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Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

Voice commands are quite handy when driving and stuff but for console I've always preferred just using a controller.

DrKeo said:
If you've spent 300$, 400$ or 500$ on a GPU and 18 months later your GPU doesn't have a feature that is very prominent in every game that comes, you are definitely going to feel like you've been left behind. It doesn't really matter if your 5700 will still be able to run these games in lower res or settings. People don't spend 400$ on a GPU for playing games on medium with missing graphical features.

Some do.
Some just buy the best they can and upgrade when they absolutely need to.

I would not be surprised if a amd 590 can still play next gen games pretty well at 1080p

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

2Blackcats said:
PS4 already has that though, right?

I don't know how well it works but I don't see it as something Devs would be excited about anyway.

Really? What I meant was controlling features of the PS5 via voice, basically if the PS5 had an Alexa built in to the main console that you can tell to switch on/off, give commands etc. just by saying the command with your voice.

Don't think the PS4 has that, and it'l be more of a console feature rather than something developers will use.

2Blackcats · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Really? What I meant was controlling features of the PS5 via voice, basically if the PS5 had an Alexa built in to the main console that you can tell to switch on/off, give commands etc. just by saying the command with your voice.

Don't think the PS4 has that, and it'l be more of a console feature rather than something developers will use.

Controlling your system with voice recognition | PlayStation®4 User's Guide

PlayStation®4 Official User's Guide. Explains how to use the PS4™ system.

manuals.playstation.net

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
Voice commands are quite handy when driving and stuff but for console I've always preferred just using a controller.

Another good feature! say you lost your controller and say the dualshock 5 will have a built in speaker just like the dualshock 4, just say "Hey Playstation, i cant find the controller" and the console will play some loud music to the nearby registered controller telling you it's location.

lol i tell you the amount of times ive lost my controller somewhere in the living room...

elenarie · Feb 22, 2020

Almost two full months in. This year will be fun. :)

ILikeFeet · Feb 22, 2020

DrKeo said:
I doubt we are going to see next-gen games without RT. Developers like to use the whole buffalo, no one is going to leave the RT cores (or whatever AMD has) just sitting idle. If they won't use them for "RT effects", they will use them for hit detection, physics or improving existing raster effects like DOF or GI. RT is a toolset for developers, not an effect you throw in there.

I'm definitely crossing my fingers. though someone wants to be the first "native 8k" or "120fps" game, but those might be indies

2Blackcats · Feb 22, 2020

elenarie said:
Almost two full months in. This year will be fun. :)

Grrrr. Ha.

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Another good feature! say you lost your controller and say the dualshock 5 will have a built in speaker just like the dualshock 4, just say "Hey Playstation, i cant find the controller" and the console will play some loud music to the nearby registered controller telling you it's location.

lol i tell you the amount of times ive lost my controller somewhere in the living room...

How does one lose a controller? Unless u have little monsters around the house.

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

2Blackcats said:
Controlling your system with voice recognition | PlayStation®4 User's Guide

PlayStation®4 Official User's Guide. Explains how to use the PS4™ system.

manuals.playstation.net

To use voice commands, you'll need a headset, or you can use the microphones on your PlayStation®Camera.

Lets remove the middleman by adding the voice controller directly to the main console rather than using a pair of headphones or even using a Playstion camera, which im shocked still exist!

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
How does one lose a controller? Unless u have little monsters around the house.

Yep, annoying siblings....

This would make one helluva sales pitch to families buying a next gen console.

Deleted member 52190 · Feb 22, 2020

BitsandBytes said:
While nice I would hope Jim wouldn't claim such nice extras were "bigger differences" than e.g. a SSD.

I whould call that a major difference, because their current store is really bad.

Welfare said:
Lockhart is not releasing after the Series X. It'll be day and date with the X this holiday.

You don't launch a product like Lockhart a year after the Series X because devs just won't support it outright.

You can, because developers will support the one s in 2021, soo if they launch the lockhart by spring 2021 their is no problem.

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Yep, annoying siblings....

This would make one helluva sales pitch to families buying a next gen console.

I think it's effect on sales would be minimal, but it's an interesting idea nevertheless.

2Blackcats · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Lets remove the middleman by adding the voice controller directly to the main console rather than using a pair of headphones or even using a Playstion camera, which im shocked still exist!

I use the camera. Well, for VR.

I'm not a fan of voice control really.

Have it off on my phone but use the nest mini a bit.

ody · Feb 22, 2020

elenarie said:
Almost two full months in. This year will be fun. :)

when do you expect the reveal?

