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Nintendo/Bamco cropped their own sprite out of a fan sprite sheet for a spirit in SSBU; contains a few pixels of fanmade content from the poor crop
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You are replying for a person who literally called insiders informations in a sales thread "borderline worthless" for the sake of console warring, it's not worth it.
What needs fixed or what acknowledgment needs to be made though? The only thing visible in the game is their own art.
What a weird thread. I was hoping for some AC art in Uncharted type deal. Instead it's nothing.
i hope he doesn't get perma'd. i enjoy seeing him struggle to come up with negative things to say in every nintendo thread.
Yeah I wasn't aware of their post history, but the replies in this thread make it clear.
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You realize the person who found this ripped the sprite from the game and turned the alpha channels on showing the portion of the fanmade sprite in the picture right? Why are so many people trying to defend this? Whoever made the sprite was being lazy and did a bad job of cropping the sprite. We take Ubisoft, Naughty Dog, etc. to task for having other people's artwork in their games, so why not Nintendo?
are you FUCKING serious now
i knew you would compare it to when Naughty Dog stole an art from ACIV for a trailer but i hoped you wouldn't dare
because everyone here is a nintendo fanboy, obvi.
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you're trying to make this a big thing, i understand why you would want to do that, but this isn't it. just wait patiently for the next thread.
But they don't have someone's art in the game. They have their own art in the game. To see what little of someone else's art the raw file does contain, you not only need to extract it from the game (for which you will need to have jailbroken your Switch or downloaded a ROM of the game), but also manipulate the file to remove the alpha channel and 'reveal' the color data.
That they got 'their own art' from someone else is not really an issue - Nintendo owns their own art by default, and can use exact copies of it as they please. And the art that is actually in the game, is an exact copy of their own art.
On you are right, of course ! Psycho Mantis and Ninjablade used to be entertaining as well.
This thread seemed more dramatic than it actually is.
They didn't have the asset on hand and used the quickest method available for content that was 100% legally theirs.
It's not as bad as Sony using someone's render of Sir Daniel in Medievals teaser trailer. 🤷 It's just a silly mistake.
They didn't have the asset on hand and used the quickest method available for content that was 100% legally theirs.
It's not as bad as Sony using someone's render of Sir Daniel in Medievals teaser trailer. 🤷 It's just a silly mistake.
Interesting stuff, thanks for the heads-up!
Glad I could humor you.
Because it's not "in" the game. I can't play Smash and see it. Covering up those 37 pixels had the same effect as deleting them or whatever.
Because that's REALLY not a big deal. It's a massive project, as a graphic designer I know that processing a lot of pictures can be tedious so you look for efficiency first.
They should still patch the picture to remove the tiny bit of artwork in the alpha channel but there's no controversy here.
The person ripped this file from the game, it's something 99% of end-users will never see because they're not data mining it. People criticized Naughty Dog for actually using an artist's subway map in the game, it's being used, it's shown. People criticized Naughty Dog for actually featuring artwork from Assassin's Creed 4 in one of Uncharted's trailers. There's a huge difference here, between the devs actually using stolen art in their games and Nintendo cropping their own art from an image submitted to DeviantArt by someone else.
It's not someone else's art. That's the point.
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Ok, I'm done. I'm not calling for Nintendo's head on a silver platter, all I'm saying is for them to acknowledge they goofed. Obviously it's a sprite, but if it's someone's art, it's someone's art. I'm out.
Yes, the art is Nintendo's, and re: intellectual property law, their submission of Nintendo's undited art to deviant art as their own is a worse offense than Nintendo's use of their own art after it had been uploaded by said user.
Sure it's a 'goof' but it's a small percentage of someone's art that literally no-one can see in the game itself, it doesn't matter whatsoever unless you have some strange desire to find out how "lazy" the devs were. However what people are calling you out on is how your first post on the matter was a crass "But other studios do it too!" and how you continued to make such comparisons despite both being evidently wrong.
