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Nintendo took down a Smash stage containing trans flag and suspended the player that posted it because it was considered a "political statement"
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Acknowledgement isn't sexual or political or whatever. It's literally just recognizing that a group of people exist and deserve respect. That's it. It's hard for some people to get, but education is important
I think it's time they moved into the 21st century and fully embraced equality. So many young people are influenced by them, they would be such a valuable asset and AFAIK they are the only of the big 3 not heavily pushing support.
The outrage of some people here seems a bit silly as there seems many comparable stages out there.
With it seems thousands of stages uploaded every hour there can something like this happen easily.
Blaming the stage moderation when they are working so effectively and sorting bad and hate stuff out very fast is a bit whiny.
With it seems thousands of stages uploaded every hour there can something like this happen easily.
Blaming the stage moderation when they are working so effectively and sorting bad and hate stuff out very fast is a bit whiny.
I agree, but Japanese society in general is conservative. Hopefully the new generations will shape more progressive views and replace the old.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Excusing racism. Account still in junior phase.
There are no racists stereotypes in Smash. It's all blown up because of reasons.
Some people really get engaged about nothing
For what it's worth, the Splatoon & ARMS teams are making strides towards a more progressive Nintendo.
Nintendo should absolutely issue a statement saying that LGBQT rights are not political and walk back this ban, and apologize to the creator. I really doubt this ban is reflective of some mandate from Nintendo, and I'm guessing that there is so much bad stuff being posted to the stage creator that they are banning anything that receives a lot of reports.
Maybe, but at the same time it hasn't really been a good year for trans gamers. Between the cyberpunk twitter stuff, and the THQ company doing an AMA on a hate site, a lot of companies are showing how little they care. It's also not like Nintendo has really done much to show they have any position on LGBTQ+ issues. They seem kind of like Disney, they want to maintain a "family friendly" brand, which means never really speaking out for queer representation or support. I know I seem overly cynical, and I am sure the moderation team is trying their best, this is just a bad look for the company right now to me.
It ultimately depends on how big the outrage is. That's how most of these companies react.
I think it's silly that people are acting like saying "fuck Nintendo" equals a massive amount of outrage as if they never heard the word before. No one is organizing a protest here. We'll have to wait and see what they say either way, but the "outrage" here really isn't as big as some making it out to be.
Wouldn't be surprised if there were more posts from people coming in to make generalized complaints about era, than angry people.
"Only if the bad thing doesn't directly affect me. Because if it does then it's a legitimate problem Otherwise, baseless outrage!"
If these people really didn't care they can just ignore this thread and not post in it...but we all know why they are.
Perhaps a cultural problem. If I say "fuck something" I really mean it. But for other people it seems like a term they use for everything, even minor stuff.
If Nintendo took down every stage with this symbol I would say "fuck them", but this is not even remotely the case. And in other games Nintendo like Splatoon Nintendo took down hate message quickly and never cared about gay or trans stuff.
This outrage is so outrageous that the outrage makes me outrage! What an outrage!
If that's the case, then probably. Not sure where you're from, but I've never taken it as anything all that serious. People say it all the time in real life, tv, etc. Growing up in Philly as a kid, I even remember hearing people saying it endearingly to each other. In the wrong place, it could get your ass kicked lol. Of course this varies from social circle to social circle, but based on what I've witnessed in American culture, it can range all over.
In general, something I've noticed with outrage is that everyone complains about others being outraged, but it's rarely as bad as some make it out to be. It really feels like more people came to complain about outraged posters than there are actual outraged posters. Maybe some of those posters from the first page changed their minds based on further information? Maybe they're just sick of constantly defending themselves in all aspects of their lives and watching their rights eroded away? We should all be a bit more mindful in that regard. I say this as someone who is fine with just waiting and seeing, mind you.
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I'm trans and I'm appalled by this. If this isn't reserved, I'm going to personally boycott Smash.
Embarrassing decision from Nintendo. Doing nothing will only hurt their reputation.
The statement "trans rights" is not a political statement. It's a reminder that trans people are still subject to instances of dehumanization (most recently the trans military ban, which forced trans people to "switch back", among other shitty things, to stay employed). Giving everyone rights (like the ability to pick a name) is a basic interpersonal expectation, not some political stance. But some shitty people in power won't even give trans people that bit of freedom.
The moderator that punished the player is transphobic and needs to be fired ASAP.
