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[DieH@rd]

You..... can't wait for low-resolution / low-framerate titles? I know we're doomed to never escape slideshow games because cinematic, but it's weird to be excited about it.

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I am waiting for games that will push the hardware to the max, and actually use assets that will push the visuals even higher by forcing devs to compromise on resolution on THIS hardware. By that time, there will be stronger PCs and stronger [midgen] consoles.

And IMO, native 4K is not needed throughout entire gen, checkerboard/temporal upscale techniques are more than good enough and they allow saving of so much performance.

 

[Neoxon]

If the PS5 actually was 9.x TF to the 12 TF XSX, Microsoft would be very aware of it, whether Sony "revealed" or not. Claiming "most powerful next gen console" would be simple, but instead there's the "our most powerful system" qualifier that keeps popping up.

They're simply not sure.

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Exactly that, & they can easily change the messaging if the PS5 turns out to be weaker.

 

[Vitamin_B_Complex]

You..... can't wait for low-resolution / low-framerate titles? I know we're doomed to never escape slideshow games because cinematic, but it's weird to be excited about it.

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They are saying that they want the best graphics (prettiest pixels) possible on these machines. 4K/60 means less graphical fidelity. It's a fair point and one I can get behind, even though I prefer 60.

I personally am Team never above 1440P. Upscaling techniques with better graphics or framerate is so much more important than native resolution nonsense. Especially considering how awesome upscaling tech is getting.

 

[Expy]

I would presume people at Microsoft already have access to a PS5 Dev-kit for the inevitable 'Minecraft PS5' port. In which case lawsuits for breaking NDA would go flying if they so much as sneezed a hint at these specs in any marketing materials.

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Doubtful. If they have anything it's probably prototype 1 at best.

 

[saintjules]

Is Microsoft's press release today the first official confirmation that the Series X has a 12 TF GPU?

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They mentioned 12TF GPU in the Gamespot article back in December, shortly after TGA. But it seems to be highlighted much more now, alongside the other specs.

 

[Hey Please]

Microsoft is really forcing Sony's hand here. They look confident enough in their specs to show it while details from your competitor have been scarce. Either the specs caught Sony by surprise and they are doing last-minute changes (RAM count, frequency bump from silicon optimization) or Sony feels it's a little early. I think it's the former.

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If Sony's specs are numerically inferior (at least for the ones that MS's publicly now shared) then you can bet your bottom dollar that their strategy will be to feature PS5 titles as tip of the marketing spear.

 

[Manmademan]

I would presume people at Microsoft already have access to a PS5 Dev-kit for the inevitable 'Minecraft PS5' port. In which case lawsuits for breaking NDA would go flying if they so much as sneezed a hint at these specs in any marketing materials.

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This would not qualify as "breaking NDA" because NDA's don't work that way. You aren't revealing anything about the Playstation 5. Only making a claim about your own system that will either hold up or not when Sony eventually launches their system.

honestly people.

Exactly that, & they can easily change the messaging if the PS5 turns out to be weaker.

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That's the thing, if the gap between the systems was 9.x to 12TF, microsoft would be well aware of it. "not sure" means that it's somewhere close- and in that case you don't make definitive claims because they can backfire on you. They certainly CAN change the messaging if the PS5 turns out to be the weaker of the two, but "not being sure" at this point means that whatever the PS5 is, it's DEFINITELY not 9.xTF.

 

[jbug617]

 

[UraMallas]

It's not official until Brad Sams confirms it in a YT video 😂

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This is correct, imo

 

[Consequence]

We don't know anything much about RDNA 2, right? Just that it has some improvements?

 

[CosmicBolt]

So series x is using RDNA 2. The rumors that said series x using RDNA 1 or RDNA 1.5 just became wrong.

PS5 most likely using RDNA 2 since it has hardware RT.

 

[Deleted member 5028]

Yep. This kills the "PS5 is 9.x TF" argument stone dead.

The PS5 is either stronger than the XSX, or close enough that MS simply isn't sure. That wouldn't be the case with a 9.x TF to 12TF power gap.

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Or, they're not being cocky about it? This says nothing about PlayStation but it could also be that they are w slightly weaker machine

 

[Afro_DusT]

Well, what will be the power level of Series X at the end of 2020 when AMD and Nvidia release new batch of 7nm[+] GPUs?

