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Ephonk

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,966
Belgium
For the record, I never said Splatoon was a bad or unpopular series, only that in my opinion it's not as big sales and budget wise as some of Nintendo's other franchises.
List of zelda games that sold less then Splatoon 2. It must not be a big Nintendo franchise.

Twilight Princess
Ocarina of Time N64
The Legend of Zelda
Ocarina of Time 3D
Phantom Hourglass
A Link to the Past
The Wind Waker
The Adventure of Link
A Link Between Worlds
Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages
Link's Awakening
Skyward Sword
Majora's Mask
Majora's Mask 3D
Spirit Tracks DS
A Link to the Past & Four Swords GBA
The Wind Waker HD
Link's Awakening DX
The Minish Cap GBA
Tri Force Heroes
Twilight Princess HD
Four Swords Adventures GCN

(hint: that's every Zelda except for BoTW)
 

slorelli

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,157
Ohio
List of zelda games that sold less then Splatoon 2. It must not be a big Nintendo franchise.

Twilight Princess
Ocarina of Time N64
The Legend of Zelda
Ocarina of Time 3D
Phantom Hourglass
A Link to the Past
The Wind Waker
The Adventure of Link
A Link Between Worlds
Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages
Link's Awakening
Skyward Sword
Majora's Mask
Majora's Mask 3D
Spirit Tracks DS
A Link to the Past & Four Swords GBA
The Wind Waker HD
Link's Awakening DX
The Minish Cap GBA
Tri Force Heroes
Twilight Princess HD
Four Swords Adventures GCN

(hint: that's every Zelda except for BoTW)
You are right. I am only speaking to the Switch era.
 

T.I (uh oh)

Member
Oct 29, 2017
353
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.
 

Xterrian

Member
Apr 20, 2018
2,826
Honestly for Mario Kart on the switch 2/Nintendo's next console, if they put out 8 deluxe, except with all the booster past courses added (and spiced up to look more like the base game tracks), it would STILL sell somehow.

Mario Kart 8 Ultra. 2024. $60 (cuz lol Nintendo). Still sells at least 10 million copies.

That's my out-there prediction.
 

Jintor

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,566
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.

I wonder if stuff like Ringfit, Switch Sports or even Mario Kart are enough for blue ocean gamers to just get it for That One Game and then it becomes that That One Game machine.
 

Lord Fanny

Member
Apr 25, 2020
26,025
Imagine stating an opinion, as a huge Nintendo fan and giving reasons and then being called delusional and/or a troll. I'll just go along with it then.

For the record, I never said Splatoon was a bad or unpopular series, only that in my opinion it's not as big sales and budget wise as some of Nintendo's other franchises.

What "opinion" lol. No one cares what your opinion is on sales, we have actual numbers. If it's just your personal "feeling" that Splatoon doesn't 'deserve' to be in that listing, then whatever, but you shit yourself by trying to attach it to sales and now you're running around with your britches full saying no one can point out the smell.
 
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Personablue

Personablue

Member
Feb 10, 2019
1,228
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.
I think for every us ( i also own 21games) ,there are millions of owners with just two games BOTW and Odyssey.
 

Leafshield

Member
Nov 22, 2019
2,934
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.
That's the attach rate for physical games only. I imagine that those other 2 owners mostly buy digital titles, or maybe picked it up for Ring Fit /Mario Kart and barely touch it otherwise.
 

FF Seraphim

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,825
Tokyo
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.

We are an enthusiasts gaming forum. Of course people here would have way more games. However, the average person may only have a Switch just for Nintendo main series games i.e. zelda mario kirby and so forth.
 
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Personablue

Personablue

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Feb 10, 2019
1,228
That's the attach rate for physical games only. I imagine that those other 2 owners mostly buy digital titles, or maybe picked it up for Ring Fit /Mario Kart and barely touch it otherwise.
That software LTD is for physical games + eshop versions of those physical games. Only digital only title like Hades etc are excluded
 

slorelli

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,157
Ohio
What "opinion" lol. No one cares what your opinion is on sales, we have actual numbers. If it's just your personal "feeling" that Splatoon doesn't 'deserve' to be in that listing, then whatever, but you shit yourself by trying to attach it to sales and now you're running around with your britches full saying no one can point out the smell.
I knew the sales, and they aren't BOTW MK8 Smash Animal Crossing level. That's the facts. Doesn't make the sales bad just not as good.
 

Renna Hazel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,712
I knew the sales, and they aren't BOTW MK8 Smash Animal Crossing level. That's the facts. Doesn't make the sales bad just not as good.
But again, you said this is the reason Nintendo isn't announcing big games. What big games do you think they have left for Switch? BotW 2 and Pokemon are announced. Splatoon is the next biggest thing. What are you expecting?
 

slorelli

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,157
Ohio
But again, you said this is the reason Nintendo isn't announcing big games. What big games do you think they have left for Switch? BotW 2 and Pokemon are announced. Splatoon is the next biggest thing. What are you expecting?
I think it's more of there being no need to announce anything that far in advance even if they have something to show or have a release date in mind. Everyone is up in arms about my splatoon comment, but remove it from the equation and what do you have? Mostly second tier titles that still have good sales potential but aren't the traditional anchor software titles.

