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Ninja hits 1,000,000 active subs on Mixer in less than a week
- Thread starter ManaByte
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That's actually a pretty good idea, they should have done something like a free sub to Ninja and one free sub to any other channel...it would get people browsing other channels on Mixer and might give the smaller streamers a bit of a chance to boost their viewers.
Exactly. Not sure why not promote other streamers too. Unless they just want to Mixer to be a Ninja streaming channel and nothing else.
Must be a bit frustrating small streamers watching this. Ninja was going to get massive subs and views regardless.
streaming has gotta be the most disposable content on the planet. millions of people just eating up hot air
I don't like sports. Gaming took what i didn't like about sports and now I'm out of the loop in both sports and videogames. I need I new hobby.
I might be old at 35 years, but can someone please explain to me what is so appealing aboutwatching some random dude playing a game? I mean, gaming itself is a waste of time but an extremely fun waste of time in which I actually participate myself, but watching someone else play? Did I miss a train here? Sure, it's fun to watch a recap of some dude raging over a From software game, but we're talking about live streaming here, right?
Didn't Microsoft lay off lots of people on the Mixer team recently? I'm confused if they are serious about Mixer or not.
I'm never watching Ninja, but I clicked the huger banner on the start page of Mixer that offered a free Ninja sub without even leaving the page. These numbers have to be seen in context of that.
They laid of their content production teams. Now, instead of going for original productions, they're trying their hand at buying out big guns.
They laid off their content creators.
Then they contracted Ninja.
In other words their content creators weren't building subs so they spent the money on securing a popular streamer.
It seems to be working, at least way better than their exclusive content was.
Possibly the biggest difference (and their headlining feature) is their FTL tech which means next to no delay. It's actually possible to have a real time conversation with your chat as a streamer.
Other than that they have MixPlay (which most streamers use as a form of Soundboards), Co-stream (for everyone), and HypeZone (an AI based channel that shows other streams that are close to winning in select games).
There also testing a feature which allows you to have overlays from Xbox, which is pretty cool.
I hope they release a native app for PS4 soon. Maybe PS5?
everyone burying the lede here - that the subscriptions are free - is just doing free marketing for Microsoft and Ninja
I am not interested in Ninja, but I hope Mixer is getting bigger. People seem to like it, and Twitch needs competition.
Reality TV is a lot more dynamic than watching a static dude sitting at a static desk staring at his static computer screen.
So can we all agree on the parameters?
If you are trying to ignore the 1 mil subs as irrelevant you are downplaying too much because usually to get half that much interest on streaming channels you need to run a huge tournament.
If you are suggesting Ninja will be able to convert most of those subs into active users of Mixer regardless of their sub status is too early to determine that and thus overplaying the stat.
Aren't (most of) the biggest names pro gamers in their respective games though?
I know that Panda.tv wanted to give Team Secret (Dota 2) 1.25 million USD for 250h streaming hours.
A million? Streaming is really big I guess and Ninja seems to have a lot of fans that willingly make an account on a different platform, be it free or not. He will be a great marketing tool for gamepass in the future, I guess.
It is a goal. Not the goal.
The goal is outperform Twitch.
These subs is one of many sub goals to get there.
You are not watching a static dude sitting at a static desk, though. The way you break this down is intentionally false, I assume. You see the game being played in the same screen and you hear the streamer talking to you or with the people he plays with and apparently this is entertainment for many people out there. I'm older than you and also cannot understand the appeal but this doesn't mean I break what is shown down to something that isn't true.
Have you ever been to a friend's place, watching him play a game and talking about it? Streaming is pretty much the same thing, when the audience is small. When it gets as big as Ninja, is basically watching a celebrity doing things, and people love celebrities (hell, there are entire magazines that only talk about what celebrities do).
Sure, but then we take turns. And I know the guy because, you know, we're friends.
I don't really care about see anyone playing a game on the internet, to be honest. If it's a celebrity or not. That's why I'm just inrested in the appeal of it. I mean I assume most of the audience is a gamer, in this case. Why not use the time to play a game yourself? For example.
I don't get the appeal of people watching reality tv but people watch it regardless.
I don't want to play a game, I want to chill and watch my favourite GTARP streamer plan and execute a jailbreak like the 14 hour stream last night, I want to watch my favourite retro streamer play games I did as a kid and participate in the interactive quiz they do at the start of the stream, I want to watch my favourite youtuber who streams during his breaks from editing videos.
I like the passive nature of it. I can put a stream on and do other things.
You don't? I don't like reality TV either, but I sure understand the appeal a lot more. It's not that complicated. People enjoy watching other people's arguing or having secret romances for example.
Sounds reasonable.
So then you're not actually watching? It's more of a background thing then.
Sometimes its a background thing but most times I sit or lie in bed and watch instead of watching regular TV.
You're conflating a dismissal with a conflation of ideas. If another streamer on mixer also just reached 1 million subs but those were normally paid, what you're painting is a picture where their accomplishment and Ninja's are identical, despite a $6 million difference.
I wait for the "mixer is a money sink - I spent 10k worth nothing on it"-article.
That'd put him almost double the current number 1 on Twitch and 5x more than what he had on Twitch. Why people thinking something like a 99% drop is crazy are kinda funny, anything other would be crazy impressive.
