Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) resources and discussion thread (Discussion guidelines in OP)

DrewFu · Mar 1, 2020

elty said:
The 2021 Global Health Security Index

The 2021 GHS Index measures the capacities of 195 countries to prepare for epidemics and pandemics.

www.ghsindex.org

US ranked number 1 in terms of epidemic readiness. How is this possible in a country where you can bankrupt yourself by going to hospital?

A government's/country's readiness is not the same as healthcare costs.

Naru · Mar 1, 2020

The most sensible thing to do would be to quarantine everything you can (except water plants and similar) for 1 or 2 weeks at least but we can't do it because the economy would go up in flames. So we are doing nothing, not even banning (sporting) events and the people not understand what's at stake here don't even avoid those events. You can't just not go to work but you can just skip those gatherings for a while. Why don't they? Because they tell them the risk is very low and they believe it. Even if it is true there is no fucking reason to not avoid public events for at least 1 or 2 weeks. I just don't get it.

Kyrios · Mar 1, 2020

Naru said:
The most sensible thing to do would be to quarantine everything you can (except water plants and similar) for 1 or 2 weeks at least but we can't do it because the economy would go up in flames. So we are doing nothing, not even banning (sporting) events and the people not understand what's at stake here don't even avoid those events. You can't just not go to work but you can just skip those gatherings for a while. Why don't they?

Money, money and money.

SushiReese · Mar 1, 2020

Like in South Korea it was caused by geographic location and the Shincheonji cult, why Italy has s such serious infection situation?

DrewFu · Mar 1, 2020

Ether_Snake said:
How useful are these countdown posts? It's everywhere, we get it.

Countdown posts?

Futureman · Mar 1, 2020

astro said:
Did you read the post? Do you not find it concerning?

I was just joking. The tweet seemed to imply that FINALLY we have a president/administration who prays! Which is funny because every US president has been religious.

Schreckweg 5000 · Mar 1, 2020

CrankyJay said:
By what metric?

Can we delay defending or daring to foolishly critize the most tremendous, truly the most tremendous leader I have ever seen, magnificent even, noone was ever better than him and focus on the pandemic?

It has been laid out why the Trump goverments handling sucked so far, lets focus on that.

CrankyJay · Mar 1, 2020

Typhon said:
Within the next 30 days I expect the whole planet to be at a virtual standstill the way things are going.

Naru said:
The most sensible thing to do would be to quarantine everything you can (except water plants and similar) for 1 or 2 weeks at least but we can't do it because the economy would go up in flames. So we are doing nothing, not even banning (sporting) events and the people not understand what's at stake here don't even avoid those events. You can't just not go to work but you can just skip those gatherings for a while. Why don't they?

Government should announce tax breaks for any company capable and willing to let their workers telecommute. It would save the country a ton of money in the long run.

elty · Mar 1, 2020

Nintenleo said:
That would be hugely important if confirmed. Even because right now, let me get this straight, any "lethal percentage" or stuff like that is completely bullshit. We need to have a bigger picture of the global infection before claiming data.

I think anti body test should be easier to administrate than PCR and can be used as a screening test.

CrankyJay said:
Government should announce tax breaks for any company capable and willing to let their workers telecommute. It would save the country a ton of money in the long run.

Many of those company probably barely pay any taxes to begin with....

Sign My Guestbook! · Mar 1, 2020

DrewFu said:
A government's/country's readiness is not the same as healthcare costs.

Like, you could have a world's wealth of capabilities, but if it's all sitting in Smaug's cave...

astro · Mar 1, 2020

Futureman said:
I was just joking. The tweet seemed to imply that FINALLY we have a president/administration who prays! Which is funny because every US president has been religious.

Ahh my bad, and yea exactly.

CrankyJay · Mar 1, 2020

Schreckweg 5000 said:
Can we delay defending or daring to foolishly critize the most tremendous, truly the most tremendous leader I have ever seen, magnificent even, noone was ever better than him and focus on the pandemic?

It has been laid out why the Trump goverments handling sucked so far, lets focus on that.

Asking for data is defending the administration? What?

Ether_Snake · Mar 1, 2020

Naru said:
The most sensible thing to do would be to quarantine everything you can (except water plants and similar) for 1 or 2 weeks at least but we can't do it because the economy would go up in flames. So we are doing nothing, not even banning (sporting) events and the people not understand what's at stake here don't even avoid those events. You can't just not go to work but you can just skip those gatherings for a while. Why don't they?

Plenty of business events have been called off by businesses themselves. Sports games don't last long, most business events that have been called off usually last days. It would be like telling people to stop using public transportation. The idea that we can stop the virus from spreading by staying locked up inside is unrealistic and counter-productive. Sometimes, you can't win. The virus will spread, but the solutions are not to stop the economy to a standstill.

