Nintendo doesn't plan on censoring video games, will only rely on 3rd-party rating boards

[Deleted member 10737]

But nintendo is also clearly not doing anything about this type of trash that is linked in the picture that began this discussion, which means they are not even trying to turn to change the regulation.
This purposeful ignorance to the gross content on their platform is far worse

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it's not their job. the same way it's not apple or spotify's job to screen the music that goes on their platform, or amazon to be ok with the content of the books they sell. as long as something isn't breaking the law, it's not up to the platform holder to put any extra step before allowing it.
and even sony, it's not like they're doing a good job if that's their goal. they're half-assedly asking devs to make some slight cosmetic changes. if they actually believed in the things you and other posters here are saying about those games not being ok, they would have just completely denied those games and de-platformed those devs/publishers. instead they still allow the games after some slight alterations.

 

[Reinhardt Schneider]

Sony has been doing the right thing recently keeping this trash off of the PS4. Its sad that Nintendo is abandoning its family friendly image that it has cultivated over the years.

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Nintendo has been on it since the mortal kombat controversy but their asses

 

[Deleted member 8593]

By telling developers to change their fucking games because its not acceptable

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But they aren't.
Those games are still on PS4.
You can still buy them on PSN.
The scenes are still in those games.
They just add a little bit of mist here, a few lens flares there, just enough to cover a bit of cleavage and skin while still keeping the games essentially the same.
It's not doing anything. Those games are still being made for PS4, they are still extremely sexualized in the worst ways, devs are just getting more slick with it.

 

[modiz]

it's not their job. the same way it's not apple or spotify's job to screen the music that goes on their platform, or amazon to be ok with the content of the books they sell. as long as something isn't breaking the law, it's not up to the platform holder to put any extra step before allowing it.
and even sony, it's not like they're doing a good job if that's their goal. they're half-assedly asking devs to make some slight cosmetic changes. if they actually believed in the things you and other posters here are saying about those games not being ok, they would have just completely denied those games and de-platformed those devs/publishers. instead they still allow the games after some slight alterations.

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You are right, sony should absolutely deny all this trash, and same as nintendo.
But saying "it isnt their problem" is totally dismissive of the content that they are allowing on their platform. At least sony are showing they are conscious of the issue, nintendo isnt.

 

[Deleted member 16876]

Sony has been doing the right thing recently keeping this trash off of the PS4. Its sad that Nintendo is abandoning its family friendly image that it has cultivated over the years.

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Agreed.

Most if not all the games they pushed to censor were basically child porn so I am happy with what they are doing.

 

[Deleted member 10737]

Didn't Nintendo of America censor stuff from Fire Emblem somewhat recently? Its not like they don't self censor.

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self-censoring your own content isn't the same as censoring other companies' games and asking them to make changes.

 

[Toumari]

it's not their job

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That's not the greatest of arguments. Extreme example, but that's like saying a random person on the street should ignore someone being raped and keep walking as "it's not their job" as they aren't law enforcement. There's no harm in companies pointing out fucked up shit and censoring it in the interim until actual law catches up and dictates that they should be removing/censoring it anyway.

EDIT: My issue is 100% with the loli/child nudity stuff. The DMC5 situation obviously was a bit extreme seeing how she's an adult, but apparently they patched her ass back in anyway?

 

[Deleted member 10737]

So you are okay with nintendo letting games with naked children in a bath on their platform? Dont you feel any sort of disgust towards this kind of content?

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regardless of my answer (which is no, i'm not ok with it and i won't support games with that content), it definitely won't change just because a company decided to force a dev to put some smoke over the scene.
if you're not ok with nintendo's stance, you shouldn't be ok with sony's as well.

 

[Dyle]

That's what they're there for. I think it's fine to take a hands-off approach as long as you provide good tools for users to avoid that content if needed. The eshop should get better filtering options, currently I think the only way to do it is through the Parental Controls app but that only lets you filter by ESRB rating and it would be nice to have more options in addition to that and natively supported without the need for a mobile app

 

[NoKisum]

Lol, you're right, I guess not
I mean, I'm sure there are things that don't even fit in an AO rating right? I just think the loli stuff should be one of them

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Tell the ESRB to add something like "Loli Content" (I'm sure someone can come up with a better tag) to the ratings descriptors on the box.

