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GrapeApes

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,492

Although racial identity is usually assumed to be unchanging, recent research shows otherwise. The role of politics in racial identification change has received little attention. Using panel data with waves around the last two presidential elections, this paper reveals survey evidence of race change and its strong relationship with vote switching patterns. Across several models and robust to various controls, switching from a non-Republican vote in 2012 to a 2016 Republican vote (i.e., non-Romney to Trump) significantly predicts nonwhite to white race change. Among nonwhites who did not vote Republican in 2012, switching to a Republican vote in 2016 increases the probability of adopting a white racial identity from a 0.03 baseline to 0.48 (1490% increase). The systematic relationship is not due to measurement error, does not appear for the 2008-2012 election period, and makes theoretical sense in light of 2016 campaign rhetoric and trends in political-social identity alignment.

The primary data we use comes from the Democracy Fund's Voter Study Group (VSG)
longitudinal dataset. The survey firm YouGov conducted this online panel containing survey interviews of the same 8,000 Americans in December 2011, November 2012, and December 2016, weighted to general population benchmarks. The VSG is the only known publicly-available panel dataset with (1) waves entirely before and after the 2016 election and (2) contemporaneous measures of vote and race around the last two elections, and thus provides the data best suited to testing the hypotheses. The independent variable, vote switching, draws on post-election measures of vote choice in 2012 and 2016. The dependent variable is change in racial identity from 2011 to 2016.
Race change in the direction of adopting a white identity in 2016 occurs largely among people who identified as "Other," "Mixed," "Hispanic," or "Native American" in 2011, while Blacks and Asians hardly alter their identities. This pattern of adopting a white identity is consistent with findings from racial fluidity literature.
Changes in racial identity and vote choice are correlated. Of the nonwhite voters who
switched from a non-Republican vote in 2012 to a Republican vote in 2016, 9.84% changed their reported race to white. Among nonwhite voters who did not switch their vote, only 4.23% changed their reported race to white. Changes in vote from non-Republican to Republican and changes in race from nonwhite to white are related beyond chance (χ2=6.37, df=1, p = 0.01). However, changes in vote from non-Democrat to Democrat and changes in race from white to nonwhite are not related (χ2=.46, df=1, p = 0.50).
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race-vote-change.pdf

 

NookSports

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,212
White Hispanics (of which I have a ton of family members), can be the among the worst with race issues.
 

Davidion

Charitable King
Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,085
Doesn't feel like news to everyone who's been calling this out for ages.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,698
To the non-surprise of black folks.

I've been saying all along that white racial identity was originally a political power play whose definition will shift due to convenience, and nothing more. So it makes total sense that "non-whites" who can pass and agree with conservative/fascist politics would go all in on that shit. After all, it's happened before.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,833
Texas
To the non-surprise of black folks.

I've been saying all along that white racial identity was originally a political power play whose definition will shift due to convenience, and nothing more. So it makes total sense that "non-whites" who can pass and agree with conservative/fascist politics would go all in on that shit. After all, it's happened before.
Notably Irish and Italians. Cubans in Florida too.
 

Shoeless

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,000
It makes sense. If you're not white, and you see white privilege, you want that. If you ingratiate yourself to white people and they eventually say, "Hey! You're one of the good ones!" which you interpret as, "You'd make a good white person and enjoy the benefits of our club!" then you start to wish and want that. At some point, especially if are obvious downsides to not being white, you'll make the switch and try to pass yourself off. If you live in a racist country, the easiest path to survival is to become a racist, or at least, try to blend in with them and no longer be a victim, but part of the horde.
 

Deleted member 43514

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May 16, 2018
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User Banned (1 Week): Inappropriate Commentary
No fucking shit

I knew a Jordanian of all people, she avoids her own (Muslim) family and she looks Greek with her natural red hair and light (not at all white, she can pass for Mediterranean) and she literally identifies as a atheist Greek now and votes for Trump. She is a living breathing Trumpist.

