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Seductivpancakes

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From that link:

-The vast majority of those infected sooner or later develop symptoms. Cases of people in whom the virus has been detected and who do not have symptoms at that time are rare - and most of them fall ill in the next few days.
-The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.
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An examination of 44,672 infected people in China showed a fatality rate of 3.4%. Fatality is strongly influenced by age, pre-existing conditions, gender, and especially the response of the health care system.
-Pre-existing conditions: The fatality rate for those infected with pre-existing cardiovascular disease in China was 13.2%. It was 9.2% for those infected with high blood sugar levels (uncontrolled diabetes), 8.4% for high blood pressure, 8% for chronic respiratory diseases and 7.6% for cancer. Infected persons without a relevant previous illness died in 1.4% of cases.
-Gender: Women catch the disease just as often as men. But only 2.8% of Chinese women who were infected died from the disease, while 4.7% of the infected men died.
-Age: The younger you are, the less likely you are to be infected and the less likely you are to fall seriously ill if you do get infected
Very helpful.

Thanks.
 

SirMossyBloke

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12 new cases in the uk, including one finally hitting my region. Fully expect a run on local stores tomorrow so will have to go out of town near where I work just to buy a bunch of tinned goods and non perishables, during lunchtime. No I'm not going to stock pile. Not for a disease like this. Fridge and freezer almost full so it'll be porridge and the like.

Already informed close family, and shared the correct, accurate information with them, from nhs public health service and this thread. Been having my kids follow best practice hygiene each time the leave and enter the house asap. My mum basically fits almost each at risk group so will.keep a very close eye on her.

Kids and wife will go on holiday very soon, so I'll be left in the shit, heh.

Where in the UK? My parents are quite old now and my dad is already I'll with something unrelated. They live near Manchester.
 

DrewFu

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12 new cases in the uk, including one finally hitting my region. Fully expect a run on local stores tomorrow so will have to go out of town near where I work just to buy a bunch of tinned goods and non perishables, during lunchtime. No I'm not going to stock pile. Not for a disease like this. Fridge and freezer almost full so it'll be porridge and the like.

Already informed close family, and shared the correct, accurate information with them, from nhs public health service and this thread. Been having my kids follow best practice hygiene each time the leave and enter the house asap. My mum basically fits almost each at risk group so will.keep a very close eye on her.

Kids and wife will go on holiday very soon, so I'll be left in the shit, heh.
Where are they vacationing?
 

DrewFu

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How much of that is due to the extreme measures the Chinese government took? I see little evidence the U.S. or European countries will be doing the same.
There is also little evidence that the US/EU are anywhere close to needing to. China had to take such a measure because it completely exploded before they really did anything.
 

Rowsdower

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First confirmed case in Rhode Island:

www.wsj.com

Coronavirus Cases Mount as Second Person Dies in U.S.

New cases of the novel coronavirus reported Sunday, including the second death from the virus in the U.S., raised fears of a wider spread of the disease, prompting federal officials to ramp up efforts to test for and fight the growing health threat.

The Rhode Island patient, the 25th confirmed local case in the U.S., is a person in their 40s who had traveled to Italy in mid-February, the state health depart-ment said in a press release. Officials said they are working closely with the hospital where this person is being treated.

The family of the Rhode Island patient has been in self-quarantine since the person's symptoms and travel history made the person a candidate for monitoring for Covid-19, the state agency said. The person hadn't returned to work and extensive efforts are underway to reach anyone who the person did have contact with since returning to the U.S., it said. Any of those contacts will be monitored and directed to self-quarantine for 14 days as well."
 

Dany1899

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Daily update from Italy:
- 21127 tests
- 1577 people currently sick (798, at home; 639 hospitalized, not ICU; 140 in ICU) --> +528
- 34 deaths (+5)
- 83 recovered (+33)
Total (sick, dead, recovered) = 1694 positive cases
 
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Kyougar

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According to recent data from https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 we (as in, Gemany) are sitting at 100 confirmed, actual cases excluded the ones who are confirmed back to full health (about 20, so 1/5 of all cases).

With 83 million people in Germany and still 0 fatalities, I'd call it worrying in edge cases, but hardly "a hotspot nobody's talking about".

it's at 117. eight hours ago.

(And the map is seriously missing narrowing locations, it only shows 1 spot in Germany, while it is confirmed in half of the states.)
 