 

[Tarot Deck]

Good guy Nintendo

Censorship is always bad.

 

[L Thammy]

What are the objective rules? Is it like, you pull out your censorometer and go "oh, this game has 180 censoritrons, that's 150 over the limits defined in the Geneva Convention"?

 

[Deleted member 135]

I'd be 120% happy if these kinds of games are banned completely from coming to the PSN and eShop rather than just censored.

 

[Deleted member 10737]

Personally while I think Nintendo is free to do what they want when it comes to this topic, all instances of where Sony "censored" a game felt justified.

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even this?

https://www.dualshockers.com/devil-may-cry-5-ps4-censorship-united-states/

But they aren't.
Those games are still on PS4.
You can still buy them on PSN.
The scenes are still in those games.
They just add a little bit of mist here, a few lens flares there, just enough to cover a bit of cleavage and skin while still keeping the games essentially the same.
It's not doing anything. Those games are still being made for PS4, they are still extremely sexualized in the worst ways, devs are just getting more slick with it.

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exactly.

 

[Shinku_King]

Thank you Nintendo for keeping the same energy, I ain't trying to have some bloody game with shirtless dudes being ok but anime tits is a no go, god bless Nintendo.

 

[Buzzard]

It's funny that when Nintendo was the one censoring, it was "out of touch" and "anti 3rd party". Now that Sony is the one doing the censoring it's cool and Nintendo is a POS for allowing such content, when there are parental controls and content rating agencies available.

 

[tenderbrew]

Quick reminder of the type of 'content' you are supporting if you are happy with this stance:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ed-ps4-version-censored.110987/#post-19751954

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Nice try.

 

[kpaadet]

I remember when people wanted Sony to curate their platform better because they allowed bad games such as that Black Tiger game, but when they censor loli games, it's suddenly "get your hands off my games!". Good times.

 

[L Thammy]

It's funny that when Nintendo was the one censoring, it was "out of touch" and "anti 3rd party". Now that Sony is the one doing the censoring it's cool and Nintendo is a POS for allowing such content, when there are parental controls and content rating agencies available.

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I think that has more to do with the fact that Mortal Kombat wasn't known for its lolis.

 

[Deleted member 10737]

It's funny that when Nintendo was the one censoring, it was "out of touch" and "anti 3rd party". Now that Sony is the one doing the censoring it's cool and Nintendo is a POS for allowing such content, when there are parental controls and content rating agencies available.

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that is indeed a new stance. i don't remember reading a lot of negative stuff about sony when these kind of games were rampant on psp and vita. back then people just blamed the devs and publishers of those games, i don't remember seeing many people blaming sony for giving those games a platform. but now that sony has taken a stance suddenly there's a narrative being pushed that it's the responsibility of the platform holder, which sony is doing but others are not and should be called out for.

 

[Buzzard]

I think that has more to do with the fact that Mortal Kombat wasn't known for its lolis.

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Again, parental controls are available to you. Back then you didn't.

And as an adult you can choose not to consume those games.

 

[Toumari]

Nice try.

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Thanks.

 

[Ridley327]

I think the issue with the content of the pedo-baiting games and why it's able to pass scrutiny for ratings boards to get rated (albeit with generally strong ones) is that despite the obvious pandering and positioning that happens in them, the lack of any actual nudity or sexually explicit content (as in actual sex scenes, even of a softcore variety) makes it hard to go all in on discouraging publishers and developers from submitting those games in the first place. Arguably, those companies know where that line is (and it's hard not to, given how crazy restrictive CERO is compared to the ESRB, even at the harshest rating they can dole out) and push it as much as they can get away with it for as often as they're able to, but at the same time, I think knowing what the upper boundaries are keeps those companies somewhat "honest" and is able to prevent outright mortifying content from manifesting itself on consoles and handhelds.

