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Nintendo started blocking videos that show emulation of Switch on Steam Deck
- Thread starter dex3108
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I think some of you are being purposefully obtuse.
Emulation has always been a grey area for a lot of reasons and console makers and owners of IP may have issues with emulation of their games being promoted. It's not rocket science.
Emulation has always been a grey area for a lot of reasons and console makers and owners of IP may have issues with emulation of their games being promoted. It's not rocket science.
As long as you are purchasing a Switch and the games and dumping them yourself to keep just for yourself and not sharing or reselling the games or broadcasting to the world that you are emulating Nintendo games on non Nintendo hardware, I am sure they won't have a problem with it
Pretty much.
I mean Switch games are the bread and butter of Nintendo as a company - ofc Sony or MS wont be as affected by PS3 or OG Xbox stuff lol.
But you knew that. I think Sony would look at it different if HFW and and GT7 would be able to run on similar hardware at launch.
Nintendo also removed his Dolphin video.
EDIT: I would also add that Microsoft still offers OG Xbox games, and if the rumors about Spartacus are true, Sony is getting into it.
I didn't mean my comments to be a gotcha, I really did mean "we will see".
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Collateral damage at this point, once you wake up sleeping dogs would be my guess. Pretty much proving that the point is about using Nintendo IPs and games to showcase the emulation, not the emulation itself.
I mean hate it or love it, but if your business is about selling certain kind of content and hardware, you are gonna sideye other avenues that promote other hardware using your IPs and content.
Don't know why would anyone use Nintendo games to show emulation of a Nintendo device on a device they didn't create at this point. It takes half a second of thought to know what's gonna happen. Nintendo should and will go after videos that they feel threaten sales considering the r4 and such.
Lol this exact channel has a video up running God of War PS3 on the Deck. There's a ton of videos of the Series X emulating PlayStation games.
Plus Sony games like Uncharted, Horizon, GOW etc. will run natively on Deck anyway, and every single Xbox game
Their games are already on Deck so why would they
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Talking about the games Sony are actually selling now - PS4/PS5 games not OG PS One games. As in Horizon FW and GT7, not Gof of War on PS2 or Wipeout on PSX.
The internet is full of youtube videos regarding emulation of classic Nintendo systems, why are people acting as if Nintendo is or has been taking all these guides down ?
I would think so, yes.
They literally took down his Dolphin video.
There's tons of vids on Youtube showing Nintendo's Switch games being emulated. No idea why they targeted this channel.
Well current Sony games already work on Steam Deck, so it wouldn't matter either way in their case. Same with Microsoft (who also still sells classic OG/360 games).
Also this.
any publisher can take down any video of any of their games. All of streaming, youtube guides, lets plays, etc exist only because they've decided they don't want to take them down, but its a house of cards and has no legal protection if publishers ever change their mind or switch strategies.
User banned (3 days): accusations of astroturfing
Holy shit at the corporate bootlickers in this thread.
Emulation is LEGAL. And it is fair use to showcase the games running on the deck in this way. This aren't playthroughs.
Man, does nintendo shine its boots with cherry flavored polish? How does it taste?
Emulation is LEGAL. And it is fair use to showcase the games running on the deck in this way. This aren't playthroughs.
Man, does nintendo shine its boots with cherry flavored polish? How does it taste?
Yeah streaming games exists because they are okay with it existing. No court in the land would find it fair use to just play a game while talking over it. Something that is an actual review or critique using more limited clips and offering real critical commentary is a bit more of a gray area and might survive a challenge but that's not the case with 99.9% of these videos.
Emulation is legal but Youtube doesn't need to host any videos it doesn't want to as a private sector company and just showing an extended clip of the game running is a far cry from fair use as defined by any court. Making the video not showing Nintendo published games and it might have better success.
Let's plays and guides might fall outside of fair use, but performance reviews with short clips of the game are definitely fair use.
Thats old ass games. I'm talking about current games from their current platforms.
Nintendo is also taking videos from old platforms, like the Dolphin ones.
