Seriously, I've been basically playing NES/SNES games, and indie Switch games on it.
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Add me to this camp as well. I just can't do sub-720p, sub-30 FPS anymore. I learned my lesson with the Vita, though thankfully custom firmware allowed overclocking that made many games playable again. I never expected the Switch to be even worse in this regard.
At this point, I'm hoping performance will be better through backwards compatibility. Otherwise I'll have to buy an old Switch I can homebrew and dump games on for emulation (which would be a bigger pain).
I can cope, but it shows that the Switch's hardware is fraying at the edges at nearly 5 years (and that's just natural to see some limitations at almost a 'normal' lifecycle), and the seams are going to start to break.
Personally though I think the lack of docked features at least in the OLED version is a good sign. Nintendo could have easily just made a 4K output on this OLED model and maybe even enabled HDR for developers if they wanted to implement it, because it's supported by the chipset natively if I remember correctly.
But they didn't. That's makes me think Nintendo do indeed have a "Switch 4K model" in the works. Otherwise they'd have easily slapped on a 4K output option on the OLED model.
Any games in particular? Because I know at least three that run locked 60 at 720, personally. :P
Can't speak for op but I know age of calamity runs abysmally on handheld. It's horribly blurry 540p with horrible FPS drops. I don't usually care about graphics or frame rate so you know it's bad when someone like me complains.
I think there's more to the question of why does it run like that. After all, the Switch is a fixed performance target, and the game was only made for that platform. It's not like Turok where we initially ported the game for PC only without ever thinking about mobile or console hardware at the time causing a frankly drastic demand on CPU performance (and even then we still got 60 FPS out of it on the Switch, 90% of the time).
It's easy to just blame the hardware, however it is mobile hardware and it's designed to be affordable and power efficient, I don't think that's the only thing you should be looking at when it comes to these kinds of drastic performance issues.
I'd say the Zelda games are clearly the worst offenders, from the games I've played. BOTW and Link's Awakening framerates are all over the place, which is a damn shame.
Agree, next year (Switch will be around 5.5 years old than) seems late for iterative upgrade, most sense has just to release Switch in 2023.
Thanks for all the replies to my post about the light sensor spot!
It'll be interesting if Auto Brightness works better with that new sensor location. I never had much success with it on the OG Switch and always had it disabled - maybe that was what drove them to completely remove it from the Lite?
Auto Brightness is probably fairly essential with the OLED tech now, of course. Anecdotally, it's my impression that smart devices with OLED tend to auto-manage screen brightness much more aggressively (I guess for the self-explanatory reason of insane energy burn on brighter colours)
Right! Completely missed the back view schematic on the official page.
A vibrant 7-inch OLED screen with vivid colours
With Nintendo Switch – OLED Model, enjoy your favourite games anytime, anywhere, featuring a vibrant 7-inch OLED screen with vivid colours.www.nintendo.co.uk
If you scroll to the bottom and view the Back view, it says it's the brightness sensor. They probably had to move it since the bezel is thinner.
It'll be interesting if Auto Brightness works better with that new sensor location. I never had much success with it on the OG Switch and always had it disabled - maybe that was what drove them to completely remove it from the Lite?
Auto Brightness is probably fairly essential with the OLED tech now, of course. Anecdotally, it's my impression that smart devices with OLED tend to auto-manage screen brightness much more aggressively (I guess for the self-explanatory reason of insane energy burn on brighter colours)
Any word of the OLED screen is glass or plastic? Will OLED prevent heating issues that leads to the Switch bending and warping?
I don't understand why people keep using Hyrule Warrior as a benchmark for games performance on Switch. It's a musou games, you know what you will get.
The Verge had a hands-on session yesterday. Unfortunately they weren't allowed to take pictures.
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Nintendo Switch OLED hands-on: a small upgrade that makes a big difference
It’s not a Switch Pro, but it is very nice.
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IGN and GameSpot posted hands-on as well.
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Nintendo Switch OLED Hands-On: It Isn't The Console's True Successor, And That's Just Fine
We got our first hands-on with the new Nintendo Switch OLED, and while it's not the next big thing, it left me impressed with how much it improved the console.