 

[QuiteSomething]

Do we have a full list of censored games?
Only one thing that wasnt a loli trash was DMCV, where it was Capcom probably trying to be more careful

 

[janusff]

And as an adult you can choose not to consume those games.

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These stances are so lame. Might as well put whatever the fuck on the store cause I can "chose not to consume it"

 

[RPGam3r]

Sony's approach reminds me of Walmart censoring albums back in the day (do they still do this... do they still sell CDs?). I didn't like that approach then and I don't care for it now.

 

[Qikz]

I think there's an interesting discussion to have about bathing scenes (as they were bought up in this thread), because to me it feels like its just the cultural difference between places that have public baths and places that do not. There's nothing inherently sexual about bathing - nor is there about a naked body, society around us shapes what we find sexual, just think that in the 1800s Victorian men thought ladies showing their ankles was sexual, because society basically pasted that as promiscuous.

 

[Reinhardt Schneider]

In my honest opinion, the CERO, ERSB y PEGI were created precisely to regulate content, trying to push this responsability to platform holders when the ERSB was created precisely because of this is walking more than a few steps back.

Now, those entities should look harder on the content.

 

[L Thammy]

I think there's an interesting discussion to have about bathing scenes (as they were bought up in this thread), because to me it feels like its just the cultural difference between places that have public baths and places that do not. There's nothing inherently sexual about bathing - nor is there about a naked body, society around us shapes what we find sexual, just think that in the 1800s Victorian men thought ladies showing their ankles was sexual, because society basically pasted that as promiscuous.

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If we're talking anime bathing scenes, it's not uncommon to have things like guys wanting to peek into the girl's side, the partition breaking so the girls get exposed, and other things that sexualize the scenes all on their own.

Hell, I've seen reference to it without even having an actual bathing scene - there's a character in Ashita no Joe who mentions wanting to be a bathhouse attendant because he feels like it's a job he can realistically land and all the guys get excited at the idea that he can help him peek at the girls.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Gross. Is this what people are upset that is being "censored"?

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Almost always, yes.

 

[Toumari]

I think there's an interesting discussion to have about bathing scenes (as they were bought up in this thread), because to me it feels like its just the cultural difference between places that have public baths and places that do not. There's nothing inherently sexual about bathing - nor is there about a naked body, society around us shapes what we find sexual, just think that in the 1800s Victorian men thought ladies showing their ankles was sexual, because society basically pasted that as promiscuous.

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Isn't the main demographic of these games horny men who want to look at big anime titties? I feel these type of games aren't as innocent as you make it seem.

 

[Hexa]

Good.

 

[Camstun187]

I wonder if Nintendo ever regrets the whole Mortal Kombat 1 ordeal

 

[Shudouken]

I agree with this decision. Nintendo shouldn't have to hire staff to do the job of the rating boards.
Instead the rating boards should do a better job, make their guidelines more clear and streamline the screening process.

I feel like plenty of their decisions are arbitrary or unnecessary. It depends a lot on which person worked their shift.
Sometimes this goes so far that it comes to inconsistencies within one and the same game.
Take TMS#FE, why was a totally normal looking wedding dress deemed not okay, but later on it's totally fine to show the same girl in a bikini?
Or in Smash Ultimate Mythra and Camilla were covered up but the Ouendan Cheerleaders were not, even though they are showing more skin.
Sakurai was complaining about CERO a lot during Smash 4 development as well.

I feel like instead of censoring to get a lower age rating (and potentially more sales), developers should just accept whatever CERO or the ESRB says.
Or add an optional "M-rated DLC", which adds an option to toggle the content in the settings. It's 2019, we have the technology.

 

[Buzzard]

These stances are so lame. Might as well put whatever the fuck on the store cause I can "chose not to consume it"

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But you don't seem to have a problem with extremely violent content on the store which should be as censored or banned as Loli games

Basically you are saying that others should consume what you personally accept.

