Pedantics. Tell me, what you call agression that happens during an sexual act?
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Neymar accused of rape
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Pedantics. Tell me, what you call agression that happens during an sexual act?
Thank you for doing this.
A man forcing himself into an woman after she saying that without condoms nothing more than making out would happen is rape. She might have made very clear that she wanted to have sex with him, but once she places that boundary, it is rape. If the lawyers don't see it like that, they are wrong.
This is simply disgusting.
This thread right here is textbook what rape victims go through. "She's lying", "The woman is crazy", etc...
I'm out of here until we have more development of this story, since this thread is like running in circles.
I'm sorry, but no, you're the one who has hinted that she could be crazy and now you're saying that she could be lying.
This is the kind of bullshit rape victims go through, all these doubts cast on them. Fuck this, I'm out.
Kinda unrelated to the case, but I am glad that Neymar is out of Copa America. He continuing to play made the case more complicated than it needed, and as a brazilian it makes me more calm that there won't be a guy being accused for rape representing the nation
I said that crazy people exist, and that there's a possibility that she can be lying. This is very different from what you are claiming I said. Both these things are true, and they're the reason why you can't claim that Neymar is guilty. There hasn't been any piece of evidence to support her claims so far. No shit it casts doubt on HER (not them), that's the entire point.
Are you saying that we should 100% believe every single rape claim and throw the accuser in jail right away despite no evidence?
The ex-lawyer was one of the owners of a restaurant that is partner with Neymar's foundation.
The lawyer Yasmin Abdalla has also dropped the case, she asked the lawyer that was mentioned earlier, Danilo Garcia de Andrade. He was invited by Yasmin to help her with the case, and he will be the one representing Najila now.
Well, now at least we have somewhat of an idea as to why he throwed her under the bus.
She didn't want to settle after Neymar's lawyers rejected their initial compensation offer that happened in May 29; then her ex-lawyer tried to keep negotiating, she got impatient and said that she wanted to "kill him" by putting this on the media. She made the B.O on May 31 with a different lawyer.
For all we know, she could have agreed with the compensation route and got pissed when Neymar didn't agree and then went with the current approach.
Depends on the agression, to be considered rape, according to Brazilian law, it has to be a libidinous act. If during a consensual sexual act, someone tries deliberately to blind the partner for another purpose other than satisfy their libido, they would probably be accused of an injury offense. Regarding this case, I think if Neymar became aggressive during sex, it was probably rape.
Sure, that's rape and I'm pretty sure that the lawyers know that. But you're using her official public version of the facts, which might differ from what she said in private to the ex-lawyer, in order to make him reach his conclusion of aggression. As far as I remember, he didn't mention anything about condoms within that letter. I don't see any reasons for them to not pursue the rape case if it indeed happened.
It is just ridiculous that they invented an injury to take him out instead of properly addressing the issue.
You are fighting against the facts. Yes. It's already been discussed over and over, but nothing will change your mind. Even if the girl confesses she was lying all the time, you will say Neymar paid her for doing so.
You are also not telling the true, saying that she could get money from Neymar if she wanted. That's FALSE. Her lawyer asked for a reunion with Neymar's representatives to ask for a settlement (money) - and not the contrary, like you said. And until that moment she never said the word "rape" to her last lawyer, it was an aggression. Only after the settlement was refused (for obviously reasons) she came up with the rape.
Believing this woman unconditionally, like you are doing, will only hurt real victims. If it was only her word against Neymar, I would give credit to her and understand your defense. But everything so far conspires against her.
No wonder 99% of the people in Brazil believe Neymar, even if most people don't really like him (like me).
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You don't have any sympathy towards potential victims of false rape allegations? Because this thread was also the textbook of what those victims go trhough, just need to see the first pages when everyone said Neymar was guilty.
The truth should always comes first. You can't arrest Neymar and want the girl's version to be true no matter what, solely because it would be better for the rape victims general cause. That's not justice.
Owner of Najila rented apparent denies break-in. No date set yet for retrial because of her lack of payment and eviction.
