Neat. But I think my skepticism regarding comfort does not need to be controversial or contradicted - just a musing.I had hours of fun with these as a kid
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Nintendo Labo VR Kit announced (launching 4/12, starter kit $40)
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I guess it's not considered actual VR because it's not immersive, and cannot be used for indefinite periods of time. The box says the VR modes are 7+, with the normal modes and assembly at 6+ with supervision.
I think that the primary angle here is distancing from the escapist nature of virtual reality. It reduces exclusive playtime, removes some of the "shut-out" aspect of 'true VR', and makes it so that the experience is easy to share around. Plus all games are playable without the VR mode (or at least some - the box implies that, as does the initial reveal trailer), and making the 'headset' less permanently bound to the play experience makes it easier to translate it to TV.
Nintendo couldn't do it otherwise because the Switch itself has an heavy body and that would hurt the neck after long sessions. Every other VR kit needs to be held by hands as you can see. Probably when a new lighter model will come in the future, maybe with a 1080p screen, they can do a proper affordable VR experience.
I agree, I think all parents should be made of the long term damage to the future of VR if they are even considering buying this for there children to play with. After all the future of VR is the most important thing that we all face at the moment and a frivolous cardboard toy for children could ruin it for us all!
don't expect anything, this isn't a platform for vr games other than the 5 that will be included, unless there's some update to mario kart or something allowing you to use it in 1 or 2 nintendo games.
that's where most of the anger is coming from. some people are acting like this is nintendo's answer to psvr or occulus which is completely absurd. it's like if i was expecting nes mini or ps classic to comete with actual game consoles. makes 0 sense.
yeah i think we all agree that in all this, the sanctity of VR and the importance of its future and the role it will play in humanity is the most important thing, thus we shouldn't let anyone get close to an abomination like labo VR that will forever tarnish the image of VR for all eternity.
...chile please
probably not. i think (specially since they're marketing it to very young kids) nintendo wouldn't want to encourage using VR for long periods of time, and allowing it for youtube is asking for trouble.
Did I say it's wrong? you keep repeating that it's a toy for kids below 12 so what kind responses you expect on a gaming forum?
then what exactly did you mean by "A lot of people here seem to be excited for a toy then..."?
oh, i didn't know that. i still don't think they'll allow for labo VR functionality outside of the intended games, unless it's some small mode in a few nintendo games.
Why would a kid want this when they can just buy an actual bazooka?a weapon to surpass metal gear
i don't know, perhaps we should wait and see. my guess is the games here won't have head tracking or fast motions and would use mostly static camera views, so they won't cause nausea or motion sickness.
tHiS Is gOiNg tO KiLl vRa weapon to surpass metal gear
Ok, first off, the Switch isn't a phone. At the very least, no matter what VR application is being used, it'll be tailor fit to run at a locked 60fps (still yuck, but better than most every mobile phone VR solutions that feature wildly varying framerates).
Second, it's not going to look pretty. At all. 720p resolution being blown up to fill your FOV is about Oculus 1 levels of image quality, so likely to avoid making people sick, expect cruder rendering (simple shaded polygons, simpler lighting, harder edges, and some AA).
Also, I wouldn't expect anything more than 3 degrees of freedom. So, you'll be rotating in place, but nothing more. Can still be cool for shooting gallery type things, or software with aiming reticule you control with your head.
Side note: I hope that this gets used in a strap-on kind of way so that we can use the controllers in game. They won't be tracked, but the will have rotation in place, so even if they're fixed position in 3D space, you'll still be able to aim with them.
No, the opposite. In order to prevent motion sickness, your head rotation will need to be tracked (via built in gyros). Your physical position in 3D space will likely be locked, so this means unless the game in question is going to also simulate a cockpit or something static as a reference point, you're probably not going to be in a game world that has you moving around much if at all.
If by "head tracking" you mean 6 degrees of movement (as in, you can literally walk around within the game) then yes, you're right. Unless there is inside-out tracking on this thing (lol, no there isn't), your experiences are going to be rudimentary. But, it doesn't mean they can't be fun or even immersive.
Second, it's not going to look pretty. At all. 720p resolution being blown up to fill your FOV is about Oculus 1 levels of image quality, so likely to avoid making people sick, expect cruder rendering (simple shaded polygons, simpler lighting, harder edges, and some AA).
Also, I wouldn't expect anything more than 3 degrees of freedom. So, you'll be rotating in place, but nothing more. Can still be cool for shooting gallery type things, or software with aiming reticule you control with your head.
Side note: I hope that this gets used in a strap-on kind of way so that we can use the controllers in game. They won't be tracked, but the will have rotation in place, so even if they're fixed position in 3D space, you'll still be able to aim with them.
No, the opposite. In order to prevent motion sickness, your head rotation will need to be tracked (via built in gyros). Your physical position in 3D space will likely be locked, so this means unless the game in question is going to also simulate a cockpit or something static as a reference point, you're probably not going to be in a game world that has you moving around much if at all.
If by "head tracking" you mean 6 degrees of movement (as in, you can literally walk around within the game) then yes, you're right. Unless there is inside-out tracking on this thing (lol, no there isn't), your experiences are going to be rudimentary. But, it doesn't mean they can't be fun or even immersive.