So? It's 1,000,000 people who have either logged in to their mixer account and subscribed or signed up to subscribe.
That's amazing!
I mean, I used that number because I don't follow what he did have, or whatever. But my rough point will be, it'll drop to below his twitch numbers after this free month runs out.
Find it baffling that people have such reasoned insights but Microsoft wouldn't have thought of the same thing 🤔
Someone mentioned that you earn embers by watching streams, so it could be those? If it's not, it's impressive people are willing to spend that kind of money.
Have the people who don't see this as impressive ever been on Mixer? Because if you had, you'd have seen just how paulty the viewer numbers are on any given day. Basically, there weren't a million people just clicking a banner and getting a free sub. Most of these people had to join the service in the first place, which isn't something people generally do just to get a free sub to something they have no interest in.
This is impressive as hell, free or not, and even when the eventual drop in Ninja subs hits, Microsoft has still managed to get more people to sign up to this service than were using it in total before hand and many will stick around. Ninja is already showing he was worth the money they paid him.
This is impressive as hell, free or not, and even when the eventual drop in Ninja subs hits, Microsoft has still managed to get more people to sign up to this service than were using it in total before hand and many will stick around. Ninja is already showing he was worth the money they paid him.
Well, as long as he keeps playing Minecraft I'd say MS will still be pretty happy about it hahah
I never really got what the big deal is about this guy. He plays games and tons of people watch it? I assume he has some funny and entertaining talks throughout or do people just really like to constantly watch someone game? I never really understood that anyway.
Why do people say that people created 1 Million accounts? You just had to have a Microsoft account which many people already have for Office, Xbox or Windows services (like Outlook.com). Still a brutal boost, but looking at the current Mixer environment...that is a lot more than any other channel and games have at all. I don't think Mixer will get the needed push to be in the minds of people with that - they would need all the current big streamers and also make up for a lot of services which people use in chats.
Kids love him and he is funny. You dont need more reasons. He also markted himself like a champ as soon as he noticed what happens. Before that he was just a normal raging streamer.
Kids love him and he is funny. You dont need more reasons. He also markted himself like a champ as soon as he noticed what happens. Before that he was just a normal raging streamer.
Oh, I know, but that sort of drop should be expected. I don't think people actually know what a realistic hold is when people have to pay, but they all start at about 97% lower than what he currently has and even that's unrealistic. All the "Ninja loses 99% of his subscribers" articles will be fun for the reactions I guess.
when ninja left twitch he had less then 20k subs, so this number is utterly meaningless and only acts as free advertising for him. mixer are giving people free subs to use on him. we'll only see a legit number for him after the free subs run out.
Yeah I don't even like Ninja, and I still hit the free subscribe button because why not?
For the most part, what I personally get out of it is learning from players that are better at me in competitive games. As a format for that sort of thing I think it's generally better than a YouTube tips and tricks type thing, and it's something I can have on a screen as background noise while working.
I only do a little esports watching, mostly Rocket League as I don't find FPS to translate all that well as the basic format is jumping from one player POV to another at the whims of the casters who are trying to convey how the round is playing out. As much as I love playing R6 Siege, it's too much effort to watch and make sense of.
I don't spend that much time watching guys like Shroud whose main draw is just the pure aiming talent and reflexes (granted he has amazing game sense when he wants to as well, but most of the time is playing intentionally stupid to meme on people so it's not as engaging as it could be for me).
DrDisRespect I find legitimately funny in small to moderate doses, so I'll click on him from time to time.
As far as 'real' sports viewing, I've been watching less NFL and Premier League/Champion's League stuff the past couple of years, and have spent more time watching instructional/technique stuff on YouTube for sports I play recreationally.
The social sempai streamer notice me stuff I don't really get into. I can kind of see the appeal for a certain sort of person who always liked watching their friends play video games. A decent streamer will be legitimately more interesting to watch playing a game than your average friend.
But yeah, fundamentally I want to play, not watch. But I can play better occasionally watching.
As someone a couple of years older than you... I had to work a bit to get into Twitch and understand its appeal.
For the most part, what I personally get out of it is learning from players that are better at me in competitive games. As a format for that sort of thing I think it's generally better than a YouTube tips and tricks type thing, and it's something I can have on a screen as background noise while working.
I only do a little esports watching, mostly Rocket League as I don't find FPS to translate all that well as the basic format is jumping from one player POV to another at the whims of the casters who are trying to convey how the round is playing out. As much as I love playing R6 Siege, it's too much effort to watch and make sense of.
I don't spend that much time watching guys like Shroud whose main draw is just the pure aiming talent and reflexes (granted he has amazing game sense when he wants to as well, but most of the time is playing intentionally stupid to meme on people so it's not as engaging as it could be for me).
DrDisRespect I find legitimately funny in small to moderate doses, so I'll click on him from time to time.
As far as 'real' sports viewing, I've been watching less NFL and Premier League/Champion's League stuff the past couple of years, and have spent more time watching instructional/technique stuff on YouTube for sports I play recreationally.
The social sempai streamer notice me stuff I don't really get into. I can kind of see the appeal for a certain sort of person who always liked watching their friends play video games. A decent streamer will be legitimately more interesting to watch playing a game than your average friend.
But yeah, fundamentally I want to play, not watch. But I can play better occasionally watching.