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

Snakeeee said:
I whould call that a major difference, because their current store is really bad.

You can, because developers will support the one s in 2021, soo if they launch the lockhart by spring 2021 their is no problem.

It would make sense as budget gamers could use x1s + xsx in 2020, however ms will want to get next gen installbase number high, as quickly as possible, if they launch Lockhart at launch there will be more next gen customer when the next gen only games start hitting.

Deleted member 52190 · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
It would make sense as budget gamers could use x1s + xsx in 2020, however ms will want to get next gen installbase number high, as quickly as possible, if they launch Lockhart at launch there will be more next gen customer when the next gen only games start hitting.

Nope, because the problem is not the ammount of type of consoles you launch but how much you can produce. That is the problem of the first year of a new console.

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

Now that i think about it, given that the series X kinda looks like an Alexa, (its squared cousin), what if Microsoft decides to add a quality speaker to the top of the console and turns the console into Microsoft own Alexa?

"Hey Xbox, play some music"
"Hey Xbox, load up Halo Infinite"
"Hey Xbox, suspend Halo and turn on Netflix"

You guys know damn well that someone at the design team over at Xbox must've put 2 an 2 together and noticed that the series X looks like an Alexa, a golden opportunity missed if Microsoft doesn't turn the millions of series X units it plans to sell into their own Alexa's two features (video game console and an AI assistant) in a single box.

DrKeo · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
Some do.
Some just buy the best they can and upgrade when they absolutely need to.

I would not be surprised if a amd 590 can still play next gen games pretty well at 1080p

Obviously Jensen said that to imply "buy the 2060 super, not the 5700XT". I mean, the 2060 super is just 5% under the 5700 XT, people who bought the 5700XT could have bought a 2060 RTX and had RT support. They cost the same, perform basically the same but one of them has RT cores. The whole thing was a response to the whole RT backlash NVIDIA got from the people in the community that doesn't understand RT. So it's less the price a consumer can pay and more an attempt to educate them that RT is going to be everywhere in 2020 and whoever thinks RT doesn't matter, is going to be "left behind" when the PS5 and XSX come out.

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

DrKeo said:
Obviously Jensen said that to imply "buy the 2070, not the 5700XT". I mean, the 2060 super is just 5% under the 5700 XT, people who bought the 5700XT could have bought a 2060 RTX and had RT support. They cost the same, perform basically the same but one of them has RT cores. The whole thing was a response to the whole RT backlash NVIDIA had from the people in the community that doesn't understand RT. So it's less the price a consumer can pay and more an attempt to educate them that RT is going to be everywhere in 2020 and whoever thinks RT doesn't matter, is going to be "left behind" when the PS5 and XSX come out.

I'm sorry I'm guilty of a thing I don't like, which is not reading full convos.
Yes I agree Nvidia cards are the better deal now.

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

2Blackcats said:
I use the camera. Well, for VR.

I'm not a fan of voice control really.

Have it off on my phone but use the nest mini a bit.

The feature can be optional, easy to switch of in the settings.

Anthony Hopkins said:
I think it's effect on sales would be minimal, but it's an interesting idea nevertheless.

idd hate losing the controller for a while

RoboPlato · Feb 22, 2020

Gemüsepizza said:
Maybe dedicated machine learning stuff? I think that's one of the features besides ray-tracing where AMD chips have been weak compared to nvidia, so maybe they have this in RDNA 1.5/2.

That's my best guess as well. Either that or some nice features for development efficiency or store benefits for devs and pubs.

disco_potato · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Lets remove the middleman by adding the voice controller directly to the main console rather than using a pair of headphones or even using a Playstion camera, which im shocked still exist!

The mic will be inside the controller.

2Blackcats · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Now that i think about it, given that the series X kinda looks like an Alexa, (its squared cousin), what if Microsoft decides to add a quality speaker to the top of the console and turns the console into Microsoft own Alexa?

"Hey Xbox, play some music"
"Hey Xbox, load up Halo Infinite"
"Hey Xbox, suspend Halo and turn on Netflix"

You guys know damn well that someone at the design team over at Xbox must've put 2 an 2 together and noticed that the series X looks like an Alexa, a golden opportunity missed if Microsoft doesn't turn the millions of series X units it plans to sell into their own Alexa's two features (video game console and an AI assistant) in a single box.

I mean they already had that this gen with kinnect. Few cared.

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Now that i think about it, given that the series X kinda looks like an Alexa, (its squared cousin), what if Microsoft decides to add a quality speaker to the top of the console and turns the console into Microsoft own Alexa?