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Still incredible because consoles leverage the hardware they do have extremely well.

 

[ILikeFeet]

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hopefully they'll talk more at GDC

 

[Deleted member 4976]

This is an amazing goalpost move, one that completely disregards basic reading comprehension. This isn't unofficial information. Its about the most comprehensive set of information regarding the technical specifications of the machine you can get beyond an actual specs list.

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*shrugs* No goalpost has been moved. Sorry, I see two different independent clauses which gives me pause. It's part of my profession to be skeptical of such clauses, so I remain skeptical.

I've already said I'd throw in the towel with something a little bit more definitive. But as of now, I see an official confirmation of unofficial information where my entire basis was on the way the information was presented.

 

[Maple]

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Sounds like more is coming before E3.

E3 will probably be all about the games, and they'll continue to tell us more and more about the console leading up to that.

 

[Deleted member 8784]

This would not qualify as "breaking NDA" because NDA's don't work that way. You aren't revealing anything about the Playstation 5. Only making a claim about your own system that will either hold up or not when Sony eventually launches their system.

honestly people.

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I can already tell in advance that you're one of the people who will struggle more if the PS5 spec's don't line up in the same way.

While I was only theorising of course, saying "our specs will be the highest this winter" is absolutely making a statement that some lawyer somewhere would try and claim is based off having access to sensitive information - because otherwise, how would you know?

Doubtful. If they have anything it's probably prototype 1 at best.

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Minecraft is one of the biggest games on PlayStation. That's why I would theorise that Microsoft have access to a dev-kit already. How on earth do you qualify your statement? And what's that got to do with whether there'd be an NDA around it or not?

 

[AwakenedCloud]

So how many flops is 12TF RDNA2 in comparison to our current console GCN flops? Hope I'm getting my verbiage right...

 

[JimD]

Both competitors know the ballpark of their systems by now. Many, many many people are aware- they're just not going to broadcast that information publicly.



Again- it's nonsensical. This is business, not high school sports. If there's a marketing advantage to be had, you leverage it. And saying "The XSX is the most powerful next gen console" isn't "revealing Sony's specs."

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Yes, it IS business. And like all businesses, if your lawyers push back on claims like this you have to scale them back. I've literally been in meetings where our house counsel made us alter expensive marketing materials because we made claims about a competitor's product that we KNEW were true but they hadn't announced yet. There's nothing definitive about carefully qualified statements... yet.

 

[RingRang]

Yep. This kills the "PS5 is 9.x TF" argument stone dead.

The PS5 is either stronger than the XSX, or close enough that MS simply isn't sure. That wouldn't be the case with a 9.x TF to 12TF power gap.

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This seems like some wishful thinking. Microsoft might have a good idea, but not be certain, so they're going to choose their words carefully for now. Microsoft is trying to show humility these days. The last thing you're going to see from them is loud and aggressive boasting about how great they or their box are.

 

[Deleted member 12635]

I'm genuinely surprised AMD was cool with them confirming an unannounced product.

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AMD used an unofficial render of Xbox Series X at CES. Maybe that is why LOL

 

[LebGuns]

Wow, welp might have to get an Xbox now.

 

[FF Seraphim]

*shrugs* No goalpost has been moved. Sorry, I see two different independent clauses which gives me pause. It's part of my profession to be skeptical of such clauses, so I remain skeptical.

I've already said I'd throw in the towel with something a little bit more definitive. But as of now, I see an official confirmation of unofficial information where my entire basis was on the way the information was presented.

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Multiple official Xbox Tweets have confirmed 12tf...how much more definite do you want to get?

 

[Klaw]

MS confirmed a lot today, in a good way, and still Sony is silent since months.

Moreover, they withdraw from PAX East and more importantly from GDC. I was wondering since some weeks now, but I was still pretty sure they would reveal the PS5 before any news from MS... I'm not so confident about the PS5 specs anymore, especially now that we have the confirmation XSX is an absolute beast.

In the end, games will matter the most, but if remaining silent was not so bad until now, I really think they need to reveal something sooner than later to break the "MS momentum".

 

[UraMallas]

Tom Warren did say another event is coming before E3. In Spring.