Calamari41

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It not like the U.S is doing much. And with the lack of testing it could already be exploding (probably is).

The US has its hands tied in a lot of ways that China doesn't. If the feds instituted an internal travel ban or quarantine, all it would take is a filed lawsuit from someone affected and a federal judge would halt the order until it made its way to the Supreme Court.
 

iamaustrian

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Wrong.

"Airborne transmission is generally thought to be the main way flu is transmitted in most populations," influenza expert and former director of the Influenza Specialist Group Dr Alan Hampson said.

The flu virus replicates in the cells that line our airway.

Mucus secretions containing the virus are released from our nose and mouth in the form of snot, saliva and airborne droplets."

The virus will make its "base of operation" in your respiratory track, be it your ear canals, throat, nose, which are all connected. It needs a moist environment to survive hence moisture from condensation due to warm air from inside your body meeting the colder air outside should be removed. It's the same reason you can get a runny nose from eating warm soup. Nothing to do with the body trying to help you at all, even an inanimate object produces condensation when temperatures differ enough, and even if it was your body producing the moisture to help it's irrelevant because viruses like the flu have evolved to survive and spread by successfully using their hosts to trigger mechanisms or use the immune systems' own reaction that will allow them to do so. Accumulation of moisture or water in your throat, nose, ear canals, are where the virus operates from.

The moisture is used as protective vessels to travel, and the virus causes you to sneeze to travel out of your body to infect others.

I'm not saying keep your nose dry like sandpaper, but when moisture forms to the point where you can feel it in your nose, do take the opportunity to dry it. Otherwise the virus gets in and eventually you'll swallow and it will make its way to the back of your throat.

tbh that's the first time I have ever heard of that theory.
 

Chikor

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The US has its hands tied in a lot of ways that China doesn't. If the feds instituted an internal travel ban or quarantine, all it would take is a filed lawsuit from someone affected and a federal judge would halt the order until it made its way to the Supreme Court.
The US government has almost unlimited power when it comes to national emergencies, and it had put its citizens under full curfew many many times, and the courts generally rejected legal challenges to that.

And it is most certainly within the power of the government to shut down trains, roads, airports, schools and places of business, which is the main thing China did.
 

Lishi

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The US has its hands tied in a lot of ways that China doesn't. If the feds instituted an internal travel ban or quarantine, all it would take is a filed lawsuit from someone affected and a federal judge would halt the order until it made its way to the Supreme Court.

They restricted in Italy, even if there are less "mah freedom" in Italy the US probably. (not that helped, as quite idiots evading control)
Pretty sure CDC have similar power.

Remember that you don't have to contain 100%, just contain enough to make thing manageable.
 

charmeleon

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The US has its hands tied in a lot of ways that China doesn't. If the feds instituted an internal travel ban or quarantine, all it would take is a filed lawsuit from someone affected and a federal judge would halt the order until it made its way to the Supreme Court.
The U.S has pretty broad powers in emergencies. People probably wouldn't put up with it as well here as China though, the goal should have been to be more proactive in testing and containing before it becomes widespread.
Other than testing far more (which is obvious), I'm curious what else you think the US should be doing, currently.
Well with the lack of testing its hard to really do much. China bought us like a month to prepare and we barely did anything with it besides fail at making our own test kits while other countries didn't. At the very least we should have been preparing with increased masks/PPE production.
Edit: Making testing free would probably be smart too.
 

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Where in the UK? My parents are quite old now and my dad is already I'll with something unrelated. They live near Manchester.

North west, more specifically the greater Manchester area.

The case here was NOT a community transmission though, which is good news. Patient already in quarantine and NHs doing work to lock shit down. Likely will be a spike in cases, but should pass quickly.

Keep an eye on your parents though, yeah.

Where are they vacationing?

In Pakistan, hundreds of miles away from where the two cases are. Been following that country very closely, more then satisfied with the response so far. China is heavily involved in helping them too, being such a close ally.

She is visiting her parents after years, and after my second child was born, and saw my first as a baby, so unless the airline cancels the flight, they are going. Likely safer there then here, country is already warming up for the spring/summer period.

They have far, far less cases then we do, so far.


EDIT: We are all dual national citizens as well, have full up to date ID cards, so not much point in getting medical insurance too. *shrugs*
 
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I live in the epicentre in France.

