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isn't that BS to not have flu split up into the same categories as covid-19?You can show this to those who still argue "It's just the flu":
When I came back from Thailand/Taiwan on Sunday, the US customs screening was extremely lax. No heat signature test, no asking if I had been to China like Thailand and Taiwan did, I basically just walked though it like it was nothing.
US fucking up.
US fucking up.
It is crazy to me that the US still don't have infrared fever screenings at international airports.
This is something that broke ass countries manage to afford.
No we can't. We swab so many people for the flu so the percent that die is much lower than when we are simply mainly swabbing people that are critically ill. It is also why the mortality rates seem much higher in the US compared to South Korea. South Korea is being much more liberal with testing than the US is so when there is a death in the US, the percent mortality is more affected.
Once testing reaches the same levels as the flu swabs, the comparisons will be better.
I was in Thailand for a bachelor party and literally every club we went to had infrared screenings before you could come in. A major US airport not bothering to do it at all is shameful.
I have cardiovascular disease mate and I'm choosing not to let worry run my life. Try not to let it get the best of you :)
I'm in Seattle and there is still zero screening anywhere.
They tell people to measure their temperature and call their primary care physician if they have fever.
That's crazy.
Those things aren't expensive, not for a country as rich as the US.
Damn I'm going to wendover this Monday so I'm a little worried. I'm driving there so travel won't be to bad just a casino and hotel seem like a giant cesspool. I'll bring hand sanitizer and be extremely careful.
Also in Utah about 30 minutes away from SLC how worries should I be to work out at the gym? I'm 23 and smoke weed so I'm pretty sure I'll be fine besides the smoking part... Anyway should I be to concerned about the gym or should I continue getting RIPPED!!!!!
Also in Utah about 30 minutes away from SLC how worries should I be to work out at the gym? I'm 23 and smoke weed so I'm pretty sure I'll be fine besides the smoking part... Anyway should I be to concerned about the gym or should I continue getting RIPPED!!!!!
One of my company's clients is quarantined because one of their employees is infected. :/ Shit is getting closer.
Stop spreading misinformation. That come from a massive study in China analyzing their cases. The WHO confirmed that there isn't mysteriously a bunch of cases out there not found as well. Stop acting like trump.
Julia Lindau on Twitter
“I just landed at JFK after reporting on #coronavirus in Milan and Lombardy —the epicenter of Italy’s outbreak— for @vicenews. I walked right through US customs. They didn’t ask me where in Italy I went or if I came into contact with sick people. They didn’t ask me anything.”
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Maybe already posted, but people returning from the epicenter of the virus aren't getting screened in the US at all. Have to think that we have way more cases than the testing would let us believe. Jesus Christ.
Then explain why the virus has been circulating in the US for 6 weeks and we only started noticing now. There are mild cases, there has to be.
Indonesia has already deployed numerous scanners at our international airports since January.
Because the CDC refused to test people? I mean it's been the top story for the past week. There were literally multiple people that died at the life care center in Kirkland before they started testing people. If you have shit testing procedures then your going to miss people spreading it.
No, the Spanish Flu did not have a kill rate of only 2%. The second wave that made it famous had a kill rate of 10-20%. There is conflicting data on this because of a paper that appears to have presented the math in a confusing way at best, if not entirely messing it up. There was a good Twitter thread linked earlier in either this thread or the previous one on it, but if you take the upper bound of estimated deaths of 50 million from the Spanish Flu and divide by the alleged kill rate of 2%, you get more than the entire world population at the time. And the virus didn't even infect 100% of the people in the world in 1918. So it can't have been as low as only 2%. (Using the lower bound of 20 million doesn't get numbers that make sense either).
Until recently they haven't been testing people who don't have a travel history to China (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/health/us-cases-coronavirus-community-transmission/index.html). At this point though there are already multiple generations of community transmission (https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic-transmission/).
wow at the hostility. What the fuck does Trump have to do with what I said. I didn't see that those numbers were based on the Chinese data. If so the numbers are probably closer to the real numbers for China but you are also comparing mortality rates in another country that was completely overwhelmed by the outbreak. The mortality rate is likely going to continue shifting as the virus continues to spread. In the US, the virus is very likely out there we just aren't testing everyone that exhibits viral symptoms.
there are many factors that affect mortality rates and it's not so easy to do a direct comparison. I still posit that we won't know the true mortality rate until the 'season' is over with. Just take a look at mortality rates of the flu by country and see how they vary.
I am not saying that people shouldn't worry, but the panic is a little out of control.
So like....... How exactly did the Spanish flu go away? And can Covid-19 19 also go away in the same way?
5 confirmed cases here in Houston so far, and they are all connected to a trip to Egypt.
What makes a possible underreported outbreak in Egypt more concerning is that temperatures in Cairo and most tourist destinations in Egypt have been close to 80F. Warmer than most places with confirmed outbreaks.
What makes a possible underreported outbreak in Egypt more concerning is that temperatures in Cairo and most tourist destinations in Egypt have been close to 80F. Warmer than most places with confirmed outbreaks.