 

[TibimusPrime]

It's not official until Brad Sams confirms it in a YT video 😂

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This is correct, imo

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:)

 

[Deleted member 4976]

Multiple official Xbox Tweets have confirmed 12tf...how much more definite do you want to get?

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How about folks don't tag me for my take if they don't know or understand the entire reason I held a differing view?

 

[space_nut]

OMG I'm dripping wet wet turn into a pool

So this is like 14-15tf gcn man this machine is a beast :)

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Yes, it IS business. And like all businesses, if your lawyers push back on claims like this you have to scale them back. I've literally been in meetings where our house counsel made us alter expensive marketing materials because we made claims about a competitor's product that we KNEW were true but they hadn't announced yet. There's nothing definitive about carefully qualified statements... yet.

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Yet they did that very thing with XBOX X before PS4pro was official or out .

 

[Transistor]

That is one damn beefy console, and I'm not gonna lie, I kinda like the shade thrown about "transparency."

Makes my little contest all the jucier.

 

[tomwarren]

RDNA 2 to boot!

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Let's see if Lockhart is still at 4TF.

 

[TooLive]

If the PS5 actually was 9.x TF to the 12 TF XSX, Microsoft would be very aware of it, whether Sony "revealed" or not. Claiming "most powerful next gen console" would be simple, but instead there's the "our most powerful system" qualifier that keeps popping up.

They're simply not sure.

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Supposition! Your logic is flawed...

 

[AegonSnake]

Microsoft is really forcing Sony's hand here. They look confident enough in their specs to show it while details from your competitor have been scarce. Either the specs caught Sony by surprise and they are doing last-minute changes (RAM count, frequency bump from silicon optimization) or Sony feels it's a little early. I think it's the former.

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tbh, they have been doing this since 2018. they have been super confident through out and the game award reveal was something straight out of sony's book. ballsy, confident and bold. releasing specs in february when everyone else was expecting something from sony is just the cherry on top.

they have really turned their PR game around. its time to show off the games now.

as for Sony. i really dont want to get banned on such a momentous day.

 

[Thera]

In what world is that toxic masculinity?
It's a figure of speech

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In this world.
You can't hide behind "figure of speech". Most of them are full of rascisms and sexims, that's THE problem.
In that sepcific case, this is toxic masculinity because that implied "boys" are in charge, this is them who step up.
Don't get me wrong, that's far from the worst, but this is still part of the problem. Now you know, the choice is yours to continue using it or not.

 

[disco_potato]

Hum, RDNA 2. that is very interesting.

What has that Xbox inisder that said that Xbox has not using rdna 2?

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Can you imagine? On 7nm/rdna1, the die would've been nearly 2x the size of a 5700xt. w0w

 

[MrPink]

Again, I'll point out he said the TF number AFTER multiple MS insiders had already been yelling it from the rooftops for weeks including our very own Tom Warren who was not believed at the time. Until, for some reason, an anonymous insider (Klee) also said it was the case. If anything, the 12TF comment from Klee was the one I would point to FIRST as an educated guess out of anything he's said.

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I could be mis-remembering but I don't recall anyone other than Klee saying the TFs are actually very slightly higher than 12 other than Klee. Yes I know this came after others were saying 12 TFs, all I'm saying is that IF that were to be confirmed and it's a bit higher than 12 TF on the dot, that would lend some additional credibility to him. Again it wouldn't necessarily mean it validates every little thing he's said.

 

[KOHIPEET]

To me (and let me emphasize, to me) this officially ends the "silently confident Sony".

One of the big players are very transparent, confident in their product, sharing new concrete information about it while the other says they're not ready to share yet.

I can't help myself, but feel Sony will fuck up this time.

On the other hand, I'm glad the Series X will be this powerful of a machine as that means I probably won't have to build a PC (I will wait and see Nvidia's offering though) and just buy the xsx.

 

[Achillias]

Holy fucking shit, well fucking done Microsoft. I don't care how much it will cost, definitely going to get one on releasedate. 12 TF FTW 😄.

 

[FF Seraphim]

Let's see if Lockhart is still at 4TF.

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Do you still think the PS5 will be weaker than the XSX? That is why they are waiting to see how MS prices it?