Naru · Mar 1, 2020

CrankyJay said:
Government should announce tax breaks for any company capable and willing to let their workers telecommute. It would save the country a ton of money in the long run.

A friend I talked to today suggested the same. I think this would be a good idea actually.

spam musubi · Mar 1, 2020

God_Of_Phwoar said:
2 weeks off work and it's legit! Pizza, Video Games. Do it.

CrankyJay said:
Assuming for a second that you did have it, it sucks that they won't or can't test you so we can get some accurate metrics.

Snarfington said:
Good on you for taking precautions to protect others. Hope you recover well & quickly whatever it is.

Ouroboros said:
Stay strong. Keep hydrated and for fuck sake start a new video game.

Nude_Tayne said:
They seem to be running on the assumption that there isn't unseen spreading caused by asymptomatic carriers, as we know happens for days if not weeks with infected people. This is bound to be the case in any area where it eventually gets out of control by nature of how it spreads. We need a lot more testing in this country pronto.

Thanks all. It's frustrating that they didn't apply the covid test so I can't know for sure if I'm clean or not. I'd probably be fine regardless, but knowing that people who are in a much more compromised position than me can't receive the proper care they need is infuriating. There are enough cases in my area that there's definitely community transmission even if I don't necessarily have it.

Deleted member 21709 · Mar 1, 2020

spam musubi said:
I live in one of the areas in the US with several cases. I have symptoms that correlate with what we're seeing here. Went to a clinic, got a flu and strep swab, both came negative, did a chest x-ray and they couldn't decide anything about it. They said I definitely have something viral but they can't figure out what. They asked me the questionnaire for travel and recent contacts who have traveled, but I don't have any, so they didn't test me for covid. Sent me back home saying to come back if I feel worse.

I'll be self quarantining.

It is outrageous that the US is not testing.

Nintenleo · Mar 1, 2020

SushiReese said:
Like in South Korea it was caused by geographic location and the Shincheonji cult, why Italy has s such serious infection situation?

It's a sum of factors. Firstly, in Italy we blocked flights from China for weeks but people could arrive from China without passing through tests simply flying from other countries. Secondly, the "patient 1" in northern Italy is what the world health organization call a superspreader. He had symptoms for like a week and wasn't tested for coronavirus by the Codogno hospital. He's also a guy who played a lot of sports in the area and had a very full social life in the past weeks. It looks like that most of the italian cases are basically directly or indirectly linked to him. Lastly, Italy is one of the first countries outside China to do a lot of novel coronavirus tests on its population. As of today, in Italy we did 21127 tests (!) and 1694 of them were positive.

Kyougar · Mar 1, 2020

I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

And even more stupid is it to downplay the virus with the argument that everyone will get it.
If everyone will get it, we will see hundreds of millions of dead people just with a mortality rate of 3%!
3% is the mortality rate with good medical care. 40% of covid cases are in hospital, 10% in ICU, our hospitals will be overloaded in no time, which will further increase the mortality rate because it is likely that most of the 10% who are currently in ICU will die without medical care.

Garchia3.0 · Mar 1, 2020

Kyougar said:
I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

Agreed.

Yoshichan · Mar 1, 2020

Plz how am I supposed to scratch my ears and eyes?

Sign My Guestbook! · Mar 1, 2020

Kyougar said:
I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

If my grandparents get it, they're gone, flat out. One can't afford it economically, and one can't afford it biologically.

Deleted member 41520 · Mar 1, 2020

Garchia3.0 said:

Unfortunately very, very few human beings have presence of mind or self-awareness to practice emotional rehearsal.

Tigress · Mar 1, 2020

solidussnaku said:
Frankly, not worried at all.

Part of me wasn't (I'm a hypochondriac so I try to downplay this stuff to myself in general to keep from going in teh total other direction) until I read 6% for people with chronic respiratory diseases (I got asthma).

CrankyJay · Mar 1, 2020

Kyougar said:
I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

And even more stupid is it to downplay the virus with the argument that everyone will get it.
If everyone will get it, we will see hundreds of millions of dead people just with a mortality rate of 3%!
3% is the mortality rate with good medical care. 40% of covid cases are in hospital, 10% in ICU, our hospitals will be overloaded in no time, which will further increase the mortality rate because it is likely that most of the 10% who are currently in ICU will die without medical care.

This may actually be "OK Boomer", the virus, meaning they're the group it will affect the most.

I'm terrified for my parents.

