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One reason for that could be that Italy is not as thorough with testing as South Korea. So the number of cases in Italy might be higher than reported and the death rate might hopefully be lower. Also demographics might play a role: Italy has a much larger percentage of older people.
This is the thing. I agree that a more dangerous version of the flu would in essence kill its host faster and therefore be less likely to be as contagious however if you have something that's as contagious as this one it's not as simple as that. Also, certain drug classes working on a virus are definitely used as clues to indicate how it works because antiviral drugs work on mechanisms that are essential for either hiv proteases that mature viruses after release from host cells , rna integration or cell fusion of a viral dna to a cell. Ofcourse its not as black and white as that but what I mean is that it's always better to be over zealous about what this is rather than being timid and calling this another typical flu.
according to some people here, you are fearmongering, overreacting and should just calm down. You shouldn't buy out your local supermarket.
ONLY when the government tells you to panic, should you prepare, like the million other people who would do it at the same time.
Shaking my head at this downplaying.
Natural selection doesn't work like that. A 'successful' mutation is one which leads to more infections and thus more viruses being produced.
Viruses aren't trying to kill people, if anything killing the host is mostly a bad thing for a virus - a dead person probably isn't the best transmission vector.
The 'ultimate' virus is probably one which does no more harm than making you sneeze loads so you spread it everywhere. There's a reason the common cold is so successful.
So yes, a virus absolutely can mutate to be less dangerous - provided that mutation leads to more infections.
That's why SARS 2003 eventually disappeared. It was so violent, it never gave its hosts enough time to spread around.
The good news is the mortality rate is relatively low. We are lucky this isn't something with a higher rate. The bad news is this could have been minimized by a more proactive response in the US. It will also lead to things we haven't been exposed to since the great recession. It won't be nearly that bad, but we as a society (United States) are not equipped to deal with it.
The problem is your body will always see a virus as foreign and a virus will always mutate. Mutation is bad because we make drugs (and to some extent vaccines) that depend on a virus working a certain way most times. And people that keep bringing up sars dont mention that this virus is very similar to sars. Ideally you want something that doesn't mutate as much so you can eradicate it.
It's not just zero hours contract workers, I'm salary and have 10 days paid time off. That's it. No sick days. And I only have about 4 days saved up so far in PTO.
If I have to take more than a week off I'm losing money.
Honestly sounds like the synopsis for a RE game.
How can people be so selfish...
I'm self-employed. I don't get paid time off... if I'm sick, I don't earn. Spent a few weeks in hospital last year, and the rest of the year trying to catch back up.
DeBlasio needs to get more aggressive than.The Reddit user, which his story got posted earlier, got interviewed with a local ABC affiliate (via Skype, for obvious protection reasons), which he posted on his Reddit.
You can watch it here:
Why did CDC send NYC man home without testing for coronavirus?
One man has locked himself in his Brooklyn apartment, trying to get by with a hacking cough and a fever - and a real concern he is infected with the novel coronavirus.abc7ny.com
As noted, even though there is a chance he MIGHT not have it, they won't test for him for various dumb reasons. CDC reportedly contradicts a claim of denying (both from the hospital and the reddit user) any requests (if I understood correctly), saying they've not done so thus far.
User banned (1 day): Ignoring staff post with regard to misinformation
The mortality rate matches the 1918 flu.
I'm not saying mutations are a good thing.
I'm just countering misconception that 'mutations = more deadly'. That's not necessarily true.
With the sample size we're getting, these are probably reliable rates - how do these compare the ones we're getting from China?
"Just Incase" I suppose. I bought a pack of bottled water in case our water lines burst from the cold.
It's always better to be cautious and I think tap water isnt best for most people lol still, everyone here taking this as a joke when other countries shut down whole cities.
Idk. Company merged pto and sick/personal days together a few years ago before I got here.
If it gets to the point that the water supply isn't evenr running from lack of personal we might as well stuck up on Mad Max gear.
This is worldwide, just last page you had someone explaining why this was common in his country.
I actually had a scare a few days ago, went to the doctor to get checked out, turns out it's the flu. This is my first time getting the flu, I'm scared shitless of Corona now.
Yeah that sucks. Here in the UK if I had to stay home for 2 weeks I would still be paid in full and we don't have a quota of sick days.
Surely there should be leeway for people like yourself as it's special circumstances and employers should be made to ensure employees are not left out of pocket or forced to use vacation days.
Just to put this into perspective, if you're a relatively healthy individual you don't have much to worry about from coronavirus.
During the Harvey floods in Houston a couple years ago my company paid employees for 1 day. Some people couldn't work for weeks. Idk what happened to them. Hope they had enough vacation days to burn.
Spanish flu had a 2.5% death rate.
This has 2%. And a higher incidence of death the older and worse off your respiratory system is.
In America, much of the working population doesn't even have any sick days or any vacation days at all. If you take-off work you are unpaid. This includes the vast majority of the food service industry, where calling off is HIGHLY discouraged, and you are expected to work when you are sick, while making $20,000 a year.
The Spanish flu hat a mortality rate of 10%
I saw a twitter thread yesterday that explained how the 2% that is often thrown around is a misconception
If it was 2% with 50 million dead, there would have been more infected as the entire world population at the time
Yeah I am relatively healthy. I'll be honest I'm more worried for others than myself. My mom is in her late 50's and my dad in his late 60's. I dunno this flu has whooped my ass for 4 days now and the cough that's now starting up hurts big time. Can't imagine people who are older having to deal with that aspect.
Concerned about the food supply issue places are getting because of panic, living on an island where we're pretty much entirely dependant on outside sources to feed our population. No doubt if it hits here people are going to panic buy and overwork the system.
American society has a lot of problems. That's why something like this could be devastating in this country.
So why would someone self isolate if that feel well enough to work? Yes they should do but if one can't afford too then they are going to work.
A virus does not have a purpose. It does not want to become more or less deadly. It just mutates and if that mutation happen spread, it... well it just spreads. It's evolution.
If it mutates so that it's less deadly, less people and thus more living victims can spread the virus. Viruses like ebola, lassa and Marburg are so deadly, that it is very hard for them to spread, since they kill their hosts so easily. Less deadly viruses (e.g. herpes simplex, CMV or varicella) have a waaaay higher penetration into the general population, sometimes up to 80-90% of the Earth.
The Spanish flu was also around in a very different time. Think about the difference in basic sanitation/hygiene and also what our hospitals were capable of at the time. Not to mention that it broke out when countries were at war.
It was clearly a terrible disease and on a different level to corona but it it wouldn't be quite the same today.
I'm not going to say you are wrong, but I said relatively because I was thinking of SARS and Ebola mortality rates. That being said the mortality rate for this virus is probably TBD.
Are there really that few occupations that can work from home in this day and age?
Fair.
Though if we had something as deadly as Ebola and virulent as flu we'd be in trouble.
This also. There might be so many untested people with the virus because they are not2 having any Symptoms, that you counting becomes really difficult.
If we look at the Numbers in South Korea it ist probably more in Line
I dont understand your question tbh. My post is about how a lot of americans have to go to work even if they do not feel well enough to work.