4499 cases + 91 deaths (2%) in France, 838 cases + 12 deaths since Friday evening. Le Figaro

Deleted member 13101 · Mar 14, 2020

Mekanos said:
I'm in southern California with 5 reported cases in my county. Should I stop going out to restaurants, bars, etc.? Like I don't know to what extent I'm supposed to stop going to gatherings and places. Should I just go to work, go home, and only go out for essentials?

My town's mayor enacted a 50% occupancy emergency measure yesterday, so basically no room in any restaurant, etc. can be more than 50% full. Look out for something similar in your area, and avoid places that continue to seat people right next to each other. Some restaurants here are converting to curbside/takeout for that reason.

Lucael · Mar 14, 2020

Nice to see that France is in lockdown already, faster than we did in Italy but we were the first anyway. Everything will be fine in France as well.

Mac_Lane · Mar 14, 2020

PM Philippe sounded pissed at the French people. Seems we are taking this situation all too lightly.

Herb Alpert · Mar 14, 2020

And yet France is voting tomorrow...
And next sunday...

What could go wrong ?!?

Mekanos · Mar 14, 2020

carlsojo said:
I would avoid large gatherings. Work from home if you can.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like it's an option right now, our systems are pretty tied to work. I asked if they're going to send us home and they're like "idk bro." Shit sucks.

Deleted member 21709 · Mar 14, 2020

Xando said:

This is what every major city in the world needs to do. Including New York.

alex.magnus · Mar 14, 2020

WinniethePimp said:
So in essence, Italy reported less deaths than the previous day, but more new infections correct?

we also reported the biggest number of recoveries yet.
they freed up almost 300 hospital beds in Lombardia (which is still not enough)

Temperance · Mar 14, 2020

Pwnz said:
Why is there such a massive gender gap? Do men not get medical help or smoke more or something?

Would early prostate cancer be considered a compromised immune condition? That's higher in men right?

WinniethePimp · Mar 14, 2020

The UK Approach regarding herd immunity honestly sounds a little like the government never wanted to put "the work" into even TRYING to contain this so they figure this is the next best approach and it comes off as kind of "lazy" to me personally. Now i am aware that i probably do not see all they see and have access to all the data like the government has obviously so i cannot claim there is absolutely no validity to this concept and who knows, maybe in the LONG run it may have some benefits, but the human cost to get there just seems insane to me.
And i reckon that pretty much anyone not likely to be included in the 80% with mild symptoms will somewhat agree with me at least here....

CrankyJay · Mar 14, 2020

Trying to tell my friend's panicky wife to give the pediatric urgent care a call BEFORE taking their kids there for cough and fever (one day only, lol) to see if they will even see them, even if it is only flu or something else.

Naru · Mar 14, 2020

alex.magnus said:
if they do close you down in the same way the locked us down (italy) you can still receive packages and food delivery... it is just going to look vaguely dystopian when the delivery guy is wearing a face mask, gloves and refuses to come in contact with you... I had friends who got the package left in the elevator XD

Lets hope they don't close down the shop I ordered it from first. Getting it into my apartment shouldn't be a problem. It's probably too heavy for me alone but I still have one of those "hand trucks" so I should be able to get it in. First world problems.... oh my....

bye · Mar 14, 2020

Is this true? If so, Nancy really should have fought harder.

GiantEnemyCrab · Mar 14, 2020

US Travel ban now includes UK and Ireland.

Steel · Mar 14, 2020

Slaythe said:
One of the Italy doctors explained why.

The hospitals are at full capacity so they are being selective.

They pick young people over old people, and they peak women over men, when it comes to "who gets to be saved in priority".

Also heard a bit where older men are more likely to have been/are smokers, and as such are more likely to have lung problems leading to complications.

fr0st · Mar 14, 2020

Did Trump's test results come back?

Slaythe · Mar 14, 2020

inguef said:
This is what every major city in the world needs to do. Including New York.

We have open borders and they let hundreds of idiots assemble in the middle of Paris today.

You do not want to be like France.

SpottieO · Mar 14, 2020

Family told me a second case was reported in San Antonio. This person recently returned from Japan. I'm guessing they'll start discovering cases of community transmission as a result of this and the other travel related case from California.

Schreckweg 5000 · Mar 14, 2020

nampad said:
Was at a Lidl in Frankfurt for lunch, it was packed. My wife told me that toilet paper was out in the super markets she visited in Düsseldorf and it was already like that a week ago.

Avoid large gatherings. Meanwhile at german supermarkets

Deleted member 17092 · Mar 14, 2020

alex.magnus said:
to be fair this is not accurate: you divided by the total cases, you should be dividing by just the number of cases of people under 70 to get the accurate percentage

Yeah this is true. But I also assume the number or people being tested under 70 doesn't reflect the total number of infections, like not even close.

Guppeth · Mar 14, 2020

Temperance said:
Would early prostate cancer be considered a compromised immune condition? That's higher in men right?

It's cancer of the male reproductive system, so not really useful to consider.

AoM · Mar 14, 2020

Steel said:
Also heard a bit where older men are more likely to have been/are smokers, and as such are more likely to have lung problems leading to complications.

Yup.

Lucael · Mar 14, 2020

Temperance said:
Would early prostate cancer be considered a compromised immune condition? That's higher in men right?

Smoking seems to be a huge factor in COD-19. Some days ago the Istituto Superiore della Sanità (CDC in Italy basically) said that smokers have double chance to end up in IC but the article was missing sources anyway.

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