Nintenleo · Mar 1, 2020

Kyougar said:
I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

And even more stupid is it to downplay the virus with the argument that everyone will get it.
If everyone will get it, we will see hundreds of millions of dead people just with a mortality rate of 3%!
3% is the mortality rate with good medical care. 40% of covid cases are in hospital, 10% in ICU, our hospitals will be overloaded in no time, which will further increase the mortality rate because it is likely that most of the 10% who are currently in ICU will die without medical care.

I completely agree.
But we gotta be careful with the percentages. Right now (though covid-19 seems to be clearly more deadly than a normal flu, especially in older people) it's pretty much impossible to have a mortality rate.

Tigress · Mar 1, 2020

Kyougar said:
I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

And even more stupid is it to downplay the virus with the argument that everyone will get it.
If everyone will get it, we will see hundreds of millions of dead people just with a mortality rate of 3%!
3% is the mortality rate with good medical care. 40% of covid cases are in hospital, 10% in ICU, our hospitals will be overloaded in no time, which will further increase the mortality rate because it is likely that most of the 10% who are currently in ICU will die without medical care.

I do... and my mom tends to stay mostly in her condo anyways and is very aware of the risks (she's a hypochondriac like me) and my stepmom refuses to worry about it or do anything to prevent it and resents me telling her that 71 is old enough to be in the high risk area (she doesn't like being called old). Then again, she's republican. I even tried the you should be careful in case you spread it to other people and she's like, "That's their responsibility to avoid it". She keeps saying if she gets it and dies she had a good life and she doesn't want to worry about it.

CrankyJay · Mar 1, 2020

Nintenleo said:
I completely agree.
But we gotta be careful with the percentages. Right now (though covid-19 seems to be clearly more deadly than a normal flu, especially in older people) it's pretty much impossible to have a mortality rate.

I'm really holding out hope it will come down, but the issues are people who are asymptomatic or mild won't get tested, or doctors won't bother to test, or countries like the US are currently incapable of testing on a large scale.

Schreckweg 5000 · Mar 1, 2020

CrankyJay said:
Asking for data is defending the administration? What?

Mike Pence was presented on wednesday. I'm not interested in a 'yeay but the ghost of Hitler would have been worse so checkmate' dance

elty · Mar 1, 2020

Was there any research about the severity for those who has autoimmune problem? Just want to check how likely I can use my life insurance,

Airegin · Mar 1, 2020

Think of all the people all over the world going to their family doctor instead of the ER, infecting others in the waiting room.

Vidiot · Mar 1, 2020

Does having high blood pressure count if your controlling it with medication?

Sign My Guestbook! · Mar 1, 2020

Airegin said:
Think of all the people all over the world going to their family doctor instead of the ER, infecting others in the waiting room.

Just a bunch of people sitting next to each other, dry coughing... I mean, this shit happens without the coronavirus. Just hope there are some responsible people.

DrewFu · Mar 1, 2020

Vidiot said:
Does having high blood pressure count if your controlling it with medication?

I was wondering the same

CrankyJay · Mar 1, 2020

Vidiot said:
Does having high blood pressure count if your controlling it with medication?

I'm on BP meds and I consider this to be it doesn't count if it's controlled, but I could be wrong.

Airegin · Mar 1, 2020

Sign My Guestbook! said:
Just a bunch of people sitting next to each other, dry coughing... I mean, this shit happens without the coronavirus. Just hope there are some responsible people.

Forgot to mention they'd likely infect the doctor as well, as general practitioners don't wear any protection. In turn the doctor would infect dozens of patients in the following days.

Serious Sam · Mar 1, 2020

Kyougar said:
I find it unrespectful how many people downplay the 3% mortality rate. "You will be fine if you are young and healthy". Don't they have Parents? Don't they have family and friends who are at risk? Even obesity and high blood pressure jumps the mortality rate to 6 to 8%. I don't think people here are all 30-year-old athletes.

And even more stupid is it to downplay the virus with the argument that everyone will get it.
If everyone will get it, we will see hundreds of millions of dead people just with a mortality rate of 3%!
3% is the mortality rate with good medical care. 40% of covid cases are in hospital, 10% in ICU, our hospitals will be overloaded in no time, which will further increase the mortality rate because it is likely that most of the 10% who are currently in ICU will die without medical care.

Mortality rate is still climbing and is nearing 4%. It's kinda messed up that most news broadcasts and sites still quoting outdated 2% number.

And you are absolutely right, even if you are 30 year old can you guarantee that you are 100% healthy with perfect immune system? I know I can't guarantee that about myself.

People at work downplay this with "you'll be fine" are the same people who are on sick leave every couple of months, so yeah... not sure what are they thinking. I guess levels of denial are at all times high right now.

dodo · Mar 1, 2020

Airegin said:
Think of all the people all over the world going to their family doctor instead of the ER, infecting others in the waiting room.

