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.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
22,228
Ehehe. Being Dutch, I of course have tons of paracetamol at home! Ahead of the curve, baybee.
 

Tigress

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Oct 25, 2017
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Washington
Not making it up
It was like I was watching an episode of the twilight zone. Guy is a fucking ass but if he can convince that audience it's "not just the flu" and keep people from going about and spreading it to more people or getting the more vulnerable sick...then good.

www.cnn.com

Tucker Carlson delivers coronavirus warning as his Fox colleagues attack media's coverage

While some of his colleagues have downplayed coronavirus fears, Tucker Carlsonover the last few weeks has taken a much different approach.

Well, he might actually get through to my dad and stepmom, they watch him religiously :(.
 

TheZynster

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Oct 26, 2017
13,285
the way this corporate email that just got sent out makes it not a if we shutdown, but a when......

Working presently right now and on break. Apparently someone in the warehouse went home sick yesterday and is being tested. They were apparently in close contact to someone with the virus. If that comes back positive it basically is two week shutdown for the entire company. I mean i get paid while off.....but damn that is nuts, the only other time this company has shutdown is when we got that 2 feet of snow....we NEVER shutdown. Hell, we have a literal massive ass generator, we don't even go down due to power outages....the lights kick back on after about 5 seconds.
 

TheZynster

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Oct 26, 2017
13,285
FUCK



SHE TESTED POSITIVE, She went up in the commons and everything, i just came back from there.....god damn it
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is official: We (Spain) are on lockdown.

(Well, starts in 2 days, I guess enough time for all thse fools from Madrid to return to their houses)
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Wut? So ibuprofen makes it worse??
I def. need more info on this.
www.francetvinfo.fr

Coronavirus : pourquoi le ministre de la Santé déconseille la prise d'anti-inflammatoires, qui pourraient aggraver l'infection

Olivier Véran a recommandé, samedi, de lutter contre la fièvre avec du paracétamol, plutôt que de l'ibuprofène ou de la cortisone. Les patients sous anti-inflammatoires pour d'autres maladies sont invités à demander conseil à leur médecin.
"Anti-inflammatory drugs have an immunosuppressive effect" - that is to say that inhibits the activity of the immune system - "which promotes infections. They have a 'booster' effect", explains to franceinfo Alexandre Bleibtreu, infectious disease doctor at the Pitié-Salpêtrière in Paris. "They can also mask symptoms and have harmful side effects," adds Astrid Vabret, head of the virology department at the CHU de Caen.

Alexandre Bleitreu remembers that problems were noted "during the epidemic of Mers", another coronavirus. "The addition of corticosteroids worsened the prognosis and led to complications with bacterial infections."
 
Dec 4, 2017
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Oh wait. Does that mean that stuff like Desloratadin would affect this negatively too? Desloratadin is cortisone or not? Stuff against allergies? This is a question btw, I'm not sure. But I'm allergic.

Desloratadin is not a corticosteroid, so it's not the same pharmaceutical class than cortisone. It's what we call an ani-histamininc. They are not known as having side effects such as worsening viral infections.

Regarding nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofene, I suppose it's very plausible they can worsen a corconavirus infection. It's already a known fact in medicine those drugs can worsen viral infections of the ottorhinolaryngology sphere, and of the upper and lower respiratory system. So, i'ts not so surprising it can be the case with coronavirus.

So yeah, in case of fever, people have to use paracetamol (acetaminophen in north america) only.

BTW, I'm a MD.
 
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Slaythe

The Wise Ones
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Oct 25, 2017
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RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel so bad for those with really crippling anxiety. I'm getting so anxious now it's unbelievable. It's like we're all waiting for this combination of 9/11 and the 2008 crash in slow motion and there's not much we can do except separate ourselves and in a lot of cases stop doing the things that could normally distract us and help us feel like things are normal. The feeling of dread and unknown is palpable.
 

Everyday Math

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Oct 25, 2017
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Desloratadin is not a corticosteroid, so it's not the same pharmaceutical class than cortisone. It's what we call an ani-histamininc. They are not known as having side effects such as worsening viral infections.

Regarding nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofene, I suppose it's very plausible they can worsen a corconavirus infection. It's already a known fact in medicine those drugs can worsen viral infections of the ottorhinolaryngology sphere, and of the upper and lower respiratory system. So, i'ts not so surprising it can be the case with coronavirus.

So yeah, in case of fever, people have to use paracetamiol (acetaminophen in north america) only.

BTW, I'm a MD.
Thank you for your insight.
 