My company has graciously let us work from home next week. So I will keep my kids at home with me. My partner though who is a teacher in college/high school has to go though.

We stocked up on food yesterday and are good if we have to isolate for a couple of weeks. Still, the situation is not scary, but the incompetance of the government and the fact that they are just thinking about the cost instead of implementing measures like closing schools is incredible.
I didn't think there was much spread in France, even at the epicentre?
 

Dany1899

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This is something that needs to be communicated far and wide, or else people will think we've gone from zero to hundreds overnight.
In today's press conference in Italy, they said that probably the first positive cases can be dated to early February, and that it is possible the virus started to circulated in the second half of January in Italy. Only in 21st February, then, the first positive case due to local transmission was found. I assume it could (and unfortunately will) be the same in other countries, included US.
 

Loudninja

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This is something that needs to be communicated far and wide, or else people will think we've gone from zero to hundreds overnight.
Trump dumbass is the one downplayed everything ,and gave people zero confidence in him handling it so because of him yes people will panic.Not to metion how shitty healthcare is here its going to be a shitshow.
 

DrewFu

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What an odd thing to defend.
I'm defending using basic logic and reasoning in this thread. People are panicking and misconstruing a photo of people praying as that being their solution to the virus.

Posting shit like that image, and making it out like it is something to be worried about is fear mongering.
 
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I don't think their answer in this case will be "Pray it Away", they've (so far) taken all of the actions that SMEs have asked. Pence didn't handle Indiana well at all but he was the deciding factor there, in this case it's Trump and Trump is not a man of god by any stretch lol.

It doesn't matter what actions any POTUS would take they would be taking some shots, namely the quarantine locations and procedures in CA that somehow POTUS was getting hit for.

I have reasonable belief that our government is doing everything they can to be prepared. They were never going to stop it short of guarding borders and halting all inbound flights way back in January.

I think the bigger concerns will be local and state governments and how they handle this. If we get a whole lot of Pence type decision makers or people who actually over react it'll spiral out of control quickly.

From what I gather so far, the CDC and localities are just trying to slow the spread down enough that it doesn't explode and become a huge issue for our healthcare centers all at once. They know it'll keep growing until later in the year.

I wouldn't base hope on "Trump is not a man of god".
 

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I'm sure the news will do a good job stressing that the huge uptick in new cases this week is due to more expanded testing and not necessarily larger spread right?
 

Shopolic

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They want to check all people house by house in Iran to find affected people. :|
This really scares me and I think it can make the situation even worse. Just imagine a person who visited 50 houses with probable corona, flu and... now wants to visit you. It can spread corona much more easily in my opinion.
 

IggyChooChoo

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Remember that you don't have to contain 100%, just contain enough to make thing manageable.
Absolutely this. Once you accept that containment of the virus is impossible, you move to mitigation, which is essentially slowing its spread so that the number of severely sick don't spike so badly as to overload the healthcare system by flooding the hospitals. Delaying the infection to reduce the spike is the goal.
 

Kyougar

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Only cumulative, meaning included all cases that recovered, which is not exactly a useful number in any regard. The current registered known number of existing cases on that site is 101.

It's really weird how very few pages and lists even take the recovery numbers into account at all.

because recovered cases are meaningless if:

- they don't make you immune from the virus
- there are still more new infections then recovered cases every day

you should use recovered cases when the virus is dying down, so that you can calm down your populace. if you overplay the recovered cases card too soon, it will only marginally look better than it is when the recovered to new cases is switching.
 

DrewFu

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Only cumulative, meaning included all cases that recovered, which is not exactly a useful number in any regard. The current registered known number of existing cases on that site is 101.

It's really weird how very few pages and lists even take the recovery numbers into account at all.
Yeah it's frustrating how little coverage there has been on recovered cases and the downward trend of total active cases. When all society ever hears about is total recorded cases and new cases, it makes it sound a lot worse.
 

charmeleon

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Yeah it's frustrating how little coverage there has been on recovered cases and the downward trend of total active cases. When all society ever hears about is total recorded cases and new cases, it makes it sound a lot worse.
The active case number doesn't mean much if no one is testing. Iran obviously has significantly more cases then are confirmed and then there is Indonesia that has 0 confirmed cases and has only tested 141 people.
 

dryz

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I mean you can't blame Europeans that they don't care about recovered cases in China when it is exploding all around them.