Even changed her name to make it "less Arabic". Her family disowned her. That's one of the worst insults over there. God help her if she becomes more of a public figure, I can't imagine what the fallout would be if her past comes to light. She well knows that to these people she is the same as a nigger, the same as ME.

I regret saving her life years ago from a suicide attempt. I truly consider it a mistake, knowing how much she changed, supporting the politics and racism of a madman and country that wants to put people like herself and myself to death but the British rifleman could have killed Hitler in 1917 but chose not to. I can't hold myself accountable to that. I couldn't have foreseen that. But had I known then would i know now, would I have saved her still? Should I have?
 

Parthenios

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
13,613
If I recall my time working with the 2010 Census correctly, the U.S. only recognizes white, black, asian, and indigenous Americans/Pacific Islanders as races (I think), but allows respondents to answer "other" and put whatever they want there. And legally, respondents are whatever race they identify as.

So it seems that switching from Obama -> Trump correlates with switching from "other" to "white" when asked? Am I reading this correctly?
 

Ctrl Alt Del

Banned
Jun 10, 2018
4,312
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
I regret saving her life years ago from a suicide attempt. I truly consider it a mistake, knowing how much she changed, supporting the politics and racism of a madman and country that wants to put people like herself and myself to death but the British rifleman could have killed Hitler in 1917 but chose not to. I can't hold myself accountable to that. I couldn't have foreseen that. But had I known then would i know now, would I have saved her still? Should I have?
I have nothing to do with you, but the odds of this woman becoming as bad as Hitler must be pretty low. You saved someone's life, don't regret it no matter how scummy they are.
 

Nephtes

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,550
I just... what?
How is this a thing?

Didn't we all decide with the Rachael Dolezal situation that you can't change racial identity?
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I had to change to mixed after years of being pressured by my white mother to identify as white on any forms that ask.

So it seems that switching from Obama -> Trump correlates with switching from "other" to "white" when asked? Am I reading this correctly?

Yes. Non-whites who can pass want to join in on the conservative white cunt party when it suits them.
 

TheOMan

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,121
No fucking shit

I knew a Jordanian of all people, she avoids her own (Muslim) family and she looks Greek with her natural red hair and light (not at all white, she can pass for Mediterranean) and she literally identifies as a atheist Greek now and votes for Trump. She is a living breathing Trumpist.

Even changed her name to make it "less Arabic". Her family disowned her. That's one of the worst insults over there. God help her if she becomes more of a public figure, I can't imagine what the fallout would be if her past comes to light. She well knows that to these people she is the same as a nigger, the same as ME.

I regret saving her life years ago from a suicide attempt. I truly consider it a mistake, knowing how much she changed, supporting the politics and racism of a madman and country that wants to put people like herself and myself to death but the British rifleman could have killed Hitler in 1917 but chose not to. I can't hold myself accountable to that. I couldn't have foreseen that. But had I known then would i know now, would I have saved her still? Should I have?

You did a good thing - she's the one who chose to do not so good things. That's not on you.
 

Lost Lemurian

Member
Nov 30, 2019
4,297
How is hispanic a race? The ethnic classification in the US is a mess.
I feel like a lot of Americans lump everyone from the Americas who isn't from Canada or the US into the same racial category, and likely refer to all of them as "Mexicans". Maybe excluding darker skinned people from the Caribbean, who would get classified as "African American".

The whole thing is a bunch of bullshit, based entirely on centuries-old prejudices, debunked eugenics theories, and general racism. There's no sound logic behind any of it.
 

Deleted member 19844

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Oct 28, 2017
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I regret saving her life years ago from a suicide attempt.
You regret saving her life? Eww...

On topic, this dynamic makes sense to me:

Trump and the national conversation around him results in deepening polarization where people need to choose whether they'll lean into one ideology or another - and with that comes the choice of whether to lean into or reject their own racial or ethnic identity.
 

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,401
People who flipped from 2012 to 2016? Guess they saw the writing on the wall and wanted to survive by any means necessary :?
 

Shoeless

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,000
People who flipped from 2012 to 2016? Guess they saw the writing on the wall and wanted to survive by any means necessary :?

