Yea, their weird fake cooperative model. As a political leftist, I'm interested in that kind of structure, but it's a bit hollow as long as there's still a small circle of owners who have final say in allocation of profits.
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None of the basic improvements to the Epic Store slated for April were released [Update: June Updates missed as well]
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Yea, their weird fake cooperative model. As a political leftist, I'm interested in that kind of structure, but it's a bit hollow as long as there's still a small circle of owners who have final say in allocation of profits.
If you're always disappointing then can you really disappoint?🤔
Did steam kill somebody's family or something? The defence force for Epic for the sake of "sticking it to steam" have gotten way more culty than steam defence force ever was, jesus. It's nothing but moving goalposts at this point.
Why is people complaining about capitalism now and not before? There is no "good capitalism" as many here thinks.
It's quite known that HL2's crunch was brutal. So much that it completely burned out a bunch of devs at the time. Thankfully, that was an apparent wake-up call for them, as I've read that crunch isn't much of a thing there anymore. Of course they have a myriad of other problems, but underpaying and overworking their employees aren't them.
I went to the EGS store for the first time ever last week. I've decided not to support EPIC in this do have not bought a game from the service.
Holy shit maybe I'm spoiled by Steam, but the EGS is more barebones than I even thought possible. Here I was expecting a CART, any organization of games other than 1 big list on the front page, forums, reviews, etc etc
It's simply embarrassing and unforgivable the state their "store" is in today, made worse by the fact that in 3 months they have made nearly 0 improvements to it. I'll keep Steam and be happy with it.
Holy shit maybe I'm spoiled by Steam, but the EGS is more barebones than I even thought possible. Here I was expecting a CART, any organization of games other than 1 big list on the front page, forums, reviews, etc etc
It's simply embarrassing and unforgivable the state their "store" is in today, made worse by the fact that in 3 months they have made nearly 0 improvements to it. I'll keep Steam and be happy with it.
It's so damn pernicious. That's why I won't even install it to get the free games. If it's a question of publishers absolutely refusing to accept the 30% take anymore, I'd rather pay for Steam than be locked into EGS. Hell, if it would get EA and Activision to abandon their shitty apps and go back on Steam, it would be worth it.
There is a well-known lack of it. They are famous for their aversion to "crunch" since they closed the development of HL2.
Which should be a great thing, if not because coming from Valve it may just serve jokes about how they don't get anything done.
I wish GoG Galaxy 2.0 wasn't still in beta, you can integrate the EGS stuff directly into GoG and it has a playtime counter! It also looks pretty. I cannot wait for the full release with more official integrations, never going back to individual clients if I don't have to.
Has Epic every even talked about adding cloud saves and achievements to games?
I haven't noticed a single update or improvement to the store in months. It baffles me that Epic would throw around so much money, yet put almost nothing into the development of its storefront.
I haven't noticed a single update or improvement to the store in months. It baffles me that Epic would throw around so much money, yet put almost nothing into the development of its storefront.
What do you expect from a store that's basically zero upside and has a bunch of downsides of varying severity?
Imagine what the reaction would be to PS5 launching without achievements, cloud saves, party invites, voice chat, streaming integration, or even a gamepad-accessible UI. But major AAA games are exclusive to it.
They're not exactly wrong though. Ignoring all the stuff about exclusives buying and crunch, the platform is bad and doesn't seem to be improving.
And with good, legitimate reasons that have been covered countless times.
Not really. It seems to be mostly people upset that Epic is getting exclusive games. I don't understand this console wars mentality; if Borderlands 3 is only available on EGS and you want to play the game, just buy it on EGS. I don't see the problem. It's not like you have to spend money on a new console.
They're... upset the games are exclusive because it doesn't offer many of the features that are found on the Steam platform that assist with many quality of life aspects of playing the game: Such as arbitrary controller support, which is a huge thing for me. While I do use DS4Windows, Steam offers honestly (in my opinion) better support than it for the games that are available on its said platform than having to use an external program to make use of it. Plus there's plenty of other controller support, including handling legacy DirectInput support and converting it to work like Xinput for modern games.
Plus there's a huge community support, feed back, steam overlay so you can quickly browse and search while playing the game...
And there's plenty more from that too.
That's why people are upset about exclusives. Plus, there's also the fact these deals targeted Kickstarters where guaranteed platforms were already offered to backers (usually made upfront at the start of the campaign, or made clearer as the game is set closer to release, with platforms offered in surveys). Sometimes right before release, too.
I suspect you'll soon discover why the forums here appear to be so anti-EGS.
I'll wait for Steam or not buy at all. Thanks for the advice tho.
In the modern era, digital PC platforms are actually quite like consoles with their own feature sets and unique advantages. If we take Steam for example there are countless features I use all the time that aren't available on EGS: cloud saves, screenshot library, Big Picture, Steam Link, etc. Obviously I prefer to play my games on a platform that has more quality of life features and will make purchasing decisions with that in mind.