Piccoro

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Nov 20, 2017
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www.francetvinfo.fr

Coronavirus : pourquoi le ministre de la Santé déconseille la prise d'anti-inflammatoires, qui pourraient aggraver l'infection

Olivier Véran a recommandé, samedi, de lutter contre la fièvre avec du paracétamol, plutôt que de l'ibuprofène ou de la cortisone. Les patients sous anti-inflammatoires pour d'autres maladies sont invités à demander conseil à leur médecin.
Crap. I'm kinda addicted to iboprofen, because I have regular headaches. 😞
 

poklane

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Oct 25, 2017
27,924
the Netherlands
Starting Monday 8am, people in Spain will no longer be allowed to leave their homes unless for one of the following reasons:
  1. The acquisition of foods, pharmaceuticals and essential items.
  2. Access to healthcare centers.
  3. Journeys to workplaces or to carry out labor, professional or company duties
  4. Return journeys to habitual residences
  5. Assistance for and care of seniors, minors, dependants, the disabled or vulnerable people.
  6. Journeys to financial institutions.
  7. For reasons of force majeure or situations of necessity.
  8. Any other activity that is justifiably necessary.
english.elpais.com

PM due to make statement after seven-hour debate on state of alert measures

Draft decree includes banning all journeys in Spain apart from travel to work or to buy food. The delay on Saturday was reportedly due to differences between the Socialists and their coalition partners, Unidas Podemos
 

Ryu

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Oct 25, 2017
2,316
Desloratadin is not a corticosteroid, so it's not the same pharmaceutical class than cortisone. It's what we call an ani-histamininc. They are not known as having side effects such as worsening viral infections.

Regarding nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofene, I suppose it's very plausible they can worsen a corconavirus infection. It's already a known fact in medicine those drugs can worsen viral infections of the ottorhinolaryngology sphere, and of the upper and lower respiratory system. So, i'ts not so surprising it can be the case with coronavirus.

So yeah, in case of fever, people have to use paracetamiol (acetaminophen in north america) only.

BTW, I'm a MD.

Huff, thanks for your reply. Feels a lot better now, because I was getting some cortisone back then and was getting really a bit anxious just now.

So paracetamol on case of fever it is, and I can continue with Deslo..

Edit:

Crap. I'm kinda addicted to iboprofen, because I have regular headaches. 😞

I feel you :/ but not because of headaches, but because my body doesn't like paracetamol. I hope I just never get fever in the next 2 months in the first place. Ibuprofen was and is my go to drug in case of headaches and fever.
 
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SolidSnakex

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Oct 25, 2017
23,374
Starting Monday 8am, people in Spain will no longer be allowed to leave their homes unless for one of the following reasons:
  1. The acquisition of foods, pharmaceuticals and essential items.
  2. Access to healthcare centers.
  3. Journeys to workplaces or to carry out labor, professional or company duties
  4. Return journeys to habitual residences
  5. Assistance for and care of seniors, minors, dependants, the disabled or vulnerable people.
  6. Journeys to financial institutions.
  7. For reasons of force majeure or situations of necessity.
  8. Any other activity that is justifiably necessary.
english.elpais.com

PM due to make statement after seven-hour debate on state of alert measures

Draft decree includes banning all journeys in Spain apart from travel to work or to buy food. The delay on Saturday was reportedly due to differences between the Socialists and their coalition partners, Unidas Podemos

Necessary measures with it exploding in Spain right now.
 

Aranath

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Jan 15, 2018
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My language academy in Seville has shut down. We're holding a teleconference meeting on Monday afternoon to figure out next steps. I'm sincerely hoping we continue teaching online. I can't go without my income.

My partner is a tattoo artist, so I imagine she'll be shut down now as well. There's no way in hell we can live without both our incomes.
 

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Not making it up
It was like I was watching an episode of the twilight zone. Guy is a fucking ass but if he can convince that audience it's "not just the flu" and keep people from going about and spreading it to more people or getting the more vulnerable sick...then good.

www.cnn.com

Tucker Carlson delivers coronavirus warning as his Fox colleagues attack media's coverage

While some of his colleagues have downplayed coronavirus fears, Tucker Carlsonover the last few weeks has taken a much different approach.

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Dragon1893

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Oct 25, 2017
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This shit makes you paranoid, I'm at home and I'm feeling a slight headache and I'm already wondering if I have this shit, but calling the hotline just because of a slight headache feels so stupid and even irresponsible. What a shitty situation. AFAIK there aren't any confirmed cases in my area but who knows where the people I've interacted with lately have been.

Desloratadin is not a corticosteroid, so it's not the same pharmaceutical class than cortisone. It's what we call an ani-histamininc. They are not known as having side effects such as worsening viral infections.

Regarding nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofene, I suppose it's very plausible they can worsen a corconavirus infection. It's already a known fact in medicine those drugs can worsen viral infections of the ottorhinolaryngology sphere, and of the upper and lower respiratory system. So, i'ts not so surprising it can be the case with coronavirus.

So yeah, in case of fever, people have to use paracetamol (acetaminophen in north america) only.

BTW, I'm a MD.

Thanks for the info.
 

Beje

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Oct 27, 2017
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Necessary measures with it exploding in Spain right now.

I asked about it in whatsapp groups... basically in cities as close to Madrid as Toledo (with a lot of people going back and forth to work/leisure), people were still crowding bars and parks this morning while the ICUs are already rejecting patients that are too old. Since people are going to act as assholes, they'll have to be treated as assholes unfortunately.
 