It's DMCA abuse but I don't think people generally care here. DMCA doesn't punish overreach and corporate entities are very ready to push it to the limits. Instructional/Educational videos absolutely fall within fair use.
Whats interesting is how often "Japan doesn't have fair use laws" comes up and Youtube have previously shown the ability to do localized takedowns specific to particular regions, but that never manifests in these situations, so that justification goes out the window.
Well, I wouldn't say into oblivion:
Steam Search
store.steampowered.com
But yeah they were not having it.
Current Bleem! isn't same as Bleem! from 1990's.
Microsoft and Sony both instead sell legit games for Steam Deck.
Nintendo should totally do the same.
They ran quite bad on the SD though, but it should improve down the line.
Also i dont know if freaking out is the right way to describe what happened here lol.
Maybe you should take a look through their channel and see that they have emulation videos for other platforms still up.
Actually, do a quick Youtube search for Switch emulation and see the PLETHORA of videos on it. It's in the thousands. They targeted this channel and the Deck.
I'd be curious to see the video done with shaders pre-loaded (or with Vulkan). The performance issues looked to be shader stutter related for the most part.
For sure - the emulation developers are gonna update and improve around the Deck. Just saying that initial footage looked worse than what we have seen on other portable PCs like the AyaNeo.
That's not entirely relevant in the UK, as the art and music assets that compromise a game also gain separate protection by copyright and the prohibition on private copies also applies there.
The actual code of the game mechanics could be considered software (for which UK law permits a single backup copy but you cannot use both that and the original at the same time) but not the entire, working title. And most importantly, you cannot break a content protection mechanism in order to make the copy under UK law without the written permission of the Secretary of State for Culture. Which you do not have as they have never granted one. So there is no way to "back up" Switch software from the cart under UK law legally.
I can't blame them. I'm not a fan of emulation in general personally, but doing it with current gen systems is simply encouraging piracy. Yes, there will be some people who own the games and just want another means to play them, but the overwhelming majority will just be stealing them. Don't encourage it.
While YouTube can do that localised takedown in theory it requires manual back end intervention by YouTube support. Rights holders are not offered take down limited to a territory (or territories), nor do YouTube offer video producers the facility to do so.
It must be said, most people are also just wrong about the limitations on Fair Use in the US which is much more ambiguous and uncertain think it is.
I just think its funny seeing the change in reactions compared to the news about Metroid Dread being emulated
This also reminds me of a discussion i had with another guy who claimed that "with SteamDeck there is no reason to buy a Switch anymore" not even caring that emulation sites tell you point blank that you need the console to do this legally
This also reminds me of a discussion i had with another guy who claimed that "with SteamDeck there is no reason to buy a Switch anymore" not even caring that emulation sites tell you point blank that you need the console to do this legally
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Funny how some people move the goalposts, first it was you can pirate old games that aren't being sold by the publisher but now its you can pirate all of them?
Funny because it's pathetic but also shitty how YouTube will just do whatever a big enough company asks of them however flimsy the reasoning is.
What percentage of Switch owners would purchase a Steam Deck, let alone emulate Nintendo games on it? 0.05%?
Different people have different opinions on piracy.
I still just think buy when you can, but publishers shouldn't be surprised if people look for other ways to play if they don't make their old games available.
I'm also in the "emulation and piracy discussions are separate and we should probably stop this conversation here" camp, because seriously, not every emulation thread needs to go into nonsense rambling about piracy.
Yeah, after the eshop announcement the amount of videos exploded
Only if they are worth multi-billion dollars.
So: https://companiesmarketcap.com/video-games/largest-video-game-companies-by-market-cap/
- Paradox are worth $2.16Bn, so that's a multiple of a Billion, so that's fine.
- Team 17 are not fine as they are only worth $1.17Bn.
Paradox, Sega Sammy, CD Projekt, Capcom, Square, Ubisoft, Konami, Embracer, Bandai Namco, Take 2, Nexon, EA, Nintendo, Activision Blizzard, Sony, Tencent and Microsoft are ALL FAIR GAME!