This is now the lawyer in me talking, not really what I believe in. Let's not consider that has surfaced evidence that the ex-lawyer that came in public might have a vested interest, since he is one of the owners of a restaurant that it's partnered with the Neymar's foundation. Let's not consider that he came out in public and that's something that he might have to answer civilly either.
As a lawyer, I think that their strategy was wrong, because they should have never tried to settle it privately first. The woman did the right thing by filing the police report, but in a court trial, I think that the agressions could become a middle ground of an undisputable fact, depending on how much evidence she has. Rape is an incredibly hard crime to prove, especially against someone like Neymar. That might have played something in the ex-lawyers strategy, but here is the thing: that's not what the alleged victim of rape wanted. She wants justice. And I can't blame her for that.
Couldn't have said it better... Some people are taking her words as facts, but ignoring the real facts that completely disproves her claims.
I'm not entirely sure. This was said by her landlord, and she says that her housekeeper left the doors unlocked purposely, that was caught on tape. The landlord has an eviction lawsuit against her, and how the hell the landord can affirm that this was done on purpose? Couldn't have this housekeeper forgot to lock the door? There are people with similar names of Najila facing threats and getting insulted gratuitously, imagine the mindset of the woman that is actually in the epicenter of this situation:
Najila goes for a press conference at the lawyer's office last night, came back to her apartment and notices that her door was unlocked? Can anyone really blame her for thinking it was a break in?
I see.
But looking at the whole picture, it's really hard to see this on her favor. It could be possible, bot not that plausible. So, with all we have, Neymar will hardly be convicted.
This case is already looking like a crazy movie. But I mean, also the coming to light that she is being evicted will help painting in the public the idea that she is broke and make that the motive.
The girl is now saying (among others things) she's been threatened by Neymar's own people. Who in Neymar's staff would be stupid enough to threaten
her after everything? And what Neymar would gain with the alleged threats?
Yes. The more she talks, the worse it gets for her.
Neymar not being convicted doesn't mean that she wasn't raped. Like I've said, as a lawyer I can sort of understand the strategy, save for the things that I pointed out that were clearly wrong. I do hope that the full video gets an admittance on tape of Neymar that he violated her, he simply saying that he thought that's what she wanted when she came to Paris when confronted with her saying that she asked him to stop would be enough. With that said, with the evidence we have so far, it is indeed hard to convict on rape. In the CP 218-C aka revenge porn in the USA and rest of the world, the conviction will likely happen tho. I just hope that the truth comes out and if Najila is indeed telling the truth, that she finds justice. I do believe her, but it will be incredibly hard to prove, knowing what we know so far. She does say that there are more to the chats than what Neymar has shown though.
Unfortunately, yes. She is dealing with not just Neymar, but all the machine behinds him. I mean, this just happened:
MasterCard suspended a marketing campaign they would be having with him. I don't know how can anyone not understand how fucking brave this woman is. Both her and the woman in the Ronaldo's case are fucking heroes in my book, Najila maybe even more so because honestly, if she wanted money and fame, she could get all that by only leaking those text messages herself. If a rape didn't happen, she could do that, become a digital influencer from night to day and she'd get a shitload of jobs, just because she was a Neymar's fling.
Her model career is over, her reputation is over, Neymar even if convicted, he will be fine. Neymar possibly raped her, definitely exposed her and her fucking kid. Neymar will be fine, this woman though? Even if justice is made, her life is fucked forever.
I'm not gonna take that one as proof that she is lying. I can totally see some crazy fan of Neymar doing stupid shit like that, so who knows. But I also doubt it would have been someone directly related to Neymar.
Citation needed. Once again, stop lying and distorting facts. This isn't something you can do with a serious issue like this. Prove what you've just said or retract it.
I'm pretty sure that what she actually said is that she is facing threats of powerful people and lawyers, she didn't name names. And judging by how the media is going through this woman's life, she is not wrong in feeling persecuted and threatened.
Man what the fuck
The long-term consequences for a lot of people who actually get convicted of rape are often pretty minimal. The idea that the falsely accused represent a particularly trod-upon portion of society is a laughable claim at best.