There is also the whole monopoly concerns with EGS if they win this exclusivity war and are able to set any price they want, no reason for sales, etc.
This is just scratching the surface, search the forum for "just another launcher" for more info. But for the most part the problems revolve around lack of features and reduction in consumer choice.
Literally in a thread about epic failing TO do LITERALLY FUCKING ANYTHING AT ALL
"Ololol, ppl only hate epic cuz console wars"
Fuck off
Idc if i get banned for this, I'm tired of this bullshit
"Ololol, ppl only hate epic cuz console wars"
Fuck off
Idc if i get banned for this, I'm tired of this bullshit
I'm already upset about publisher-exclusive PC stores like Origin, Uplay, Battle.net, etc for similar reasons. They make PC gaming worse. EGS is extending that already bad trend even further.
Buy, never question anything. Be a good, obediant walking wallet. Accept everything.
That's why people pay online paywalls today. I'm sure you do.
I get all that, but EGS will build those features out eventually. They might not exist today, sure, but Steam didn't have all those features when they first started either. Give them some time and EGS will build all those features in eventually.
I just don't see a world where EGS existing as another valid and popular platform won't benefit consumers. EGS and Steam will compete for customers and sales, resulting in lower prices and more choice. If we need to put up with a year of EGS having fewer features than Steam, then so be it. I think the long term benefits outweight the short term growing pains.
There are some console exclusives coming to PC thanks to the EGS cut.
Downsides "aside", in my book that's a win.
Which digital distribution industry standard features was Steam missing at launch?
When will Epic be implementing these features?
How is paying to get games removed from Steam helping Epic to improve their platform, rather than just removing alternative options?
they literally will not build those features. and they're way behind on the extremely basic features they've said they would build (which is the point of this thread).
EGS has become a joke that goes on for to long. They need to take some of that exclusivity monies and invest it instead into the storefront. At this point it looks like Borderlands 3, a major GaaS game, will launch without achievements, cloud saves, party support, etc.
The Randy Pitchford tweets will be glorious.
The Randy Pitchford tweets will be glorious.
I'm not so sure. For instance Tetris Effect was clearly meant to release on Steam too before Epic bought exclusivity.
Its just another launcher - check
Competition is good - check
EGS is new, it will get better - check
Steam was bad in 2004 - check
The savings will trickle down to customers - check
Competition is good - check
EGS is new, it will get better - check
Steam was bad in 2004 - check
The savings will trickle down to customers - check
The best I can do for these people is assume they don't play games on PC.
Remember kids, if you mislabel any and all criticism as hate you too can feel all snuggly in your superior self righteousness.
comparing epic now to steam like, a solid decade ago is some hardcore goalpost moving. Am i supposed to wait until sweeney decides to kick more than a pittance in funding to the storefront development team in 2025 or something?
christ.
You mean:
Journey - a game that was announced together with Flower, with also launched in Steam
The 3 Quantum Dream games - where the PR guy from Epic said they had nothing to do with them coming to PC, as well as containing forks for configuration for the Steam Controller
Tetris Effect - where you need to download Steam to use SteamVR, instead of using OpenVR ( which is practically the same, just needing to clean it up), pointing towards it being a late change.
Yeah, they "brought" them to PC.
What games are those? The Quantic Dreams games that were already coming to PC?
Definitely gonna check that out, I signed up for the beta but no invite yet :(
Steam didn't have those features because no one else did. They were pioneers. Epic arrived 15-16 years after Steam, so they need features expected today, not in 2003.
Plus Epic have shown no willingness to match Steam on features, or they'd be charging a higher store cut. They are, and always will, operate on a shoestring budget because their client is basically a downloader.
And exclusives don't drive prices down. They do the opposite as there's nowhere else to buy the games.
If Epic wanted to compete with Steam they'd provide a better service or a unique selling point that delights end users. Paying for exclusives just feels like they're trying to buy their way into a market where they haven't earned any trust or respect from the customer.
In fact, as far as competition goes, the only guys on PC giving Valve any legitimate competition is GOG. They've realised that the only way to beat Steam, or at least take a chunk off its large market share, is to challenge its ubiquity as a game launcher. That means they need to provide quality service.
Epic are going completely the wrong way about it, and generating a ton of a negativity in the process.
Not a single one so far.
...Well played.
You understand you're a fanboy and are part of the problem, yes? You're literally ignoring all of the other posts, even ones between yours, that explain what the problem actually is and continue to try to hammer a point no one else is bringing up. All of this in a thread where people are pointing out promises made by this store that they haven't lived up to one iota that is literally making the gaming space on a platform worse by existing.
I'm all for all points being expressed, but this kind of situation just makes one tired. ><
Let's not forget that Epic straight out publicly stated they have no interest in competing with Steam in terms of feature set.
But oh yeah, let's just wait until they get their shit together with bizarre, exotic features like a shopping cart and goddamned cloud saves.
But oh yeah, let's just wait until they get their shit together with bizarre, exotic features like a shopping cart and goddamned cloud saves.