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something tells me the games aren't designed around you having to pretend you're an elephant or a bird for more than a few minutes.
i'm not reaching for anything. it's obvious you're trying to be negative here, and were aiming to shame people into admitting they're excited for a "toy", as if that's something to be ashamed of. it obviously backfired.
Well, I'm hopeful that YouTube at least brings it's Google Cardboard-compatible videos to the Switch app.
They've been great on PS4, releasing a patch for it to run on PSVR, and recently releasing another patch that allows for 360º video viewing without VR glasses.
EDIT: Well, I'll be damned, the Switch app already supports 360 videos, according to this Google FAQ: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9176176?hl=en
why would anyone want to buy a stupid kid wearing a cardboard elephant face when for the price of a cinema ticket you can see an actual elephant with Dumbo™ soon in theaters
Looking at the last Yoshi trailer and how they introduced the Labo vehicle, I think the game will be Labo VR compatible (probably with the canon to throw eggs).
Bazookas are too heavy for kids to properly aim and I've seen many kids get frustrated by the fact they seen to only be able to aim at the ground directly in front of them. This seems like a good solution to me, though I have to imagine the ammunition you can use with this will likely be to weak to impress some older children.
It is very silly seeing the backlash here, it's like everyone has forgotten how hard it was watching your big brother play with his bazooka in the backyard and being told you had to grow up before you could handle a high powered explosive of your own.
i don't see anyone arguing that this is going to sell gangbusters. this may outsell the first kit (which sold 1 million) which would be decent result. you're just making up arguments to disagree with, no one's saying this is going to be labo's big break into being a 20 million seller hit.
Nah. The only thing it'll suck at is visual fidelity. I promise you anything this'll have software experiences and performance consistency far exceeding what we've been getting with mobile phones using cardboard.
Not every child lives in the USA.
Most countries have these pesky regulations on weapons meant purely for warfare.
Almost every single post of yours in this thread has had a negative tone, no one is reaching here.
I think this will live or die on what it brings in terms of experience's , after all that is what VR is. It takes you to am imaginary place that makes you feel your there and not just watching.
Imagine playing duck hunt, Mario, and of course a Zelda world where your the actual person. The money breaker for me will be if this has made VR accessible to people that suffer from motion sickness and also is it legal for under 12s now, as PSVR and other forms are not!
If so how?
Imagine playing duck hunt, Mario, and of course a Zelda world where your the actual person. The money breaker for me will be if this has made VR accessible to people that suffer from motion sickness and also is it legal for under 12s now, as PSVR and other forms are not!
If so how?
Emily was excited about this when she was talking about the then unannounced next Labo kit so given that I think this will be worth considering this time..
Yeah let's focus on that and not the fact that he said that I was ready to shame people here.
I must say thank you so much to the guy that leaked this info, and could you give us any other details of what the software is like it will come with?
True, those view masters are no doubt responsible for my complete lack of caring about the shape of future VR and instead just wanting people to have fun
i didn't say you were ready to shame people
i said you attempted to shame people
Compatibility with Yoshi would be neat, but if we don't get a Duck Hunt eShop title or a VR mode in Metroid Prime Trilogy HD that makes use of the blaster (as it's the one Toy-Con that everyone will have if they buy the starter kit) the idea of adding VR compatibility to first-party titles would be meaningless.
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I'd rather buy my nephews this than let their filthy disease spreading fingers anywhere near my precious Vive setup!
I had hours of fun with these as a kid
I had the Talking ViewMaster with Thriller. It was bad-ass.
Vaguely looking forward to seeing the games that come with this. The vehicle kit one was actually rather good.
I can see this being very useful to throw around in Labo threads.
There is no way that this won't look like total shit. The resolution is just way too low to offer a good experience.
I'm glad this is a Labo Kit and not a "serious" VR solution, with that screen and all it'd have been horrible and wouldn't have helped VR at all. But this will probably be some fun and short VR games/experiences with some Nintendo secret sauce added to it.
Not for me, but at least Nintendo isn't entirely omitting VR, the day Nintendo goes all in will be glorious! I remember when people were clamoring that PSVR would suck and would be detrimental to VR as a whole...good times!
Not for me, but at least Nintendo isn't entirely omitting VR, the day Nintendo goes all in will be glorious! I remember when people were clamoring that PSVR would suck and would be detrimental to VR as a whole...good times!
Wait. Waiwaiwaiwait.why would anyone want to buy a stupid kid wearing a cardboard elephant face when for the price of a cinema ticket you can see an actual elephant with Dumbo™ soon in theaters
That's a tracking pattern on the 'face' of the 'elephant'. With the camera joycon facing it.
That's almost 100% a virtual art program. Two-stage tracking of action point position relative to camera, with angle tracking of fixed-length arm segments, and relative distance and orientation via tracking pattern in camera view.
The precision of the 6DOF tracking of the head itself doesn't matter much in this case, all that matters is that the action point is as 1:1 as possible to the viewpoint.
Sure, it's likely nowhere near Tilt Brush (mostly because the action point is fixed, you can't rotate your wrist), but it could definitely be something.