Heartbreaking. There is a new audio of her that supposedly she sent to Neymar and it's just heartbreaking. She says to him to man up and admit what he has done to her, that he knows that he came to her hotel room completely out of his mind and that nothing that is happening was needed, because he knows that she wanted to have sex with him when she went there, but not be fucking raped. She also says that she will ask for a toxicological exams of him because she knows he was on drugs when she met him and the incident happened.
"Segundo minha cliente, ela estava sofrendo ameaças de pessoas que seriam ligadas ao Neymar", afirmou o advogado Danilo Garcia de Andrade, de acordo com informações do UOL.
Even if Neymar wanted to admit something, his father wouldn't let him say something. He wouldn't let his cashcow go to jail and lose the life of luxury they have.
Come on... Her audio was supposedly sent to him AFTER that Neymar's video exposing everything on Instagram. It was after the scandal. That's hardly an evidence.
By the way, do you think we have a single evidence for Neymar to be condemned for rape beyond any reasonable doubt? Which one?
Some people are so funny. Very quick to condemn Neymar, even without a trustworthy evidence. But at the same time defends the innocence of Lula and others brazilian political criminals, even with tons of proofs and criminal convictions on court.
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Damn some ppl cant really speak with Lula's cock out of their mouth huh
Thank you for providing us the link, I truly haven't seen that article before. With that said, going back to your original comment on the article's content:
Like I've said on my previous post, this is a serious subject, and while it'd be absolutely nuts to have people related to Neymar threatening her, if she is saying that it is happening, I believe her.
I fail to understand how that faced with this information, you would say that "the more she talks, the worse it gets for her". If anything, if it's happening, she definitely needs to talk:
Najila in an interview to BuzzFeed Brazil, I'll translate the tweets quotes:
"I've lost control of my life, there's a conspiracy against me".
"My apartment was invaded, do you understand? There is a conspiracy against me because I'm such a liar... But if there was nothing in the accusation, they wouldn't worry that much, wouldn't they?"
"For God's sake! I'm not made of stone! Everyone is bought. He (Neymar) might have money. He might buy the world! But I am speaking the truth".
"He raped me, he beat and NOTHING not anyone will ever change that".
According with her lawyer, Danilo Garcia de Andrade, Najila has been suffering threats. She was installed in an hotel since yesterday. In social media, the young woman is been attacked and, since yesterday, the hashtag #EstupradadeTaubate (implying that she was fakely raped) tops Twitter's trending topics (in Brazil).
Najila spoke about the accusations that she has been receiving in social media. "Am I a freeloader because I have a rent and college debt? Who hasn't had a debt before?"
"It's easier to call me a slut and that's it, case closed. And you want to know what's going to happen? I'll be killed and it'll be said that it was suicide, that I was lying and life goes on. Women will keep getting raped and treated like garbage!!!!!"
There is more on the BuzzFeed article.
We don't know for sure if it was after the Instagram post by him. Once again, stop playing true detective.
And this isn't about proving beyond unreasonable doubt, this is about an woman that was allegedly raped by a very powerful man that has turned her life a living hell. A court of law will decide on that, not the court of public opinion. Not Twitter. Until Neymar went and exposed her name, she wasn't speaking to the press, she went through the proper channels to file a proper police report on what she says that has happened to her.
Countless times, people like you doubt women that say that were raped. When they come to the press instead of filing a police report, you would say why she did that instead of filing a police report. When they do it through proper channels, using due process, you say that they are lying anyway. This has absolutely nothing to do with proving beyond unreasonable doubt that she was or wasn't raped. We are the court of public opinion, not a court of law. I believe her, and I hope she finds strength and bravery to persevere against the hell she's been put through.
With all of that just said, I just wanna express that I gave a lot of thought on this reply to you because I'm both appalled and disgusted with your obvious lack of empathy with an woman that was quite likely raped by a powerful and rich man that even if unlikely condemned, it will never suffer anything like she is going though on her entire life. People like you are worth of pity, and it makes me depressed that in 2019, your way of seeing life is getting more and more popular.
