There is no reason you can't use existing infrastructure for temporary hospitals.
School gyms and general sports arenas could easily be used for expanded hospital housing.
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There is no reason you can't use existing infrastructure for temporary hospitals.
School gyms and general sports arenas could easily be used for expanded hospital housing.
They didn't build a hospital, they built a temporary bedding facility. The Army Corp of Engineers could produce a similar feat tbh
China didn't build shit. It was a bunch of prefabbed boxes slapped together. The US or any major western nation would have no problem doing the exact same.
I guess WHO really likes China, not sure what else WHO has been doing really.
I think it's way too long and technical but yeah it has a lot of the main info and that info is prolly going to change.
It's really hard to convince someone to start taking actions when nothing is going on in your area. And with the long asymptomatic period you can get infected, recover, or pass it along without ever knowing.
For most people it doesn't become real until it hits the local news or they hear it from someone else. You could be that someone else 😸
Damn, should have done more resarch. I was under the impression that they help you not getting infected
I've just purchased some Carbomer 940 to make my own.
What's the current fomite estimates? Amazon has shipped me a package from an area near Milan due tomorrow, presumably over 24 hours is fine.
The difference is that if one of these Western nations you refer to builds a hospital, it will still be standing and functional in 20+ years.
What China built is impressive, but it is more akin to a FEMA field camp type facility than an actual hospital.
10/12 days would be the time just to get the authorization to build the hospital here and the logistic behind this is damn impressive, it was extremely fast, dont need to be petty
Sheesh these are the exact symptoms in had here in NYC a week ago. Fever for three days, no phlegm, and now a dry cough for the last few days. Went to the doc when I had the fever, negative for Influenza a/b. Not saying I think I have corona virus, just pointing out how difficult it will be to separate common colds/Flus from this bug.
It's not being petty. Any major western nation can quickly put together large prefabbed structures. To say that the west doesn't have the ability to do so is false. The US military routinely does so in the middle of nowhere, in war zones.
This brings to mind one of my favorite quotes from the criminally-underrated Transylvania 6-5000:
"My father was a great man...he dedicated his entire life to curing the common cold by injecting foreign viruses. And instead of being honored, they know him as the man who brought herpes to Sicily!"
I found this to be a useful summary on how Trump's coronavirus response has already been terrible, as well as how he's been undermining America's ability to respond to infectious disease for years. (Crossposted in PoliEra.)
www.vox.com
Trump’s flailing incompetence makes coronavirus even scarier
America’s pandemic response capabilities have been systematically dismantled.
www.vox.com
Confirmed case in Helsinki, Finland. A Finnish national who traveled from Milan has been confirmed to have COVID-19 a few hours ago. She's doing good according to the hospital, running a fever but other than that, she's doing okay for now.
Leveling the land and within the same timeframe?
From a CNN article:
"According to the Wuhan government, other facilities in the hospital include a medical technology building, a network computer room, a central supply warehouse and an ambulance decontamination room, among others."
I mean, I could build a lot of shit if I had workers at my disposal with no labor rights too.
any country can do prefabbed structures buildings, but its false to say that anyone can do that fast and what they did is not impressive
A case was confirmed today in Macedonia. The same week I decide to go home to see my family. Great. :)
With how terrible the health system is here, this will spread easily, as the person apparently used public transport a lot for several days while visiting family members.
With how terrible the health system is here, this will spread easily, as the person apparently used public transport a lot for several days while visiting family members.
I was just about to ask the same thing, especially dealing with international airports. Do masks even help?
Was on a plane on Monday from Sweden to Macedonia. Nobody was wearing masks.
Not many.I flew the first weekend in Feb and then last weekend, and very few people were wearing masks.
Haha good luck having the any country in the western hemisphere to slap some boxes together in a week or so. Are the capable? Yes. Is it really possible anywhere outside of China? very unlikely.
I flew from NJ to FL about 2 weeks ago and there were 2 people wearing masks.
Does anyone know of the expectations for coronavirus in in India? I'll be going there in two weeks and wanted to get an idea. Everything I was able to find pointed to no significant issues there but better to confirm even more as none of the stuff I saw mentioned a possible outlook.
Pre-fab buildings go up really fast no matter what country you're in. I was our internal project manager on a ~45k square foot Class 100 clean room we had built for us at one of our facilities, and it took about 3.5 work weeks including permitting (this was with an average of 3 workers on site at a time, working pretty casually), and the company we contracted with had a ton of concurrent jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if this one company was building out several hundred thousand square feet of pre-fab buildings in the region at the same time. What China did was force many different construction outfits to all work at the same time day and night on the same big project, while not having to worry about any permits or Western-level safety standards.
A Western company that builds pre-fabs could easily put a 600k square foot building up incredibly quickly if they had the materials and labor on hand and the government telling them not to worry about any kind of plan check.
I feel like people who haven't been involved with pre-fab construction really don't understand just how easily and quickly these projects go up.
I went from NY to FL and there were a few people wearing the little masks. Tops 2-3. This was about 3-4 weeks ago.
Went from EWR to SFO last week, maybe like 2 people wore a mask.
Again, this is not a question of are they capable? Because they clearly are. But in a real case scenario, no other country can do what China did. Just say do it and get it done. The Chinese government doesnt need any approvals, permits, checks, or anything.
This is not admirable, especially for a building that is going to hold thousands (tens of thousands?) of very sick people.
The Brazil case could get really bad if the person used subway or went to an Carnival crowd. Sao Paulo was PACKED and really crowded in the subways stations and the famous "bloquinhos" (crowds of thousands of people enjoying music in the middle of the street, it's really really packed and crowded)
The virus isn't airborne, it's only transmitted through contact / droplets. You aren't getting droplets through a circulated air system.
If you're within a couple of meters of someone with it you could obviously get droplets via them coughing though.
I grew up close to where he did, as a kid saw his mom shopping at the supermarket.
First case in Latam... The person infected was in the plane with up to 200 people...
I agree. I just hope they did the best job possible within that timeframe.
I agree. I just hope they did the best job possible within that timeframe.
One confirmed case in Helsinki (capital), Finland. Finnish woman who came back from Northern Italy last Sunday.
Source: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10897264
Source: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10897264
Tomorrow I return to university at the end, and an hour and half of public transports await me.. Maybe it is good, because at the end it was due to return sooner or later, but the state of alert is still on for the whole week. Hopefully few people will take public transports in these days..
its easier with pre-fab, my father, brother, uncle are achitects i have an idea of how long it takes to build stuff, but you are not counting project, transportation of the stuff, machinery, terrain work, hiring personel, buying and installing stuff, hiring people to work in the hospital, even if we ignore the bureaucracy time and the fact that the factory needs to be dedicated to this one project. I imagine you counted water and electricity work. All that is not easy, to the scale of a big hospital to build in 10 days. Sure US could do that if they dedicated themselves and made the preparations, but its still impressive.
German health minister just now warned germany is at the beginning of a epidemic outbreak and things changed in the last few hours. Pandemic plans are supposed to be set in motion soon because they don't know the path of infection of the infected today and yesterday.