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Nike pulling sneaker that features Betsy Ross flag after Colin Kaepernick and others say it’s offensive
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Yeah, this strikes me as unnecessary. Especially since it's the original 13-territory flag - unless I'm mistaken, no hate groups are really running with that as their symbol.
It's one thing to not wear/fly the flag, but insisting it's a symbol of hate is just giving a hot take for the sake of one.
It's a tricky situation because symbols are complicated. But it has absolutely been co-opted by hate groups.
It is literally the sysmbol for the begining of Slavery in America. When they shouted about freedom for every white land owning male and everyone else can eat shit
Is the old American Flag offensive? Sure. It doesn't matter to me if I literally never see that flag design again in my entire life.
I can understand the sentiment, but by that argument the current flag also represents slavery which might not necessarily be incorrect, but I don't think you're going to find a lot of popular support for that opinion.
Those people are idiots so who gives a shit.
yep, lock this thread, we are done here
But I mean, isn't it the same flag as the one we currently have. We just added more stars the more states we *acquired*
Like if we got DC and PR statehood we'd add two more
The 13 colonies are always repped on every version of the flag with the stripes as well. That hasn't changed
Like if we got DC and PR statehood we'd add two more
The 13 colonies are always repped on every version of the flag with the stripes as well. That hasn't changed
It's kinda like the pre-1965 flag of Canada, the Red Ensign, I guess.
There's nothing really offensive about the flag itself, but in the past few years far-right groups have been embracing it as a symbol of "white" Canada.
If that flag is offensive then all flags are (or at least any flag of a nation over 100 years old), which could indeed be a valid argument.
Heinous oppression occurred under that flag, but the flag doesn't represent racism or oppression the way something like the confederate flag or swastika does.
Heinous oppression occurred under that flag, but the flag doesn't represent racism or oppression the way something like the confederate flag or swastika does.
He's free to feel it represents whatever he believes it does.
It doesn't mean his view is correct, of course, and there's little reason for anyone besides Nike Corporate to give his views some extra authority beyond any other random person.
In the end, it's simply a corporation making moves for corporate considerations.
It doesn't mean his view is correct, of course, and there's little reason for anyone besides Nike Corporate to give his views some extra authority beyond any other random person.
In the end, it's simply a corporation making moves for corporate considerations.
I mean I'm not denying that every flag and symbol from that era is from a time when slavery was rampant in the colonies
I just don't think they're all automatically offensive as a result. I wouldn't view someone wearing a shirt with the Betsy Ross the same way I would them wearing a confederate flag. If we want to remove all iconography and symbols from eras when slavery was rampant ..I think that's a massive overreaction, but I get why people think differently
LOL!
the present day flag is an evolution from the Betsy Ross flag which an evolution the British "Grand Union Flag"
if you hate the Betsy Ross flag then you should hate the 50 stars present day flag
LOL
I'm in the camp of "They are really OVER-REACHING" on this one because every subsequent US flag are additional stars of new added states
the present day flag is an evolution from the Betsy Ross flag which an evolution the British "Grand Union Flag"
if you hate the Betsy Ross flag then you should hate the 50 stars present day flag
LOL
I'm in the camp of "They are really OVER-REACHING" on this one because every subsequent US flag are additional stars of new added states
The bigoted shits who use it as propaganda to recruit more members.
LOL!
the present day flag is an evolution from the Betsy Ross flag which an evolution the British "Grand Union Flag"
if you hate the Betsy Ross flag then you should hate the 50 stars present day flag
LOL
I'm in the camp of "They are really OVER-REACHING" on this one
The 4th of July is coming up. Maybe someone will now tell people that they should take down that 50 star flag that is a secret British flag.
Anyway, it all comes down to money and Nike isn't going to ban the 50 star flag from their shoes since that would likely cause a major backlash.
Ehhhhhhhh
Is Nike willing to come out and say 4th of July celebrations are racist by the same reasoning?
Is Nike willing to come out and say 4th of July celebrations are racist by the same reasoning?
Seems fine to me. Anything that gets us to stop glorifying our slaver Founding Fathers is a good move. A lot of black activists I know are just doing "Thanks for the BBQ" Day on the fourth since the whole 1776, rah rah rah, thing harkens back to a whitewashed version of the country back then.
It's kinda like the pre-1965 flag of Canada, the Red Ensign, I guess.
There's nothing really offensive about the flag itself, but in the past few years far-right groups have been embracing it as a symbol of "white" Canada.
I am super happy withe The Maple Leaf / Unifolié
also the symbolism of the One Leaf representing all equally is a great symbol
this is a reach sorry
the sort of stuff that gives ammo to the people who fly legitimate garbage like the confederate flags with excuses like "oh look they attack all history"
The original 13 colonies is how the US started, not slavery. That existed before and after this flag. This is almost more of a symbol of the Union that fought against slavery
the sort of stuff that gives ammo to the people who fly legitimate garbage like the confederate flags with excuses like "oh look they attack all history"
The original 13 colonies is how the US started, not slavery. That existed before and after this flag. This is almost more of a symbol of the Union that fought against slavery
So? Allowing them breathing room and letting them control what is "legitimate" cause for outrage before even engaging with the discussion is letting them win.
Tiptoeing around these fucks out of fear they will recruit more people is peak white moderate shit.
yeah, the problem with having the Union Jack defaced in the corner of the flag makes you feel really colonial and have no identity of your own.
Probably why White Supremacists are re-appropriating it. something something Make something Great Again.
I am super happy withe The Maple Leaf / Unifolié
also the symbolism of the One Leaf representing all equally is a great symbol
Don't get it twisted, still a symbol of a white majority colonialist society that did heinous shit under that flag.
I have to agree with this. But also..our current flag probably is a symbol for nazism.
Good take.
Fair take, but I'd rather reclaim the flag to actually stand for what I thought it stood for.
Worst part about this is how conservatives actually will adopt this now and politicize it in order to "own the libs".
Nah, the worst part is people downplaying corporation banking on symbols of colonlialism and opression because they fear conservatives will try to own the libs if they point out the obvious.
Ah okay this make sense. I didn't understand at first. Thanks mate.
I'll agree with this. If the Betsy Ross version of the flag is offensive, then every version of the flag is offensive, because they're ALL based off that version. The number of stars on it isn't a particularly good qualifier of whether it's racist or not.
Im with it.
Sad thing in the normal timeline I wouldn't care.
In this timeline...If anything the last few years has taught me is that you give ya local racist/fascist/nazi even a second of a benefit of doubt, suddenly you're overrun with those cockroaches. I can imagine Proud Boys making it their symbol while waving the flag, and Foxnews taking up the cause like 'See, the LEFT hates the US FLAG' while barely dogwhistling it as a symbol of hate. Spray painting a circle of stars on black churches and synagogues, etc
Sad thing in the normal timeline I wouldn't care.
In this timeline...If anything the last few years has taught me is that you give ya local racist/fascist/nazi even a second of a benefit of doubt, suddenly you're overrun with those cockroaches. I can imagine Proud Boys making it their symbol while waving the flag, and Foxnews taking up the cause like 'See, the LEFT hates the US FLAG' while barely dogwhistling it as a symbol of hate. Spray painting a circle of stars on black churches and synagogues, etc