There's really no issue, sometimes it's easier to google an asset from one of your games than it is to dig through old directories of projects that haven't been touched in years.
Honestly it's embarrassing what you are trying to do here, everyone uses google search daily, especially artists. They did nothing wrong.
From what I can gather for us LTTP the thread had a hyperbolic title (maybe the word stealing was involved?) which caught the attention of one of the biggest Nintendo haters on the site to bask in it beliving it to be true and we're now in the middle of the thread and said user being corrected ostensibly.
So yeah no issue basically.
The original thread title said that Nintendo used a fan-made sprite in Smash.
Ah I see, thanks for the clarification. I can certainly see how someone's eyes widened from that lol.
I wonder if people complaining about Beyond good and evil 2 featuring "uncompensated spec work" are as mad about this too...
This is basically just a bullet point of trivia for a fan wiki.
Interesting that it happened, but not a big controversy
Interesting that it happened, but not a big controversy
the original title was "Nintendo/Bamco used someone else's sprites for a spirit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate"
From this thread or ResetEra as a whole ? You won't be missed either way.
Title is extremely misleading. The only thing visible in Smash is Nintendo's own artwork, so I don't see an issue at all. Seems like typical gamer outrage for the sake of being outraged :shrug:
So an artists from Smash Bros used google search to get an obscure characters sprite easy.
I think its obvious that they do such things. Its 2018, not 1998 where they would search hours in a dusty graphic archive.
I think its obvious that they do such things. Its 2018, not 1998 where they would search hours in a dusty graphic archive.
Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about art culture (I'm an expert), but plagiarism and artistic imtegrity are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in hollywood where you can become successful by stealing ideas. If you screw someone over in the art world, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the gaming public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Smash Ultimate for the Switch, nor will they purchase any of Nintendo's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nintendo has alienated an entire market with this move.
Nintendo, publicly apologize and patch out Spirits mode or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about art culture (I'm an expert), but plagiarism and artistic imtegrity are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in hollywood where you can become successful by stealing ideas. If you screw someone over in the art world, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the gaming public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Smash Ultimate for the Switch, nor will they purchase any of Nintendo's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nintendo has alienated an entire market with this move.
Nintendo, publicly apologize and patch out Spirits mode or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I am the first to jump to the defense of pixel artists, our art work is often taken and used without any ramification to the person stealing it. (I'm looking at you bead spriters).
If Nintendo used the person's sprite, I'd hold their feet to the flame... but it's a tiny 4x12 chunk of the person's sprite with the entire Nintendo artist sprite in full view. It was obviously never meant to be seen, and was alpha'd out so that it was only the Nintendo sprite in game.
There is literally no problem with this. If you have a problem with this, you should also have a problem with the person on DeviantArt having a full Nintendo sprite in their uploaded image.
If Nintendo used the person's sprite, I'd hold their feet to the flame... but it's a tiny 4x12 chunk of the person's sprite with the entire Nintendo artist sprite in full view. It was obviously never meant to be seen, and was alpha'd out so that it was only the Nintendo sprite in game.
There is literally no problem with this. If you have a problem with this, you should also have a problem with the person on DeviantArt having a full Nintendo sprite in their uploaded image.
Wow, so you are telling me that they didn't even bother to make 3D models of spirits like they did with trophies and now they searched for the images to use for Spirits on Google?
Smash devs are really the hyperbole of laziness.
Giving my copy of the game back to my local store rn.
Also I'm being sarcastic.
Smash devs are really the hyperbole of laziness.
Giving my copy of the game back to my local store rn.
Also I'm being sarcastic.
There'a always an absurd amount of internet rage whenever something like this happens, and I just don't understand where it comes from. It's not like they served up a hot DMCA to the artist or something while using it.
Let the artist use Google images instead of digging around in a GBA ROM when it's something they clearly have the rights to, FFS.
Let the artist use Google images instead of digging around in a GBA ROM when it's something they clearly have the rights to, FFS.
I'm sincerely struggling to understand why anyone should care about this.