S.Korea is at 40 deaths and 6284 cases per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ which works out to 0.636%
Probably the most reliable numbers we have at the moment. Not "the world is ending!" terrible but still something people should be concerned about.
Probably the most reliable numbers we have at the moment. Not "the world is ending!" terrible but still something people should be concerned about.
Did he get it in India?
We don't know of any cases in Washington DC and average incubation period is 4 days.
People should really stop fucking traveling for business and pleasure for a while if it is absolutely not necessary.
This bullshit is really starting to get into selfish territory now.
This bullshit is really starting to get into selfish territory now.
The really deadly second wave basically burned itself out by killing too many of its victims. Hopefully it doesn't come to that with COVID-19…
I said you were acting like trump because you are. Literally making up information to downplay the situation and downplay the CFR. While it will vary from country to country and adjust over time we know for an undisputed fact that it is significantly worse than the flu. Downplaying the situation is just as bad as people panicking and literally leads to mass panic because they have been misinformed previously
Prime Minister's Office - PMO, Bhutan
Press Release First confirmed COVID-19 case in Bhutan We would like to inform the general public that one positive case of COVID-19 was confirmed at 11pm on March 5. The result was validated at...
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My hate for this twitter account continues to grow lol.
I listened to a virology lecture the other day where the professor said Spanish flu had a death rate of 2%. I think that number was derived from people who received treatment so while the actual death rate might have been 10% when comparing to the modern world maybe 2% is more accurate.
if it doubles once every 6 days and we start with one person then after six weeks we have roughly 128 cases. that seems reasonable considering probably less than 1/3 are detected.
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All international travel must be stopped now. People will not do it voluntarily. Each state will have to do it for themselves. This seems drastic, but there are too many unknown risks. We don't know how many cases are out there in countries (including the US) which are not doing enough testing. International travel is just creating new opportunities to confuse and overwhelm the healthcare system in places which community spread is already happening.
The main fear stems from the fact that people don't get symptoms for 2-4 weeks after they have the virus. It's significantly easier to spread that way. The other diseases you mentioned are only spread when you're already really sick, so you're a lot more likely to be far from other people. With this, you could spread it incredibly easily for a solid month and not know you're doing it.
Someone normal you shook hands with in early February could have given it to you, and in turn you could have been giving it to at-risk people this whole time.
Sounds like a lot of opportunity for infecting othersPrime Minister's Office - PMO, Bhutan
Press Release First confirmed COVID-19 case in Bhutan We would like to inform the general public that one positive case of COVID-19 was confirmed at 11pm on March 5. The result was validated at...
My hate for this twitter account continues to grow lol.
I'm not acting like Trump at all. You are being unnecessarily hostile here. I am also not downplaying the situation, I'm trying to explain why the rates right now can't be directly compared.
Look at the COVID mortality rates in South Korea someone just posted for instance.
there is still a lot we don't know about the virus.
My wife works for a Day Care system with multiple locations here in San Jose. One of the other locations here had a teacher that tested positive for the Covid-19. Fortunately that teacher has not been in since February 28th and health county officials has deemed it as a non contagious event. As a precautionary measure, they've immediately shut down that location for cleaning and won't be open till next week.
This just rings a little close to home for comfort. We've both received phone calls and texts from pretty much every local family member asking us if we're ok. We just keep reassuring them that it was one of the other Action Day locations. Whew.
This just rings a little close to home for comfort. We've both received phone calls and texts from pretty much every local family member asking us if we're ok. We just keep reassuring them that it was one of the other Action Day locations. Whew.
Shutting down all international travel would cause a global depression overnight.
Here we go, I found it:
Ferris Jabr on Twitter
“Many people are claiming that the new coronavirus is as deadly as the 1918 Spanish flu, citing a case fatality rate (CFR) of ~2.5% The truth is that this comparison is, at best, highly unreliable, and may be completely wrong. Here's why:”
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This seems a likely explanation to me.
Yeah, but it also sounds like they're really on top of things.
I think it has been shown that decisive action in the early stages can be very effective in containing this, and I hope they pull through.
Yeah, it's a messy thing comparing the death rates of different diseases separated by a century.Here we go, I found it:
Ferris Jabr on Twitter
“Many people are claiming that the new coronavirus is as deadly as the 1918 Spanish flu, citing a case fatality rate (CFR) of ~2.5% The truth is that this comparison is, at best, highly unreliable, and may be completely wrong. Here's why:”
This seems a likely explanation to me.
Yeah, all his contacts were quarantined.
We can't give up on contact tracing, and lots of respect to the people who do it.
I'm not sure a fatality rate can be considered any more accurate for the common cold. In both cases mild cases would be unlikely to be reported. The fatality rate is always relative to cases were symptoms are strong enough for the infection to be identified. So the current fatality rate for covid is probably as accurate as the common flu's own rate, if not even more accurate in countries like South Korea where identification of infection from covid is probably currently higher than the common cold.
The more debilitating the impact of the disease the more likely it is to be identified and hence the more accurate the stats will be.
The more debilitating the impact of the disease the more likely it is to be identified and hence the more accurate the stats will be.
The massive economic downturn that would cause would end up killing way more people than the virus will.