I just feel after so long we would hear more about other titles, Zelda release dates, 3D Mario or other new experiments.
 

Renna Hazel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,712
I think it's more of there being no need to announce anything that far in advance even if they have something to show or have a release date in mind. Everyone is up in arms about my splatoon comment, but remove it from the equation and what do you have? Mostly second tier titles that still have good sales potential but aren't the traditional anchor software titles. I just feel after so long we hear more about other titles, Zelda release dates, 3D Mario or other new experiments.
We have Zelda BotW 2 and Pokemon. That's about as big as Nintendo is going to get unless you expect another Kart or Smash game on Switch.

They're not talking about Zelda because it's delayed

There is literally a Pokemon direct in a few hours. So they'll talk about that.
 

Lord Fanny

Member
Apr 25, 2020
26,025
I knew the sales, and they aren't BOTW MK8 Smash Animal Crossing level. That's the facts. Doesn't make the sales bad just not as good.

You started this by talking about them being carried by "smaller games." Splatoon is not a "smaller game," it's one of their biggest games, outside this specific qualifier you pulled out of nowhere (it's bigger than Zelda, but not Zelda in the "Switch era" lmao). That's pretty much the whole crux of what people are telling you, but you either can't let go of the fact you underestimated how big the series was or you're just yucking it up as a troll.
 

Lord Fanny

Member
Apr 25, 2020
26,025
Smash is one of their smaller IPs when you really think about it. Ultimate hasn't come close to Mario Kart in the "Switch Era" after all
 

Scruffy8642

Member
Jan 24, 2020
2,856
Pleasantly shocked that Mario Strikers sold that well, all talk about the game basically died within a few days and it's already as if it never existed, but those are pretty great sales.

Kirby doing very well, but not really selling excessively. Expected I suppose. Also interesting they say Star Allies basically sold 4mil.
 

Kouriozan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,234
This little console is impressive, hard to not see it reach 130M easily, after that it'll depend on when the successor will be announced.
And they still have a few cards to play like Tomodachi Life 2.
 

Bioshocker

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,205
Sweden
Switch must sell just 7 million consoles to overtake PS4.
I would have never thought of that after the wii u.

Who did. It's incredibly impressive. But with Nintendo you just never know. I read they're really thinking hard about how to approach their next console. After the Wii U they know how fast things can turn.
 

TanookiTom

Member
Oct 29, 2017
690
Berlin
I think it's more of there being no need to announce anything that far in advance even if they have something to show or have a release date in mind. Everyone is up in arms about my splatoon comment, but remove it from the equation and what do you have? Mostly second tier titles that still have good sales potential but aren't the traditional anchor software titles.

I just feel after so long we would hear more about other titles, Zelda release dates, 3D Mario or other new experiments.

By your own standards literally only a 3D Mario announcement or a release date for BotW 2 (which we know is supposed to come out in the first half of 2023) would qualify though and basically all other games Nintendo could potentially announce would be either a. "not heavy hitters" or b. new IPs with completely unknown sales potential.
If you consider heavy hitters to be games with sales potential as high as 3D Mario or Mario Kart you basically get these two games/franchises, so much for the "traditional anchor software titles".

But more on topic these sales are fantastic. I am happy that titles such as Kirby and Mario Strikers are doing well, because I for one do not want Nintendo to focus only on "heavy hitters" :D
 

Bioshocker

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,205
Sweden
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.

Many casual gamers buy Mario Kart, a Super Mario game, a game like Switch Sports and maybe some Lego titles. That's it.
 

xyla

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,429
Germany
This all looks pretty great!
Do we have any update on Dread?

I hope Nintendo will announce their plans for the platform this year before sales drop more steep - but I can't really see them doing it before the holidays so people on the fence won't stop and wait for better hardware.
 

Glio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
24,644
Spain
We are an enthusiasts gaming forum. Of course people here would have way more games. However, the average person may only have a Switch just for Nintendo main series games i.e. zelda mario kirby and so forth.
Here there are also a ton of people that only play Zelda 3D and Mario 3D and don't care about anything more, tbh. Some people just have tastes more restricted that others, nothing wrong about that.
 

Adventureracing

The Fallen
Nov 7, 2017
8,065
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.

I only own smash bros for my switch. Also there are a lot of people who own more than 1 switch which may skew things a little.
 
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Personablue

Personablue

Member
Feb 10, 2019
1,228
I have added tens of kids who visit the hospital I work for and you'd be surprised how many of them play nothing but F2P games like Fortnite and Minecraft.
True and for that i can just look at my little brother too who is 10 years younger to me, plays only PUBG and call of duty, at his age i was playing Persona 4/Fire emblem Radiant dawn/Zelda and all genres of games. He seems least interested
 

cowbanana

Member
Feb 2, 2018
13,963
a Socialist Utopia
I've done my part. We have 4 Switch consoles in the house (1x orig., 2x 2019, 1x OLED). And 48 physical games + a fuck ton of eShop games.

