-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
- Thread starter Transistor
- Start date
- Status
Yes, because of the careful wording many might not read in detail.This isnt tech related so I dont know if this is the right thread for this, and if it isn't i appologize. But has anyone noticed the engagement numbers for this unveiling on twitter are horrendously low?
That is kinda low.. but I think more people drone around Insta these days.This isnt tech related so I dont know if this is the right thread for this, and if it isn't i appologize. But has anyone noticed the engagement numbers for this unveiling on twitter are horrendously low?
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1231942057393967108?s=20
I think.
They didnt even post it on insta. I checked. Maybe because they got clowned after the PS5 reveal broke records on there?
Nope. That game was poorly reviewed, and with good reason. An end of the generation game that had some glorious looking premium cars mixed in with a whole load PS2 game assets.
The game did not do well, and with good reason.
So let's see where we stand. At this point when we factor in the info provided by various insiders it seems evident that the PS5 will be somewhere between 11 and 13 TF now that we know the figure of the XSX. Beyond that we still have the mystery of the RAM in the PS5, and I'm still thinking HBM2 has a decent chance of making an appearance there. RAM quantity is still another question mark for both boxes. The SSD speeds are still a mystery for both machines. The CPUs will probably be the same, give or take some minor clock differences. We'll have to see how the RT solutions differ, obviously there will be some differences since MS are using hardware accelerated Direct X RT.
We know from Jim Ryan that there are other big, unannounced things, wonder what they could be. My guesses...
HBM RAM
Full BC with the entire PS family
Remastering engine for the above full BC
ReRAM (never give up hope!)
AI assistant
You can daisy chain multiple PS5's for ULTIMATE POWER!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
We know from Jim Ryan that there are other big, unannounced things, wonder what they could be. My guesses...
HBM RAM
Full BC with the entire PS family
Remastering engine for the above full BC
ReRAM (never give up hope!)
AI assistant
You can daisy chain multiple PS5's for ULTIMATE POWER!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
The original post of that tweet chain as of this post hasThis isnt tech related so I dont know if this is the right thread for this, and if it isn't i appologize. But has anyone noticed the engagement numbers for this unveiling on twitter are horrendously low?
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1231942057393967108?s=20
7.1K Retweets and 30K Likes.
I might be in the vast minority here...but my short expedition into PC gaming the past few months has made me realize that I value responsiveness, smoothness and low loading times over visuals. I'm still a console person at heart due to its simplicity but I'd really like to see 2 things come to Xbox Series X that we can't seem to even find rumors on.
Monday's announcement had my most excited about
- Widescreen support - give me 1480P widescreen on a fast monitor over 4K on the Oled for most games.
- Keyboard and mouse (as an option) standard. I still prefer controller for shooters. Keyboard and mouse is great when I'm doing heavy menu stuff or playing a strategy game. Also no reason not to have Age of Empires on consoles.
Monday's announcement had my most excited about
- Instant resume
- 120 fps talk (makes me think we can't choose it)
- More responsive controllers/less latency
- Ray traced sound
There was none to steal. TLOU performed as it did for the main reason that it was a classic. The others? Not so much.
Been a GT fan since the beginning... and I was angry Sony did/allowed that. Was expecting a HD Remaster of it too for PS4, that didn't come either.
See this is the shit that doesn't make sense. Who cares what box sells more or has greater influence. I was PS4 day one because that was the premium console. If the Xbox series X is the premium console this time around that's where I'm going. Bunch of sheep man. I want the best tech and Xbox is clearly stepping their game up. Game pass, studios, consumer friendly practices, and more power? I can wait on the ps5 for a bit.This isnt tech related so I dont know if this is the right thread for this, and if it isn't i appologize. But has anyone noticed the engagement numbers for this unveiling on twitter are horrendously low?
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1231942057393967108?s=20
Not on Insta? That seriously is weird. Cant say why they did or didn't upload it there, but I think from a numbers perspective, Xbox isn't as popular outside the US as Nintendo or Playstation, but Im sure their new messaging would get more exposure as they gear up for E3..