 

[Welfare]

So like every sensible person thought, the Series X is 12TF.

lol rip GCN comparisons

 

[Firima]

At this point, both consoles could be within a TF of each other and it wouldn't matter; they'd both be so powerful that either one would be a solid choice because we're not having to decide which one is the lesser compromise. That said, if PS5 was similar or more powerful, they wouldn't be pulling out of conferences and saying nothing at all. They would've put out little tidbits to steal Microsoft's thunder already.

Still, I gotta say: clicking "show ignored content" and reading through the last half dozen pages has been the most entertaining thing I've seen on site in months. Never change, speculation thread. Never change.

 

[Manmademan]

I can already tell in advance that you're one of the people who will struggle more if the PS5 spec's don't line up in the same way.

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This is not something I'm all that invested in, outside of the intellectual exercise. I'm buying the PS5 either way. The XSX almost certainly not no matter what the specs are.

While I was only theorising of course, saying "our specs will be the highest this winter" is absolutely making a statement that some lawyer somewhere would try and claim is based off having access to sensitive information - because otherwise, how would you know?

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The specifications of both machines are common knowledge by everyone making next gen games and has been for months now. Our "insiders" were having conversations with devs a very long time ago that confirmed this. Gaming journalists were having conversations that confirmed this. Microsoft wouldn't need "access to sensitive information" to know if there was a significant power gap between the two systems, it would be common knowledge.

None of these people are going to write an article or post that info on a message board, but claiming microsoft would have "no idea" that the PS5 was significantly less powerful than their own system by now is a strange assertion.

 

[Sprat]

Can you give a name of a game as an example?
I generally play my games on PC 1440p/120. The games are just way more responsive and smooth. Going back to 30fps hurts.

Be it open world - AC Odyssey, Action Horror - RE2, or Souls - DS3.

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Phantom pain for example feels much better at 30. At 60 or higher it feels as though you are skating on ice. The controls feel far too loose.

The movement also looks really artificial.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

tbh, they have been doing this since 2018. they have been super confident through out and the game award reveal was something straight out of sony's book. ballsy, confident and bold. releasing specs in february when everyone else was expecting something from sony is just the cherry on top.

they have really turned their PR game around. its time to show off the games now.

as for Sony. i really dont want to get banned on such a momentous day.

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So Sony talking about there next gen system first while there old one selling good is not showing them being confident ?
I want more info from Sony just like everyone else but MS has more to prove than them and they making the right moves.

 

[zedox]

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[Expy]

Minecraft is one of the biggest games on PlayStation. That's why I would theorise that Microsoft have access to a dev-kit already. How on earth do you qualify your statement? And what's that got to do with whether there'd be an NDA around it or not?

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Why do they need a PS5 DevKit if it needs to run on PS4, Switch, etc?

 

[Firmus_Anguis]

So like every sensible person thought, the Series X is 12TF.

lol rip GCN comparisons

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Exactly!! I've been waiting for this! No more stupid, irrational discussions about GCN TF...
Sony, it's your move! 😁

Man I almost need them both to be beasts at this point! Guess it's another thing Klee got right.

 

[Deleted member 4976]

So basically you want to argue in bad faith.

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Bad faith?

Cool.

 

[-Le Monde-]

Time for some reflection.

When next gen talk started, people were saying 8TF GCN was the most realistic scenario, and no ssd.

What a pleasant turn of events. 😋

 

[sjackso3]

I can already tell in advance that you're one of the people who will struggle more if the PS5 spec's don't line up in the same way.

While I was only theorising of course, saying "our specs will be the highest this winter" is absolutely making a statement that some lawyer somewhere would try and claim is based off having access to sensitive information - because otherwise, how would you know?

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I am an attorney who regularly deals with confidentiality clauses. I like nearly everyone on this forum have no idea what Sony's specs are. However, if MS was my client, and they did have access to confidential information, I would caution them from doing anything that could be construed as a leak because depending on the terms, it could be a breach of contract. That is assuming there is some type of development deal with Sony concerning Minecraft and PS5. With all that being said, I think it would be more likely they got info from a 3rd party and would not want to burn that developer, or maybe they really just don't know. Let's just wait to see what happens with Sony.