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Nintendo Deleted a Very Popular ‘Mario Maker 2' Stage Without Explanation - Waypoint
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Mistakes happen for sure, but deleting highly popular levels by highly visible players and giving no communication seems like someone was not paying attention, not following a process, or blindly following a bad process.
Community Ambassadors? You said they had them to talk to top-tier content creators not me. If they dont have them why should the moderation staff take into account if they are content creators or not when making decision?
Im on the side that this is an auto-mod mistake though, that they should clarify to him
You misunderstood me. My point was that Nintendo *doesn't* have these types of people, so all interactions with the community happen in a toxic cycle of aggressive action from Nintendo + sending an email to the press + a bunch of articles being written about it + no comment from Nintendo. Cycle repeats.
I can only think of those streamers whom were chosen as Ninty ambassadors but they don't really do any actual moderating or anything related. They just rep the brand.
Nintendo isn't a hive mind. Maybe somebody didn't get the memo and deleted a level called "Pile of Poo", which maybe got reported by stupid people.
Don't call your level "Pile of Poo", unless you have a legally writen contact with Nintendo, where you have the freedom to do that.
Here's hoping any of the reporting outlets get a Nintendo response as to why the level was removed. Stuff like this should have more granular wording than "Inappropriate and/or Harmful content". If it's the level title then call it out. If it's a glitch/bug/exploit call that out. If it's too many reports call that out. Creators shouldn't have to aim at a moving target for this stuff.
Too many reports should trigger a manual review at minimum. This shit isn't hard to figure out.
Too many reports should trigger a manual review at minimum. This shit isn't hard to figure out.
Nintendo seemingly just refuses to get those type of people too. Theyve had ages to hire them and assemble a team, but they dont.
That one seems fairly obvious, with the current storm Area 51 meme which some people including the USGov are actually taking seriously that could be seen as a call to political action and would be taken down, same as a box stacking themed level called "Build the wall"
If they can't tell why their auto moderator is deleting things, THAT is a real problem.
Just like they had ages to build a working online infrastructure and never did. Honestly MM2 multiplayer is embarassing. I feel like Nintendo is at least two generations behind with anything that touches online.
Yep, imagine putting a ton of work into a level and it gets deleted for something and you don't know why.
Splatoon definitely do since you can report players via the App.
I wonder if there is a better way to handle this instead of one person deciding something is offensive.
Maybe Nintendo don't have a problem with the word Poo itself but if you are wording titles to literally mean shit then I guess you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
But if the level was called Mario is Pooing maybe it would be ok.
But if the level was called Mario is Pooing maybe it would be ok.
They deleted all his mario maker levels too back in 2016....
but the fact we're paying to share levels now makes this all the more stupid.
but the fact we're paying to share levels now makes this all the more stupid.
On the Miiverse you would get auto-banned for "discussing criminal activity" if you said "project m".
A lot of the people focused on the "poo" thing are missing the larger point of how Nintendo does this stuff all the time for things that make way less sense than you're trying to apply to this. I had people begging me to play their kids' levels in Mario Maker 1 because Nintendo would regularly delete stages that were "unplayed" without revealing what the metric was to keep a stage on there.
For a second I read that as "Other M" and I was going to make a comment about how bans were justified because Other M was criminal activity
I'm inclined to believe it's less missing the point and more of defendingNintendo..
But this is Mario Maker 2 on a different system and with Online Payment. If they now would do it, then there would be a case. Otherwise some Nintendo moderator or automatic system just delete a level called "Piles of Poo".
Did you report it?
Well, check a week later and report it here, if something or nothing happened, then we know the truth.
Names definitely are the reason they're being deleted, and if they're not then I'd need to see another stage that has "Poo" or "Poopy" or something else equally milquetoast that's been left just fine.
I wanna emphasize "automatic" in my last post because I doubt there's anything overly intentional with it. Seems like content filters reasonably flagging it, and all it takes is one mod who has no idea who GrandPOOBear is or what special privileges he has to press the "delete" button.
Also people are saying Nintendo isn't being transparent but I'd consider "inappropriate content" to be fairly straightforward. The problem isn't that they aren't clear, the problem is we disagree with what a conservative family-oriented company like Nintendo considers inappropriate.
People keep buying.
Why invest to make it better when people have been receiving shit, eating it since 2005 and asking for more?
There is definitely a huge problem with it not being clear.
If nintendo wants to ban Poo then that's totally fine. They just need to discuss things with the community. They did this same shit in Mario Maker 1 even for levels that didn't have "poo" in it, with no explanation or clarification on what they removed or why.
Kind of baffling that they built Super Mario Maker 2 as a community built game, but they then refuse to communicate with them.
it's not that simple Grandpoobear is very known in speedrunning community. The dude always draws massive amounts of viewers at GDQ.
Okay that bolded piece hasn't been noted in the thread, and that does change things because it does make it look more targeted. Maybe it was a username sort of thing, but yeah, that's definitively weird.
Only other thing I could think of is user comments being left that are inappropriate, though I don't know why Nintendo wouldn't then go after the commentors instead of taking it out on the level itself.
in this case, it really is that simple, though. People will know his levels are his because it literally shows the maker's name and Mii right next to the title. No need to have any semblance of his name in the title at all, as far as i can tell. if he wants to have some portion of his "brand" in his titles, he could go with "bear with me" or something.
the dude literally said that the word poo isnt the problem. Nintendo is at fault here.
To clarify, i meant for levels outside of Poo's levels. I'm not willing to confirm any of his levels that got deleted in Mario Maker 1 as I wasn't following the MM / Kaizo community when it happened.
Plenty of other creators had their levels nuked randomly and had no idea or clue as to why or what to do after that.
Nintendo seemingly did it at random sometimes.
Poo's main thing right now is to just have at least a bare minimum of communication so people who decide to invest 1000's of hours into making levels have at least somebody to go to for issues like this. He's at least self-aware enough to know he's big enough to get attention, but we need something for people who aren't professional red bull sponsored streamers.
but Kamiya says games can't be art. Checkmate.
Seriously though - this is silly. And he's right. It could totally sour someone's experience so there needs to be more thought and care put into the moderation but I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
Not a level, but one comment I saw the first weekend during a level was truly awful and was about a recent high profile (in this community) event that I couldn't believe.
Involving a pit or dangerous area, and then over it a tasteless joke about suicide. No I don't want to go into details.
I hear what Patrick K and others are saying and this has to be at least pointed out but, I'm unable to say I'm not on a little bit on Nintendo's side here.
The game isn't designed to be a place where you can do (or say) such hurtful things that have the potential to ruin the experience for others. It's not killing the community by reinforcing that.
Involving a pit or dangerous area, and then over it a tasteless joke about suicide. No I don't want to go into details.
I hear what Patrick K and others are saying and this has to be at least pointed out but, I'm unable to say I'm not on a little bit on Nintendo's side here.
The game isn't designed to be a place where you can do (or say) such hurtful things that have the potential to ruin the experience for others. It's not killing the community by reinforcing that.
"Poo" being a part of his name, fine. "Pile of Poo" specifically invokes the word's slang usage of referencing feces, though, so I feel like he should have learned not to do that by now. I mean, why? Just call the level "Kai-Zero G" and be done with it.