Ideas? No. Buyer intent, absolutely. It's one the biggest factors marketers look at these days. Call of Duty had a video that was massively downvoted on youtube and they retooled the entire pay structure of it. This stuff matters, even if it seems silly.
By the way "Remastering Engine" is kinda confirmed for Series X tho, quoting the official article:
Edit: added quotation marks.
Polyphony Digital really dropped the ball with what has always been a system seller for me. Last great game they had was GT4 in terms of content, and uniform product at launch.
The content on Sport at launch too was absolutely shocking.
I don't care which box sells more. That doesn't make this information not relevant though. Interest in a product is important.
I do think customers not being interested in one of them is bad for the entire industry. I want a healthy Nintendo, Sony and MS. And google and amazon for that matter. Im all for socialism in my human services but give me good ol capitalist competition in my videogames.
I think that's more like the enhanced BC they already employ with the X. The remastering engine rumor was that they'd utilize AI upscaling to improve textures, resolution, frame rate and whatnot, so that seems to take it a step further.
Just a reminder, AI is no snake oil, you can't magically pull higher detail out of thin air, aged games will look aged.
Yes. And if memory serves me right, that was only the second racing game that Sony put out this generation. The only simulation game, an established behemoth. I expected it to do better.
That's because your calculation is unreliable. That's not how it works. There's no Flops converters between architectures. And it doesn't take into account that doubling flops doesnt mean doubling performances. VEGA64 wasn't 2 times faster than RX 580 for instance + coding to the metal ? I think people should drop that line nowadays.
Don't think this gen vs. next gen, think now vs. later. Sony has huge, generation-defining products (they hope) coming in April and May. That's what they want all our eyeballs on, not something that's coming six months or more after. None of the titles you mention have the level of sales expectation as those titles except possibly Halo, and that's Q4. Which is why Microsoft is more willing to focus on Q4. That's where their big guns are.
It's not spin, it's basic business sense. Responding to "Sony isn't talking about PS5 now because they have huge games coming out in April and May" with "Well Microsoft has Wasteland 3, and they're talking about XSX!" is spin. Wasteland 3 isn't even in the same ballpark as TLOU2 or FFVII in terms of marketing importance. Not even remotely, and I think you know that. I don't know why you would even bring it up.
"Coding to the metal" sure is good sounding to people who've never coded before ;-)
Not a single mention of games in this post.
Do you buy a console and just look at it, purring over it's specs?
But they can look better. Red Dead Redemption or Gears 3 look great in 4k. If for example Arkham Knight or GTA V will run in higher res on Series X, it could be a important feature
He/She did mention games. Game Pass. Not needing to spend hundreds of dollars for $60 games is a huge benefit, especially for price-sensitive consumers. If Lockhart is priced at $299-$399 and bundle with 3-6 months worth of Game Pass, then they have a big draw to the platform.
XSX at $499 with GPU and unlimited access to over 250 games is better value than PS5 at $399 with only 1-3 games.
AI enhancement seems to produce some nice results based on this thread:
AI Neural Networks being used to generate HQ textures for older games (You can do it yourself!)
Credit to Christian Ledig, Lucas Theis, Ferenc Huszar, Jose Caballero, Andrew Cunningham, Alejandro Acosta, Andrew Aitken, Alykhan Tejani, Johannes Totz, Zehan Wang, Wenzhe Shi/Arxiv on their paper about Photo-Realistic Single Image Super-Resolution Using a Generative Adversarial Network. I...
www.resetera.com
If HipHopGamer is to be believed then Sony's been working on this remastering engine since 2012 or so. I dunno if it's supposed to remaster titles on the fly or if Sony uses the AI to enhance the games and you then download those enhancements though. I imagine the latter would give a more consistent experience for all players.
EDIT.
Plus Sony does have a patent for something like this
It is all about strategy. Microsoft has traditionally got their biggest games out going into calendar year Q4. Sony has a lot in the earlier months of the year. This does not mean that other months do not have that same importance. It all depends on what the strategy is, and when it comes to Microsoft, even that is something that will change going forward.
You'll get no argument from me. And that's a perfect explanation why Microsoft would be willing to start talking about XSX now, while Sony would hold off.