That's probably a part of it too. If you think things are only going to get worse, and never get better, and you're not leaving the country, it seems like a sound survival strategy is to join the winners and stay safe that way.
 

Deleted member 721

User-requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
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latino/hispanic is not a race, there's natives, black, asians, mixed etc its like to say that north american or american is a race
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,698
How is this a thing?
It's always been a thing for white people. You can get accepted into the club for political convenience, or looking the part.

Didn't we all decide with the Rachael Dolezal situation that you can't change racial identity?
Black people had to inform white people that "transracialism" wasn't an actual scientific concept on par with being transgender, and that we didn't want to accept a white racist into the club, especially since black people by default will never be allowed to take advantage of whiteness.
 

krazen

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,155
Gentrified Brooklyn
Ta-Nehisi Coates nailed it in one of his interviews. Just like 'whiteness' had to assimilate the Irish and Italians, it will assimilate white passing latinos or even a certain class/color of asians to keep the white supremacy quo going since its a money making machine for those that benefit.

-Edit-

Pertinent: was having a convo with an Chinese coworker today about how her well off parents won't go to a chinatown restaurant because of the coronavirus. Because racism is insane, it defies all logic or reason. And if you're the chosen minority, why would you turn down the 'perks' of assimilating into the establishment?
 

Mumford

Member
Oct 25, 2017
81
I regret saving her life years ago from a suicide attempt. I truly consider it a mistake, knowing how much she changed, supporting the politics and racism of a madman and country that wants to put people like herself and myself to death but the British rifleman could have killed Hitler in 1917 but chose not to. I can't hold myself accountable to that. I couldn't have foreseen that. But had I known then would i know now, would I have saved her still? Should I have?
JFC man. I just want to say that while I don't empathize with the sentiment, I understand a small bit of where you're coming from. With that said, nobody is beyond hope for change. She clearly meant a lot to you at one point in your life, considering that saving someone from that kind of thing isn't exactly an easy nor convenient thing to do. I'd hope that you'd find it within yourself to be there for her moving forward as a voice of reason; you won't be able to change her mindset in a day, but seeing as she listened to you to not kill herself, you'd hopefully have enough personal clout to plant seeds into her head showing why her belief system is wrong, and what she can do to come back from that and try to make things right for herself. Even from here, it seems like there's a lot to do on that front, but I just want you to know from personal experience that it is not impossible, even though I'm sure that it seems like it is. Godspeed.
 

jeelybeans

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,948
Race traitors as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully they see the light but a lot of times they don't.

Reminds me of a gay asian I'm talking to right now who is a hardcore Republican, even post Trump.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,038
Well, sure, you voted for the guy who who ran on persecuting your race, ethnicity, and skin color. Of course you're going to adopt the identity of the people Trump is out to "protect from you."
 

Deleted member 12224

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Oct 27, 2017
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This isn't new, it's not a new theory, it's not a new phenomenon, it's not a new observation. Hell, nothing about it is new. It's how it's always been. Whiteness is a concept defined by what isn't white, not by what is.

Mandatory reading.

Cheryl Harris, Whiteness as Property, Harvard Law Review, 1993.
 

Hasseigaku

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,545
To the non-surprise of black folks.

I've been saying all along that white racial identity was originally a political power play whose definition will shift due to convenience, and nothing more. So it makes total sense that "non-whites" who can pass and agree with conservative/fascist politics would go all in on that shit. After all, it's happened before.

Yeah, it's pretty well documented to be the case.

The History of White People is a pretty good book on the topic.

Like, if you want to understand how slippery this shit is, look at this dude

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His father is Mexican, he can clearly pass as white, but tons of people of mixed ethnic heritage cannot and thus cannot "pass" in the same way. You could have white people up and down your family tree but if one of your parents isn't the possibly exists that you cannot "pass" and the way the world sees you changes in significant ways.

But then you have this lady, who had three generations of ancestors who were all classified as white.

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She was classified as black because she looked black despite being far whiter than people who can pass, like James Rodriguez pictured above.