Do you have a problem with people sucking cock? And what Lula has to do with anything here?
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Regardless if she's lying or telling the truth, nobody deserve to suffer what she's (her and the other woman who has the same name) suffering. Death threats, constant fear, being exposed with all the internet judging and affecting even her son. Neymar, Datena and Neymar Father needs to suffer severe consequences from that.
From what was talked, I'm pretty sure they will be accused of revenge porn. Also Datena broke secrecy of the case by exposing her name.
Powerful statement. But everyone will be quick to hush her and ignore anything the victim said.
In which country do you live? That's not the case in Brazil. Many rape convicts are raped in jails by their inmates. Obviously it won't happen to Neymar, but consequences are real to many of them.
Yes, Neymar definitely will be accused for the CP 218-C. A civil lawsuit should obviously follow.
My hope is - at least - women coming around their senses and understanding that this can happen with anyone of them. Men get a lot easier than women, and it's crazy how people are reacting to what happened to Najila. She is sex positive, knows what she wants, wanted to fuck Neymar, not get raped by him. Her crime is being someone with sexual maturity and well, an woman. You can't be an woman and like sex: if you like sex and you are an woman, you can't say no for a situation that you'd understandably not be comfortable with. He paid her trip, right? She waited for him in a bathrobe, just fuck him and be pleased that it even happened. She was asking for it... right? That's unfortunately the mindset of most Brazilians, including a lot of those that are commenting on this here.
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Yeah, let's be fair here, he did hurt himself. Maybe it's karma.
The same away people ignore physical evidence and take cheap talk as gospel. Whatever pushes their narrative.
Pulling, hard grabbing, bitting, choking, slapping, scratching etcs
Okay, that's fair. Do you understand that this without consent and with the person asking you to stop is rape, right? That's exactly what she is saying it happened: they were without condoms, she said that at least at that opportunity they would only make out and then he turned her and raped her with her saying "no", "stop". That my friend, is rape, not rough sex.
I was answering Haee's question only, without having read the whole thread. Im not a criminal lawyer (much less a Brazilian one) but in England the definition of rape is basically penetration without consent. The scenario described in your post above opens up the possibility of assualt or sexual assault, if for example the lady was fine with the pentration but not the extras. It appears that in your post she didnt want to have sex without a condom and he penetrated anyway so that is rape.
Also just to say i havent said neymar or guilty or the girl is a liar and am just watching events as they unfold
Also just to say i havent said neymar or guilty or the girl is a liar and am just watching events as they unfold
There was penetration without her consent, according to her. She wanted to fuck him, but not without condoms. He said that and kept making out, then he turns her and rapes her, with her asking to stop and saying no, while him pounded her ass. That's rape.
Rape in Brazil is considered any libidinous act without the person consent. It doesn't necessarily involves penetration.
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Yes. After a bunch of nudes and sexting (and a trip from Brazil to Paris), she was allegedly raped by Neymar on their first meeting. The day after the rape, she texted him like nothing happened, talking about how good it was, how much she wants to have sex with him again, asking for a gift for her child (!), and so on... But it was all a trap to catch Neymar on video raping her again. During this new meeting, she asks for a beating, and since Neymar was unwilling to comply, she started to beat him instead.
She got back to Brazil and 15 days later, after her lawyer failed to reach an financial agreement with Neymar's lawyers for an aggression perpetrated by the player, she filled a police report accusing Neymar of rape (and not only aggression), something that surprised even her (ex) lawyer.
She said Neymar raped her because she didn't want to have sex with him without condoms (the risk of getting pregnant by a millionaire).
Oh. She went through a physical examination by the police and no evidence of injury was found (beyond a hurt finger). She's also refusing to go back to the police to provide further explanations (she prefers to talk with TV stations).
By the way, there are police reports saying she attempted to kill her ex-husband with a knife. It seems she have no profession and is passing through a lot of financial difficulties (including an eviction order).
But some people are asking us to believe her, no matter what, and to consider Neymar a rapist. Sure.
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