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Nike pulling sneaker that features Betsy Ross flag after Colin Kaepernick and others say it’s offensive
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Is there a point where ceding a symbol to neo Nazi dipshits becomes absurd?
Like if they started trying to coopt rainbow flags, crucifixes, Star of David, etc.
Surely you think there has to be some line drawn somewhere.
if the argument is that betsy ross flag is offensive, then the current one is too
so it doesnt matter which one you fucking use other than the confederate one. that one actually matters
so it doesnt matter which one you fucking use other than the confederate one. that one actually matters
Oh no what are you doing you will anger the people defending the literal concentration camps :(
It depends. Like I think it sucks that the 'ok' symbol got co-opted. I wish we ignored that bullshit.
That said, in this case, the way Americans worship the flag and have weaponized patriotism (NFL kneeling, the reaction to burning the flag, "democrats hate the troops" while they happily underfund the VA), and the revisionist history behind our founding fathers where the civil war wasn't about slavery in many textbooks...this is a hill im willing to die on. As a symbol it strikes closer to the debate we need to have than ok symbol, pepe, etc
Seems like a reach, surprised this had sway over Nike at all. I know this place gets very anti american flag or america in general...but its a reach.
How far down the rabbit hole do you have to go to find racist groups using this? Even if they are fuck them its not theirs to take. Has to come a time where we say fuck them and not let them co-opt whatever.
How far down the rabbit hole do you have to go to find racist groups using this? Even if they are fuck them its not theirs to take. Has to come a time where we say fuck them and not let them co-opt whatever.
I know it's posted all the time, but it really fits with the Woke brands narrative.
Making a decision that gets people riled up on social media is free marketing, not shocked to see them do this.
What you gonna do if you see someone with these sneakers? Fight him or be normal and say those shoes are dope? Imo, anything comment other than dope is an abnormal repsonse.
Can't watch the video, but flag colored shoes isn't new. And every business decision is based on money.
I was not talking about that.
Flag merch is a no brainer, nationalists can't have enough of their flags, regardless of what they represent.
You miss my point, its less about the sneakers than out the box people nipping it in the bud saying, 'These are offensive'.
Again, in a normal timeline, who gives a shit.
In this timeline where there's racism is regarded as an acceptable political belief, I don't put it past anyone. Like look how innoculous 'All Lives matter' is as a phrase and how now its a stand in for 'police brutality doesn't exist'
Yep.
People agressively dismissing this kind of discourse, nevermind if they agree with the merch retraction or not, are always sus.
Those that would be offended by these shoes are nuts, and the racists that would sport these shoes probably can't afford them. Those that worry about the optics are overanalyzing.
This controversy ain't worth the energy imo.
Disclaimer- I'd buy these.
Nah, it's looking to be mad. I ain't going to stop you, but I disagree. I've been banned as a misogynist on here, and I disagreed at the time. I'm not whatever "supporting" this shoe makes me either.
So things like pepe, ok symbol, do you see a problem with those? Those are as innocuous on paper imho. Again, not saying the flag itself isn't a problem, but it's not hard to see a step or two forward and see it getting easily co-opted.
They ain't too woke. They recently pulled some shit in Asia because the CHICOMS got offended by it.
Nike just wants your money.
Of course they do, and this is free marketing for them.
The video is great, you should give it a few minutes if you haven't already.
Why would racists be too poor to afford sneakers? College educated whites are one of the biggest groups voting for Trump, they have plenty of money.
Yeah, not particularly offensive. If it is, then all versions are. We've had 50 stars while a lot of people are oppressed. And if all are offensive it takes away about how particularly offensive the Confederate battle flag is, which is a symbol of war to support slavery. The union flag isn't a symbol of atrocities, but like any large empire has baggage.
Of course we all know a flag of a colonialist white supremacist government isn't hateful in the least.
This is a reach. USWNT killing it. USMNT gonna bumble into the finals. Perfect time to cash in on the very shitty color scheme of red white and blue.
And anyone who says the shoes look bad, remind me never to follow ya fashion advice.
What shoes are you wearing that wasn't made by slave labor? If a shoe that has the flag on it represents everything bad about it, you got to have some 100% legit shoes.
I hope they still release the sneakers with out the flag because I like them. Also not like my jeans wouldn't be covering the flag 95% of the time anyway.
Why the fuck are people so attatched to the betsy ross flag? Its outdated and serves no purpose today outside of a reminder of a time when things were pretty shit for a large segment of america.
And before anyone says is, i know things are also shit now, but why add more shit baggage from the past? Is the betsy ross flag really that special?
And before anyone says is, i know things are also shit now, but why add more shit baggage from the past? Is the betsy ross flag really that special?
But this isn't dealing with that (and the arguments against this flag can be used against every version of the American flag, including the current one, regardless.)
So you agree shit isn't black and white that can ground down to black and white. Good.
Some things are black or white, but it's not my fault if people turn a blind eye to the heinous shit done in the name of nationalism when rationalising their own sentiments.
"whats wrong with this flag" to "you probabaly have slave labour shoes" is such a ridiculous sequence of arguments.
I mean the American flag has never been a symbol that represented people that look like Kap, lets be honest. How can you cede something that was never for you to begin with?
I rock pink on occasion but only stars and stripes would be these nikes.Books daily wear
what about "you should have gotten the Puerto Ricos instead of the ugly ones"
You're overthinkign it. This is isn't about representation, this is about fashion.
I don't do the 4th or Thanksgiving for similar reasons so I can't condemn the opinion of anyone that finds it offensive and it's an old flag anyway no need to rock it. Even if you don't find it offensive it's outdated who cares if they pull it?
Nike's reaction is weird to me though after the China thing like they are trying to buy more good guy credits.
Nike's reaction is weird to me though after the China thing like they are trying to buy more good guy credits.
the original 13 colonies were far far worse than any modern hate group
Inb4 "Anything symbolizing not leaving this continent uncharted by the white man is offensive" take.
Really REALLY overreaching here, buddy.
Really REALLY overreaching here, buddy.
100% truth right here.
Everybody does, unfortunately :/
I might actually start buying Nike products if they do that.