Dec 4, 2017
93
Huff, thanks for your reply. Feels a lot better now, because I was getting some cortisone back then and was getting really a bit anxious just now.

So paracetamol on case of fever it is, and I can continue with Deslo..

I almost forgot.
So, anti-histaminic such as desloratadin is OK for allergies and paracetamol (acetaminophen) is OK for fever and non-steroidal anti-infammatory drugs such as Ibuprofen are not OK for fever because it can worsen coronavirus infection.

But, ALSO, CORTICOSTEROIDS (cortisone, prednisone, prednisolone...) are ABSOLUTELY NOT OK if someone has fever or pain and is infected. These drugs have a strong immmunosupressive effect. So they can definitively do damage by impeding the capacity of the immune system to fight the infection back.
If someone has a suspicion of coronavirus infection and absolutely needs to take corticosteroid for another health issue (these drugs are prescribed for dozens of conditions, some of those are serious or chronic), someone should absolutely tell his/her doctor to see if it's really necessary.
 

Kikujiro

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Oct 27, 2017
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We've been saying for days that Spain was going to be the next Italy since it had the same trajectory. Yet the government waited and waited and only now they are acting, it's good they are taking extreme measures, but they could've acted way sooner, with people going on holidays and kids going out everyday the virus is probably everywhere, same situation as Italy.
 

Lafazar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bern, Switzerland
the ibuprofen thing isn't fake news :



French health minister


University Hospital of Vienna (which is often cited as a source for this claim) denies this vehemently:

Found via this article (german, translated):
There is currently a social media warning saying that taking ibuprofen causes severe Covid-19 history. The University Hospital Vienna is mentioned as an unofficial source. They distance thmselves from the claims and speak clearly of fake news.

Edit: Do you seriously think doctors the world over would not have noticed this by now if there was indeed such an increase in case severity from taking Ibuprofen?
 
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vastag

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Oct 26, 2017
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I asked about it in whatsapp groups... basically in cities as close to Madrid as Toledo (with a lot of people going back and forth to work/leisure), people were still crowding bars and parks this morning while the ICUs are already rejecting patients that are too old. Since people are going to act as assholes, they'll have to be treated as assholes unfortunately.

Sadly properly communicating what an exponential growth entails to the general public is really difficult (I'm a researcher that works with similar distributions regularly and is one of the things that is always tricky for first year grad students). Add the long incubation periods and is a recipe for disaster, people think that because they are asymptomatic everything is ok. That's why this kind of measures are necessary.
 

Beje

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Oct 27, 2017
3,751
We've been saying for days that Spain was going to be the next Italy since it had the same trajectory. Yet the government waited and waited and only now they are acting, it's good they are taking extreme measures, but they could've acted way sooner, with people going on holidays and kids going out everyday the virus is probably everywhere, same situation as Italy.

We've recently learned it was our asshole vice-president Nadia Calviño campaigning to delay it as much as she could "to save the economy". It could probably have been done DAYS earlier.
 

Kodama4

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Oct 25, 2017
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We've been saying for days that Spain was going to be the next Italy since it had the same trajectory. Yet the government waited and waited and only now they are acting, it's good they are taking extreme measures, but they could've acted way sooner, with people going on holidays and kids going out everyday the virus is probably everywhere, same situation as Italy.

what's the next country on the trajectory? The UK?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry. this is not a situation I really understood. I was thinking in terms of closing schools to keep kids and their families from infecting each other.
Thanks for clarifying the issue.
Here in Denmark, they are closing schools and sending all non essential public sector personal home. However, they have emergency care keeping things open for kids of essential personal so it's not really an issue.


I just read on Hart van Nederland that The Netherlands isn't testing people with mild symptoms anymore. People with mild symptoms need to stay in their homes. This means that there are probably more cases which are just not being tested.
Same thing in Denmark. Even if you are old (around 70)
 

Coyote Starrk

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Oct 30, 2017
53,013
Panic buying has officially hit my town here in Texas. No toilet paper, no paper towels, no baby wipes, and no water.



This is insane.
 

Garfield

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Oct 31, 2018
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Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has said the Tokyo Olympic Games will go ahead as planned in July, despite coronavirus concerns resulting in the postponement of many sporting events.

But he added that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) would have the final decision whether Tokyo 2020 went ahead.

Japan has had more than 1,400 cases and 28 deaths resulting from coronavirus.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I just read on Hart van Nederland that The Netherlands isn't testing people with mild symptoms anymore. People with mild symptoms need to stay in their homes. This means that there are probably more cases which are just not being tested.
Ah shit :/ How's the overall mood in Tilburg btw(saw it on your profile)? I'm in A'dam and even though people have started realizing what's happening there's still way too many not giving a shit.
 

EloKa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Germany has released an official statement that the Ibuprofen thing is fake news and people should stop sharing that immediately.

The university which is used as a source for the Ibuprofren statement has also stated that this news is fake.