And I'm not even a Nintendo fan (I don't particularly like Mario, Link or several other Nintendo stables). Xenoblade is <3

The Switch is just a really good portable gaming device with lots of software.
 

Mr_F_Snowman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,936
I don't want to be rude but to say that a game like Splatoon 1 can be made by 15 people has to be either trolling or sheer ignorance.

From the first post in this thread it's obvious what he's trying to do. People need to learn to ignore the obvious trolling and not feed them the responses they crave
 

TheAvatar

Member
Nov 4, 2017
696
We have Zelda BotW 2 and Pokemon. That's about as big as Nintendo is going to get unless you expect another Kart or Smash game on Switch.

They're not talking about Zelda because it's delayed

There is literally a Pokemon direct in a few hours. So they'll talk about that.
I will say though their development for the titles he is talking about have absolutely slowed down compared to the past. Single player 2d/3D Mario games that don't include Mario maker(which I love but is way more of a Mario creator type game than a Mario single player game) we have had like no new releases for since 2017. Unless you count bowsers fury which is more of a dlc than anything.

That's pretty shocking for them, it's very much like the Nintendo 64 era level of 2d/3D super Mario releases which isn't a good thing. And Zelda has a really good remake since breath of the wild but no brand new games for Zelda since 2017 either. And we don't even have to talk about how long it is for Mario kart. Was it easier to develop for the 3ds and Wii u than the switch? Sure but I don't think anyone expected them to have this much trouble.
 

Glio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
24,644
Spain
i couldn't really find a definitive answer on this (though I always had the impression the core Splatoon team was relatively small) but it's always worth reading the Ask Iwata (RIP) on Splatoon again
You only have to watch the credits to see that they are more than 15. "Core team" is a term that when there is a lot of outsourcing don't give you the real number

Like, Sora Ltd. are just 2 people, Sakurai and her wife.
 

giapel

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,633
Goddamn. Every report I have the same amazement at MK8D literal eternal legs. Basically GTA level.

It's wild to think any company would announc a 2 year long additional DLC roadmap for a port of a 8 year old game, but looking at it sales it somehow makes perfect sense.
47M on an install base of 111M is only a 42% attach rate which is fairly disappointing.
In comparison the Wii U version sold 8.5M on an install base of 13.5M which make a much more impressive 63%
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Oct 27, 2017
6,302
Who are all these people who only have a couple of games? An attach rate of 7.77 doesn't seem that high.

I own 23 physical titles, and don't think that's overly excessive for a 5 year old console.

For every me, there are 2 other Switch owners who only have 1 game. That seems wild to me.

At the moment my families Switch is a Mario Kart and Ring Fit machine, and still I intend on picking up Switch Sports. Oh, and we've got a copy of Animal Crossing too.

I bet that's far closer to the majority of Switch owners than a collection of 23 games is. Not a knock on you or anyone else - I just think that's Nintendo's bread and butter.
 

BassForever

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
30,013
CT
Smash is one of their smaller IPs when you really think about it. Ultimate hasn't come close to Mario Kart in the "Switch Era" after all
When you think about it, in a certain light, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe hasn't even sold in the ballpark of games like Minecraft and GTA5, so I guess it's a fairly niche game and it's sales are pretty disappointing. Nintendoomed is back on the menu!

/s
 

julian

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,869
It really must be emphasized how fucking great Kirby and the Forgotten Land is.
 

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
14,770
1) Kirby is such a good game. I can't wait to go back and finish it post-Xenoblade.

2) Slowing hardware sales for the Switch makes me think all the smoke around a 2023 launch for the Drake is correct. (To be clear, these are still historically great results for Nintendo)
 

YasuYone

Member
Feb 17, 2021
376
List of zelda games that sold less then Splatoon 2. It must not be a big Nintendo franchise.

Twilight Princess
Ocarina of Time N64
The Legend of Zelda
Ocarina of Time 3D
Phantom Hourglass
A Link to the Past
The Wind Waker
The Adventure of Link
A Link Between Worlds
Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages
Link's Awakening
Skyward Sword
Majora's Mask
Majora's Mask 3D
Spirit Tracks DS
A Link to the Past & Four Swords GBA
The Wind Waker HD
Link's Awakening DX
The Minish Cap GBA
Tri Force Heroes
Twilight Princess HD
Four Swords Adventures GCN

(hint: that's every Zelda except for BoTW)
Daaaamn thankyou for the receipt!!!!
 

YasuYone

Member
Feb 17, 2021
376
Who did. It's incredibly impressive. But with Nintendo you just never know. I read they're really thinking hard about how to approach their next console. After the Wii U they know how fast things can turn.
As long as the console has the next Mainline Pokemon, I dont think Nintendo can produce another Wii U.