Doesn't matter how "keen" she was beforehand if she changed her mind and communicated that to him, at whatever point. No idea if that's the case, of course.
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Neymar accused of rape
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Doesn't matter how "keen" she was beforehand if she changed her mind and communicated that to him, at whatever point. No idea if that's the case, of course.
Welp
She seemed to have been keen before and after, with no hint of abuse the day after the assault allegedly took place.
Just click on the link you quoted and read the tweets if you want to know if that's the case?
She was very keen even after their encounter and the alleged rape.
It's not about intelligence.
It's about being a powerful predator and using other people's bodies as your personal plaything to be discarded knowing you can get away with it.
yeah, youre right, i completely forgot about 88. flags all the stuff in 7 cp too.
This might be true, but there are so many elements at play in situations like this.
A powerful person who you admire doing this to you and you don't quite understand what happened... are you wrong because you led them on? This person you admire couldn't possibly hurt you... it must be in your head, you're being silly! They're your friend still, of course they are... and even if they did hurt you, they were drunk and didn't mean it...
The power plays, self-guilt, traumas... it's too complex to be able to point at tweets that make it look like a person was fine with something and say that's evidence it wasn't rape.
I read it. We don't and can't know all the facts. Speaking as a lawyer, it's almost never possible to conclusively determine cases from just what the media put out.
As a lawyer, barring further changes evidence she may provide, do you think is there any chance a court of law would declare Neymar guilty of rape, given the evidence he provided that shows she was eager for sex before and after their encounter?
What a surprise..
I hope these people never get to experience the horror that is to be accused of rape (that they are sure is 100% false) and have everyone in the world just instantly asking for their head, no questions asked no doubt about it.
Except if you compare this thread to the r/soccer thread about this same subject (with a much higher post count) you'll see the majority of posts from people avoiding jumping to conclusions. On fucking Reddit.
Might be anecdotal but it does kinda show the mindset of quite a lot of Resetera users.
I also hate that the jumped to conclusion crew still ignore that those cases are the minority. They act that this happen every day.
What cases are the minority? Rape does happen every day at scary amounts.
False accusations are in the extreme minority.
No except. This is not a hive mind. Use your voice to counter things if you think there's imbalance.
The mindset of "i'll refresh the thread until more info is out and if the allegation looks likely, probably say nothing, but if the allegation is questionable, broadly criticize the forum" that a lot of users have is also dumb.
Yeah I'm just confused at how it was worded. Because it was saying that this stuff is the minority (and it is), but also blaming people for jumping to conclusions.
sorry, I´m was trying to say the idea of false rape reports with celebrities, not Rape cases. We still doesn´t know with this one, but it´s not wrong to trust the possible victim with the first informations
Should be in the rules. Every time a person says "Era thinks... " or "Era says.." they should be banned for life, for all i care. Happens all the time here. Aggravatig and idiotic.
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There are certain topics in which you are not allowed to question the circumstances or statements given by the "victims" without eating a ban. Pretty much when it comes to rape or hate crime accusations its open season to trash the accused before any evidence is seen or the accused gets due process and often questioning the evidence or suggesting that someone is lying gets you banned. That's in stark contrast to other topics such as shootings where every page you have mods and "prominent members" preaching to not post any suspect information or opinions until the facts come out from reputable sources. So it gives the perception that era condones jumping to conclusions when it comes to certain topics but not others.
Nope, this is not even close to true.
People are banned/warned when they outright dismiss things that are real concerns, what you're suggesting is the usual dishonest anti-Era noise.
It's super pathetic when people like yourself try to frame this place that way. This doesn't happen, unless you're talking about people being banned for things like outright bigotry as "banning for different opinion".
You are incredibly dishonest.
Yep, I'm really sick of it. These people rarely ever have receipts. Just vague "era this or era that" posts. It's interesting that people supposedly interested in critical thought are so quick to generalize and paint with such a wide brush. In most threads lately, there's more posts bitching about era outrage culture or people's early thread opinions than anything.
What's tends to rub me the wrong way is how these people tend run in and behave as if a post or two on this board saying fuck (a potential rapist) is really the worst thing in the world. I even checked and there are maybe two posts saying fuck the guy and then general discussion regarding the accusation before someone goofball comes around with the "era lept to conclusions" as if we're going to personally go lock him up.
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From what i see from the tweets she is basically trying to get exposure and money. I hate Neymar but it seems that he is innocent on this.
There's a constant framing of "waiting to hear more about the story" to "not believing the victim". From the top of my head it happened regarding the case between Johnny Deep and Amber Heard as well as with Jussie Smollett. I'm sure I can find other exemples if I look deep enough but that's a prevalent sentiment albeit coming from good intentions.