 

[Musubi]

Good. What the hell is the point of the ESRB if platform holders are just going to modify content after the fact?

 

[flohen95]

In my honest opinion, the CERO, ERSB y PEGI were created precisely to regulate content, trying to push this responsability to platform holders when the ERSB was created precisely because of this is walking more than a few steps back.

Now, those entities should look harder on the content.

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Exactly. Sony policing content by itself adds another layer of arbitrarity to the approval process, and I don't think that's good at all. Sony should take it up with the ratings boards if Sony disagrees with the way they rate these games.

 

[Deleted member 8593]

I'd be 120% happy if these kinds of games are banned completely from coming to the PSN and eShop rather than just censored.

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The problem is that the industry at large seems to be unwilling or woefully incapable of doing anything substantial about the issue.
Nintendo is pointing to the ratings boards who are basically ignoring it, Sony has weird, intransparent guidelines and methods that lead to hilarious shit like this (NSFW image) and Steam/Valve let almost everything on their store.

 

[NSESN]

Then why did they remove most of the religious references typical of the Xeno-series from Xenoblade 2?

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The references are still there just with another name, if you look at the meaning of the localized mames you will see it is similar to the japanese one

 

[Kizuna]

Isn't the main demographic of these games horny men who want to look at big anime titties? I feel these type of games aren't as innocent as you make it seem.

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And looking at big anime titties is bad and the types of games that allow it should be explicitly prohibited or censored by the platform holder because…? Like, why exactly?
Now, underage characters are an entirely different topic, of course.

 

[9-Volt]

That's good to hear. Now, Rockstar, you know what to do. Bring out Manhunt 3!

 

[VodkaFX]

Exactly. Sony policing content by itself adds another layer of arbitrarity to the approval process, and I don't think that's good at all. Sony should take it up with the ratings boards if Sony disagrees with the way they rate these games.

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Yeah, even Steam don't force any form of censorship from my memory. Fully agree with OP's statement.

But as usual, the holier than thou attitude is strong in these threads, every single time.

Don't like the game, don't buy it, take it up with the ratings board if one finds that the current regulations are too lenient.

 

[Comic Obsessed]

Quick reminder of the type of 'content' you are supporting if you are happy with this stance:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ed-ps4-version-censored.110987/#post-19751954

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Too transparent.

 

[IamFlying]

So you are okay with nintendo letting games with naked children in a bath on their platform? Dont you feel any sort of disgust towards this kind of content?

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A little rays and smoke in the version for Sony's platform don't make the game less gross, on the contrary it legitimate the game further, but it's disgusting anyway. Games that include such child porn stuff should be forbidden, but that is the job of the law and rating boards not Nintendos or Sonys.

 

[Famassu]

I mean yeah, why do the parenting job for them when actual parents can spend the 20 seconds to set up parental controls.

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The content that is mostly being censored is pedo bait loli animu games. That is, it's not just an issue with children being exposed to some adult content, but the content itself is disgusting & objectionable. Nintendo should absolutely take a stand on underage-sexualization. It's a weak stance for them not to.

 

[Radeo]

But you don't seem to have a problem with extremely violent content on the store which should be as censored or banned as Loli games

Basically you are saying that others should consume what you personally accept.

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It's amazing what people are desensitized to

 

[Reinhardt Schneider]

Exactly. Sony policing content by itself adds another layer of arbitrarity to the approval process, and I don't think that's good at all. Sony should take it up with the ratings boards if Sony disagrees with the way they rate these games.

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Yeah, as of today questionable content has skyrocketed, but the rating boards are still working over the same standards. What we need is the big three reaching them with new suggestions instead of trying to get things done themselves. Nintendo already did and that led to the creation of the ESRB. That should tell us something.

 

[Angie]

Almost always, yes.

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There are people, that are actually upset that this pedo stuff got some mist covering it on the PS4 version?

 

[Toumari]

There are people, that are actually upset that this pedo stuff got some mist covering it on the PS4 version?

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Looks like it.

 

[aisback]

This is good on Nintendo.

I wish Sony would do the same