It doesn't mean the PS5 project is in disarray. It just means Sony has other priorities right now, and Microsoft really doesn't. They're all in on Q4. They don't really have any other huge products to talk about until then, so it makes sense for them to start their next-gen marketing cycle earlier.
(To say nothing of the whole market-leader-versus-hungry-challenger thing.)
User Banned (1 day): Astroturfing, history of antagonizing other members.
Game Pass is a service, not content.
Second, this is the same Game Pass coupled with dirt cheap consoles (one of which is the most powerful on offer today) that has drawn millions into the Xbox ecosystem since launch?
Not to mention the miracle of your not being banned for the endless astroturfing you do here.
Microsoft already has the crown of power and the edge on price for three years, without tangible influence on their marketshare.
Because it's neither a baseball match nor a zero sum game, but more a car race.
So for the next round they will surely compete with a better car than the previous One, but on a lower starting line.
(and with a potential sandbag called Lockhart, but it's to early to brag about it)
Last edited:
Sony was talking about the PS5 last year. They may have their reasons for not talking about hardware, but history has shown us that good games will sell regardless.
VRS as is in DX12 / Vulkan spec is a tweak to MSAA.
The image/heatmap which can be used to tweak MSAA rate for tiles is developer controllable and you can create it from previous frames and etc. (So you notice too much variance in spatial or time add more resolution.)
Best presentations on subjects I have found.
https://software.intel.com/en-us/vi...the-user-experience-in-real-time-game-engines
As far as I know, current VRS implementations are only for pixel shaders, not compute etc.
It's also good to remember that ray tracing is not as constrained by pixel grid than rasterization, so there could be better ways to do VRS like techniques. (texture space, stochastic etc.)
Last edited:
Generating higher-res textures is only party of the story, how to sample them is another. Most of Sony's past platforms use grotesque hardware that are hard to emulate, changing the sampler behaviour may at best result in glitches during gameplay or at worst outright impossible. It's a question whether Sony has the technical power to pull this off, by how they approached PS4's platform security, I seriously doubt it.AI enhancement seems to produce some nice results based on this thread:
AI Neural Networks being used to generate HQ textures for older games (You can do it yourself!)
Credit to Christian Ledig, Lucas Theis, Ferenc Huszar, Jose Caballero, Andrew Cunningham, Alejandro Acosta, Andrew Aitken, Alykhan Tejani, Johannes Totz, Zehan Wang, Wenzhe Shi/Arxiv on their paper about Photo-Realistic Single Image Super-Resolution Using a Generative Adversarial Network. I...
If HipHopGamer is to be believed then Sony's been working on this remastering engine since 2012 or so. I dunno if it's supposed to remaster titles on the fly or if Sony uses the AI to enhance the games and you then download those enhancements though. I imagine the latter would give a more consistent experience for all players.
EDIT.
Plus Sony does have a patent for something like this
Obviously games are inferred? "Game" pass, "game" studios? And what is wrong with "purring" over the specs? Is this literally not a next gen spec thread?
User Banned (1 Week): Hostility, previous ban for hostility.
Of course this clown appears around the launch of new consoles looking for another 15 mins spreading Xbox fud. Wonder what it will be this time? Yield issues? Oh 'engagement numbers'. How's the website going?
Well we shall see. They've obviously been looking into it given their patent history. They might offer users the option to either play the older games in native mode or enhanced, or even let you toggle specific enhancements, who knows. Any number of ways things could play out.
Erm, what? The PS5 dev kits aren't exactly tiny. You might need to explain this.
Be nice :)
If you feel a person's up to no good then I'm sure the mods would love to hear aboot it :)
Not to mention they gave other valid reasons. Some people are just ready to dig in.
If the PS5 is completely BC with the PS4, the core gamers will have their whole PS4 catalog to play as well as the exclusive PS5 games. Not sure about you but a PS5 Beast mode for say Spider-man or Bloodborne is itself a selling point to many.
I think it's worth mentioning and waiting to see what form PS Now will take with the next gen launch as well. I'm not expecting every first party day 1, but it seems certain that we'll see an evolution to the service for next gen.
- Status