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Nintendo Switch OLED Hands-on: We Compared It to the Original - IGN
The latest Nintendo Switch model is a no-brainer for newcomers, but more nuanced as an upgrade.
Heh, came here to post something similar.
I'm excited for the bigger screen because I've always had a tuff time reading text on the Switch in portable mode.
Hope the 7" screen helps with this!
Those previews are great, but I am likely getting this knowing full well that I am possibly walking into an iPad 3 to iPad 4 situation. Basically, Apple launched the iPad 3 as their first-gen retina display, which I very excitedly purchase because the screen was amazing, but used a weak SoC that couldn't really support it; they then turned around 9 months later and released the the iPad 4, which had the upgraded chip necessary for it. All I am saying is that, if Nintendo turns around next year and slaps in the 4k chip, I should've known better.
It seems like we've hit the point where it's hard to get a bad OLED screen on most consumer electronics devices. As most folks have said, it's more a matter of if it's pentile or RGB subpixels, and how the brightness compares. A quick google search says the current Switch is only around 300 nits brightness, however, so it shouldn't be hard for an OLED to be brighter.
Update: it definitely doesn't. I measured both my Switch and the space in the controller grip and the latter is only about 1-1.5mm wider. The OLED Switch is 3mm wider. Shame.
Same. It's bad that I have to use my hacked switch to get good frame rates out of the Zelda games.
Can you list them? I'd love to check them out.
there's not gonna be a teardown of a system that hasn't been released yet. (ignore the ps5 and xbox, as that was marketing)
That what I think now too
Switch - 2017
Lite/Mariko - fall 2019
OLED Switch - fall 2021
"Super Switch" - fall 2023 w/Mario Kart 9 as launch title (cross-gen game that is 4K/60 fps on new model, will work on old Switch models though).
Maybe they'll sneak in a quietly released OLED Switch Mini somewhere in there (2022 or 2024).
Happy to hear the screen is really nice.
Can there be a "screen lottery" with different panels like with the past versions or because it's OLED, will they all be the same quality???
Can there be a "screen lottery" with different panels like with the past versions or because it's OLED, will they all be the same quality???
All 60 FPS: Rogue Company, Mario Kart 8, Mario Odyssey.
Lots of others that are native 720 and locked at 30 or 60
i think i'm gonna get this. i need to sell my launch switch and my switch lite beforehand though, otherwise i'm going to feel preeeeeeetty goofy for having three switches.
(says the person having every iteration of DS/3DS ever)
(says the person having every iteration of DS/3DS ever)
Rogue Company is impressive considering it's a UE4 game. but given it's also intended to be a competitive shooter, they are hella conservative on shader work to begin with
Splatoon 2 is also 60 fps with a solid res for the same reason. Splatoon 1 *tried* to be 60 fps but when multiple people used bomb rush at the same time the fps went straight to hell lmao
I understand that people are disappointed about not getting the powerful rumored 4k variant but at the same everyone acting as if AoC and XB2 are representative for every Switch game is a bit too much.
For me it's very tempting to get. Being a former PlayStation Vita I understand what OLED implies. Think it's reasonable to assume that an Switch Lite OLED Model will be a reality one day as well, so waiting is probably the best option.
Burnout Paradise is 720p60 in handheld with the remastered assets. It's fantastic.
I can see it now. Switch lite Oled releasing summer 2022 for $249.99
Good call
I have all those except Rogue Company. I might look at it though.
So is it normal that preorders are still up? I preordered mine days ago, but I see Media Markt still has the preorders open. Is there fewer demand than expected, does Nintendo manage to produce insane numbers or should I be worried they are selling more stock than they will receive? I got my PS5 via preorder from them, so I preordered the OLED with confidence.
The three models of Switch will be sold and co-exist together, at least for 2021.
Lite, Standard, OLED.
From what we can tell, Nintendo haven't changed anything internally. It's just the screen and better speakers. Everything else seems exactly the same.
Demand will be limited because there is no benefit when connected to a TV.
Slightly longer is 0.5 inches or 1.27cm. So not much longer at all.
The new dock will only be available from Nintendo directly.
Doubt it. That's not the appeal of the switch. A docked switch is just a glorified Wii U.