The statement "trans rights" is not a political statement. It's a reminder that trans people are still subject to instances of dehumanization (most recently the trans military ban, which forced trans people to "switch back", among other shitty things, to stay employed). Giving everyone rights (like the ability to pick a name) is a basic interpersonal expectation, not some political stance. But some shitty people in power won't even give trans people that bit of freedom.
The moderator that punished the player is transphobic and needs to be fired ASAP.
Threads that jump to conclusions despite strong evidence to suggest otherwise are pretty annoying too.
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What outrage? The biggest reasons threads like these -- calling out what would otherwise be fairly minor sins with, admittedly, potentially troubling implications -- get so many replies so fast is all the people clicking their tongues, rolling their eyes, and saying "yeah, so what", because those are indicative of very troubling social dynamics on the forum and need to be addressed.
Judging from the user's trend of condescending, dismissive and "lol resetera" posts, I'm gonna go with "sarcasm, and in pretty bad faith too".
So according to Nintendo, Trans rights are as bad as the Holocaust.
Is this a case of Nintendo being transphobic or people (trolls) reporting one particular stage a bunch of times to get it flagged?
If there are still trans themed stages then I'm guessing it was trolling.
People here should be embarrassed for not even asking these questions.
Why make such a ridiculous false equivalency?
If there are still trans themed stages then I'm guessing it was trolling.
People here should be embarrassed for not even asking these questions.
Why make such a ridiculous false equivalency?
Oh fuck off with this. That's not true at all and you're just adding fuel to the fire with your shit post.
I'm surprised at the amount of people not reading or understanding the topic and just going off the title, including my fellow queer peeps. Come on, Jesus. This was clearly shit heads reporting the stage and a mod either not understanding or mistakingly make a decision. Tons of lgbt stages remain and this goes against Nintendo's typical stance with lgbt rights and their viewpoint.
I just think it's odd how apparently having lots of stages that feature trans flags is not example or reason to praise Nintendo, but having 1 singular situation wrongly banned is a reason for people to say fuck Nintendo.
I think Nintendo should come out and make a statement. Silence only encourages the trolls doing what they are doing.
look, just jump into my DMs with slurs if you want to be a disgusting transphobic shitposter, OK
Ditto any of the people going on rants about "outrage culture" or whatever. We get it, you want to be transphobic but don't want to be seen as being transphobic.
I would argue the vast majority of politics consists of those in power denying people basic human rights.
I don't think saying it's not political is accurate or productive. The focus should be on not encouraging hateful ideas (one of which being that trans people cannot express themselves).
I think its more the sentiment that people stating their right to exist shouldn't be a political opinion, nor should it be considered such. The fact trans people exist isn't a fact that is up for debate. Hence the 'its not a political statement' comments.
Because it shouldn't be, trans people SHOULD have rights, and its messed up that this is the situation we're in.
I get the sentiment but we don't know how high up in the company this opinion is held. Could have been one bad cog in the system who banned the stage.
As far as I know Nintendo isn't a bigoted company and will likely rectify this given enough attention.
I dunno, the fact that a majority vote can even determine a trans person's right to express themselves bothers me. Such freedom shouldn't be something that is up to debate, it should be something that is granted by default. Trans people should have control over how they should be treated, not some actors in a political system. Yes, granting trans rights is a political decision, but trans people would avoid the political system altogether if they had the choice.
The problem is the default mindset in society is to be skeptical of, or even hate and marginalize, trans people. Throughout history political revolutions have come because a certain group is subjugated by society at large, changing the minds of people and laws of government. We are in the middle of one right now for trans people. Transphobia, like all systematic oppression, is deeply woven into our society, our religions, our media, our laws, all facets of life.
To exist as a trans person, especially proudly, is a powerful, radical statement in a world deeply set against them. Is that unfair? Sure, but it's only because of directly confronting the problem head on, rather than ignoring it and hoping it goes away, did people ever change the world for the better. I think it's good to be aware of that.
If we want that freedom for trans people, we have to make it a reality through our own actions. The governments of the world will never grant freedoms willingly.
As little of a shit as many "gamers" give about LGBT issues I'm more than happy with being wrong here and there when it comes to decrying possible homophobia. The more eyes on issues like this the better.
Apologies for my shitpost, should've read more of the thread but I did read the OP and it doesn't excuse the "political" line used by Nintendo at all.
Might want to read my post again.