Airegin said:
Forgot to mention they'd likely infect the doctor as well, as general practitioners don't wear any protection. In turn the doctor would infect dozens of patients in the following days.

do you have anything better to do than fearmonger lol

LProtagonist · Mar 1, 2020

Airegin said:
Think of all the people all over the world going to their family doctor instead of the ER, infecting others in the waiting room.

Who in the US goes to the ER for being sick? I've even got one of those 'good union health care plans' that has an HSA with some employer contributed money in there that I've had building up for the past few years, and I'd avoid the ER for anything besides a huge emergency.

Herb Alpert · Mar 1, 2020

So a kid in my son's school is quarantined cause they were in northern Italy during the holidays. Not only did his parents get him and his Sister 2 days in school before quarantine them but they also brought him at another kid birthday party yesterday.
I mean, they may be clear, but I think they didn't really understood how quarantine works...

Deleted member 41520 · Mar 1, 2020

Tigress said:
I do... and my mom tends to stay mostly in her condo anyways and is very aware of the risks (she's a hypochondriac like me) and my stepmom refuses to worry about it or do anything to prevent it and resents me telling her that 71 is old enough to be in the high risk area (she doesn't like being called old). Then again, she's republican. I even tried the you should be careful in case you spread it to other people and she's like, "That's their responsibility to avoid it". She keeps saying if she gets it and dies she had a good life and she doesn't want to worry about it.

... Jesus

She will NOT be saying that if she catches it. She sounds very entitled. No offence intended 😬

Lexad · Mar 1, 2020

Serious Sam said:
Mortality rate is still climbing and is nearing 4%. It's kinda messed up that most news broadcasts and sites still quoting outdated 2% number.

And you are absolutely right, even if you are 30 year old can you guarantee that you are 100% healthy with perfect immune system? I know I can't guarantee that about myself.

People at work downplay this with "you'll be fine" are the same people who are on sick leave every couple of months, so yeah... not sure what are they thinking. I guess levels of denial are at all times high right now.

Sadly folks at my company keep parroting you should be more worried about flu than Coronavirus. Sadly they are idiots who think that 6.8% of all deaths the prior week were flu related means Flu has 6.8% chance of death.

Deleted member 8752 · Mar 1, 2020

Tigress said:
I do... and my mom tends to stay mostly in her condo anyways and is very aware of the risks (she's a hypochondriac like me) and my stepmom refuses to worry about it or do anything to prevent it and resents me telling her that 71 is old enough to be in the high risk area (she doesn't like being called old). Then again, she's republican. I even tried the you should be careful in case you spread it to other people and she's like, "That's their responsibility to avoid it". She keeps saying if she gets it and dies she had a good life and she doesn't want to worry about it.

I mean, as long as she washes her hands and avoids contact with sick people, I think she sorta has the right attitude. Yes, do what the CDC recommends, yes, be worried about the virus, yes, take every precaution to be safe.

But at the same time, if it's not in your area, go out and live your life and don't just stay indoors alone in fear.The danger of a pandemic is very real, but if your not in an affected area, there's really only so much you could do and it doesn't make sense to panic just for the sake of it.

Kyougar · Mar 1, 2020

Vidiot said:
Does having high blood pressure count if your controlling it with medication?

Have not found anything :(
For me, personally, I will treat it as "at risk" regardless if you get BP pills or not. And now that you mention it, i checked my pills, they only last me 10 days more. I so wanted to avoid going to the doctor...

Yoshichan · Mar 1, 2020

Yoshichan said:
Plz how am I supposed to scratch my ears and eyes?

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Airegin · Mar 1, 2020

xeecee said:
do you have anything better to do than fearmonger lol

People need to realize how risky it is to go to a general practitioner if they suspect coronavirus.

echoshifting · Mar 1, 2020

Yoshichan said:
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Just wash your hands before you touch your face.

Chikor · Mar 1, 2020

Yoshichan said:
Plz how am I supposed to scratch my ears and eyes?

Copper kills viruses on contact too, so you can dunk it in a bucket of diseased snot before if that's your thing.

Perzeval · Mar 1, 2020

Yoshichan said:
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Mendrox · Mar 1, 2020

Yoshichan said:
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use your knees

IggyChooChoo · Mar 1, 2020

Serious Sam said:
Mortality rate is still climbing and is nearing 4%. It's kinda messed up that most news broadcasts and sites still quoting outdated 2% number.

Can you elaborate on this? That WHO report did post a 3.7% rate, but with the caveat that that was falling due to improved treatment methods. My worry about mortality rate being understated is specifically in the context of our (US) system being swamped by a simultaneous outbreak everywhere — is that what you mean?

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