I want Daisy to get her own games so badly. I want to explore her story and character. I hope when she gets her own games, she is heavily tanned.
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Nintendo is slowly darkening Daisy skin tone back and I hope that it's deliberate.
- Thread starter The Adder
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Outside of maybe one or two teams that Nintendo, they really aren't.
Not every male character has to be paired with a "princess" love interest. They already have each other.
It'd kinda be a drag if Nintendo's PoC girl character was Wario's Girlfriend. Furthering japan's dark skin= evil meme.
I always thought that it was because daisies are normally portrayed as white flowers and peach blossoms actually have color in their petals.
I assume this is just too make her more easy to distinguish from peach in a different. Although, if Peach slowly became Hispanic, well, I guess that would be good. I think.
Wario's princess is money. And Waluigi's princess is Wario.
Lmao, sorry for my cynicism but... What color palette?
Oh, you mean their clothes? Carry on then.
Jokes aside, isn't Smash like the epithome of Nintendo's character policy? Sad but true.
Her varying skin tone never really bothered me since I never read her as a POC even back in the 64 days tbh. I still don't think that was Nintendo's intent with the character (though getting a POC in the Mario IP would be good.)
Great thread! Never would've noticed they changed the skin tone over all this years without it. On a sidenote: Just yesterday I've watched the new Mario Goly trailer and somehow noticed that all Nintendo characters lack diversity. All are white guys. Why is there no room for i.e. a black character. I mean come on Nintendo itself wants to make everyone smile, but yet doesn't have characters with whom not only white people can identify themselves. Kind of sad and something I've (sadly) never thought about before.
This. Her having skin that isn't ghost white doesn't make her a brown person. Wish people on this forum would realize this. Nintendo still has a long way to go before I'd consider them progressive, and Daisy isn't earning them any points.
I get the joke but there's enough variation in the skin tone of their white characters that I think the point stands. It's pretty weird that a company that seemingly cares strongly about consistent brand images doesn't care too strongly about the skin, so long as the ethnicity remains the same.
In fact, to your clothing point, I'm pretty sure Mario's red and blue has been very, very consistent for nearly two decades now, as well as Peach's pink - implying they do use some sort of standard there. They do seem to vary on how light Luigi and Yoshi's greens should be though.
I would love a Mario game that would completely shatter expectations design wise.
Perhaps it's just different engines and art design teams interpreting characters slightly differently? It's hard to imagine or even prefer a 1:1 replica of Mario and Peach every single time.
I terms of Wario (and Yoshi, whom I would like to have playable), there is a good reason to not offer him as a Mario alternative: Wario (and Yoshi) has a distinct moveset from his own platformers which is notably different from Mario. Wario's dash (or Yoshi's Flutter) would not necessarily fit into a Mario platformer.
They were able to make them work on Mario 64 DS, but I agree that Wario and Yoshi are better off being playable only on their respective series.
she's actually from an Egyptian/Polynesian/Chinese analogue of the mushroom kingdom
"Fun" fact: The only Asian people in the Mario universe are the Chinese zombies in Super Mario Land
Yeah, I'm with you. It's all just shades of white, so to speak. I think the difference in all the pics in the OP are too slight to remark on.
Honestly I always thought Nintendo gave her a tan in Tennis 64 because guangaro style was all the rage in Japan back when this game was being made.
Never saw her as an attempt of inclusivety for instance.
To me she is more like Stella from DQ9 (although the tan obsession was mostly over in Japan when 9 came out)
Never saw her as an attempt of inclusivety for instance.
To me she is more like Stella from DQ9 (although the tan obsession was mostly over in Japan when 9 came out)
Just want to say, daisies can be orange. The African variant is traditionally orange, as well as numerous other perennials under the category.
Is there anything special about it? I thought many Nintendo characters have had inconsistent appearance over the years and this was just an example among others.
It seems to me you are giving too much importance to details. On the screenshots you posted, most major changes aren't the skin color but other elements such as the outfit, hair and eyes.
It seems to me you are giving too much importance to details. On the screenshots you posted, most major changes aren't the skin color but other elements such as the outfit, hair and eyes.
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You better do 5 seconds of some god damn research on this site before you set fingers to keyboard to say some shit like that to me again.
I don't believe The Adder is white.
As for the topic at hand, one thing I always thought was strange was how inconsistent Daisy was between her N64-era promotional renders:
And how she usually appeared in-game:
I could post a render of Peach from Mario Party 3 for a point of comparison, but know that she is lighter in that render than Daisy is in hers, which makes the in-game appearances (at least in Mario Tennis) all the more stark. To their credit, it seemed like Mario Party 3 and Melee were getting there in keeping model/render consistency with Daisy's tan, but then Daisy wound up reverting back to her 1989 complexion.
As for the topic at hand, one thing I always thought was strange was how inconsistent Daisy was between her N64-era promotional renders:
And how she usually appeared in-game:
I could post a render of Peach from Mario Party 3 for a point of comparison, but know that she is lighter in that render than Daisy is in hers, which makes the in-game appearances (at least in Mario Tennis) all the more stark. To their credit, it seemed like Mario Party 3 and Melee were getting there in keeping model/render consistency with Daisy's tan, but then Daisy wound up reverting back to her 1989 complexion.
Sure she was intended as "white" but might as retcon it into brown.
Brown people have different shades of colours and depending on the season the skin might be "dark" or "pale".
It shouldn't be that hard to do this.
Brown people have different shades of colours and depending on the season the skin might be "dark" or "pale".
It shouldn't be that hard to do this.
Basically POC Mario characters are so rare that a white one getting a mild tan is seen as a victory for representation
Not really seeing it, photos posted in the op don't seem any more or less white in some versus others, except from the first one 30 years ago.
Co-signed. I don't really feel represented and, honestly, I don't even think it's needed. She's white and that's okay.
Daisy is quite clearly a white woman who sometimes has a tan.
We shouldn't be applauding Nintendo here.
We shouldn't be applauding Nintendo here.
It's from a series of purchasable stickers that was released circa 2017: https://www.mariowiki.com/LINE
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