Just be aware that it's not always clear from a person's behaviour that they're being false.
So many dynamics and power plays involved in rape cases that a person can seem willing on the surface, even behaving in public like they're fine, when it was actively a matter of rape.
Is the woman still persuing this? If so, it's not 100% clear either way.
I can be wrong of course, and Im not trying to defende any type of rape here but with the information that we have atm, specially reading directly from the portuguese wording, it seems like a tipical extorsion tentative of a celebrity.
If that's how you feel seeing all evidence. Personally, I know rape victims and understand just how complex their relationships can be with their abusers while coming to terms with their abuse, so I'm not willing to make the call on that... either way, tbh,
I think "believe the victim" should mean "take any accusation seriously" not "demonize the accused".
When we know that false accusations are very rare, that patriarchal society is set to support men more than women, and how much backlash there still is to equality (see the ridiculous oppositions to #metoo), I fully understand if people are sick of victims not being supported and people getting away with horrific shit because they're powerful and might not be as open to this idea. I fully understand any backlash.
I don't think people calling to wait for more evidence before cancelling a person is a bad thing, but it is also true that that is quite often entwined with dismissal of legitimate concerns and the weight of statistics.
I understand the mindset and like I said, I know that it's coming from a good place but it seem to have slowly gone towards "the accuser is always right" which can be a bit problematic regarding discourse here.
If the text messages were literally the only evidence, which has never been and would never be the only evidence in a rape case, then no. But that's a fictional scenario.
I'm just saying people shouldn't jump to conclusions either way.
Once I was wrongly accused of abuse from my ex girlfriend. So I ALWAYS wait for the story to develop before making judgement of the situation.
I'm brazilian, so nothing is lot in translation. That said, It's pretty clear with the messages that Neymar is innocent.
He is being mocked by the whole country right now, but at least he proved his innocence
After he sent her a booty shot that he took after sex, she says that she wants to fuck with him 3 more times. On that day alone.
And in the day after they have a normal conversation, and she asks for him to visit again.
Look for a translation somewhere, guys
I'm brazilian, so nothing is lot in translation. That said, It's pretty clear with the messages that Neymar is innocent.
He is being mocked by the whole country right now, but at least he proved his innocence
After he sent her a booty shot that he took after sex, she says that she wants to fuck with him 3 more times. On that day alone.
And in the day after they have a normal conversation, and she asks for him to visit again.
Look for a translation somewhere, guys
Seems fairly clear cut to me that she's making this up to extort him. The real evidence is the messages she sent after they had sex, where she's eager to go for another round (or three) and there appears to be no uneasiness between the two of them at all.
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I don't like Neymar. If he's guilty I hope he is severely punished and that he doesn't play football anymore in clubs. He has nothing to do in a footabll if he is convicted.
But let's see how the investigation goes. Let's not jump to early conclusions. But I guess if an investgations was opened that means the police must have some material or evidences. Let's see how this play out.
I guess this explains why he was stripped of the captaincy recently.
But let's see how the investigation goes. Let's not jump to early conclusions. But I guess if an investgations was opened that means the police must have some material or evidences. Let's see how this play out.
I guess this explains why he was stripped of the captaincy recently.
Naw, i bet it was a direct result of his altercation with a fan back in late April at the French Final...and they (PSG) ended up losing on penalties.
True but this happened like 2 weeks ago. Maybe the Brazilian federation knew this investigation was coming and they made the move.
CBF wouldn't care about that to strip him of his captaincy.
Yeah he is innocent. The conversations are pretty clear. It even shows the conversation after the day they had sex and she actually wanted to see him again. Anyone that knows portuguese can clearly understand it.
I think people should be more restrained with topics like this.
The first page is embarassing. A rape acusation can literally destroy someones life if it is not true, so good thing Neymar was very open about it.
I think people should be more restrained with topics like this.
The first page is embarassing. A rape acusation can literally destroy someones life if it is not true, so good thing Neymar was very open about it.
My thoughts as well, If those texts don't clear him of any wrong doing then I don't know what will.
Neymar denies rape accusation, releases texts and nude photos sent between him and alleged victim: deadsp.in/kSCKU6Q
"Releasing nudes of the person accusing you of rape" sure is a strategy.
She makes him the hottest story of the weekend with an acusation of rape and now HE has to show her simpathy for HER intimacy?
Come on.
It is not like it is even explicit since he blurred them.
I'm not gonna sit here and tell she's some innocent victim, more that it's a profoundly bad idea and probably falls under revenge porn.
Revenge porn? She accuses him of rape. You can't get a more serious allegation other than murder.
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