"Hey Xbox, play some music"
"Hey Xbox, load up Halo Infinite"
"Hey Xbox, suspend Halo and turn on Netflix"

You guys know damn well that someone at the design team over at Xbox must've put 2 an 2 together and noticed that the series X looks like an Alexa, a golden opportunity missed if Microsoft doesn't turn the millions of series X units it plans to sell into their own Alexa's two features (video game console and an AI assistant) in a single box.

After all the TV stuff they got shut for this gen, the Xbox team will want to make it clear that this box is a game box and a amazing box, they won't be adding the extra cost of a speaker. No.

Kyoufu · Feb 22, 2020

Malkier said:
AI that can sense your frustration level from yelling, how hard you press your buttons, and grip on controller. It will automatically purchase and use microtransactions before you realize you need it and we'll before you can say no. Welcome to the future.

an AI that calls your mindset weak when you don't get mad after losing

Hybrid Rainbow · Feb 22, 2020

Kyoufu said:
an AI that calls your mindset weak when you don't get mad after losing

BitsandBytes · Feb 22, 2020

elenarie said:
Almost two full months in. This year will be fun. :)

Enjoying our suffering!

Gemüsepizza said:
Maybe dedicated machine learning stuff? I think that's one of the features besides ray-tracing where AMD chips have been weak compared to nvidia, so maybe they have this in RDNA 1.5/2.

I mentioned before ML was mentioned by the EA dev in the last Wired article yet Sony haven't mentioned/hinted about it at all. I thought that would be more likely something in XSX TBH.

III-V · Feb 22, 2020

Kyoufu said:
an AI that calls your mindset weak when you don't get mad after losing

you mad Kyoufu?

Well your not mad enough

Increase the power of your anger and increase the power of your game.

FPS murderer · Feb 22, 2020

BitsandBytes said:
But what could be better than better graphics/SSD/CPU? I know they have to hype their own product up but still.

Probably Ray traced 3D audio. Cerny keeps talking about that everywhere he goes....

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

disco_potato said:
The mic will be inside the controller.

2Blackcats said:
I mean they already had that this gen with kinnect. Few cared.

Anthony Hopkins said:
After all the TV stuff they got shut for this gen, the Xbox team will want to make it clear that this box is a game box and a amazing box, they won't be adding the extra cost of a speaker. No.

Would you guys believe me if i said that I forgot the Kinect even existed? Because for a moment there.... i did.

Lets uh.. scrap the Alexa idea.

Anastasis · Feb 22, 2020

*Died for the 10th time on the first Elden Ring boss*
*pause the game*
AI: Don't worry, the average attempts at this boss are 20. You've got this!
(later)
*still struggling with the boss*
AI: This boss is tough, would you like any help?
"Sure"
AI: I've found someone who just got pass this boss this week. You are now connected.
"Hey! How's it going! Heard you need some help!"
Proceeds to give pointers, shows some clips of strategies used. practice a technique and rewind encounter to practice again.

DrKeo · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
I'm sorry I'm guilty of a thing I don't like, which is not reading full convos.
Yes I agree Nvidia cards are the better deal now.

I'm going to test Young Blood with DLSS, I've hated DLSS in Metro and Control, I want to see it in action in YB because every reviewer is praising the DLSS implementation. Even the 2060 Super we've just talked about can run YB with RT using the highest quality DLSS in 1440p @90FPS:

9350_11_wolfenstein-youngblood-benchmarked-nvidia-dlss-ray-tracing-tested.png

BitsandBytes · Feb 22, 2020

FPS murderer said:
Probably Ray traced 3D audio. Cerny keeps talking about that everywhere he goes....

They've talked about the 3D audio block though. It is supposed to be unannounced 'things'.

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

BitsandBytes said:
Enjoying our suffering!

I mentioned before ML was mentioned by the EA dev in the last Wired article yet Sony haven't mentioned/hinted about it at all. I thought that would be more likely something in XSX TBH.

The dogs face is the literal embodiment of how I'll feel about the lack of next gen news at the moment.

Jonnax · Feb 22, 2020

Colbert said:
You know that the turbo button actually slowed your system down instead of increasing it?

Gosh. Of course I know that.
The PS5 turbo button is gonna be a modern 2020 delight.

A remix of years past.

Like the Motorola Flip phone with the foldable screen.

Zoom. Zoom.

BitsandBytes · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
The dogs face is the literal embodiment of how I'll feel about the lack of next gen news at the moment.

It is all of us in this thread except those in the know.

Kyoufu · Feb 22, 2020

BitsandBytes said:
They've talked about the 3D audio block though. It is supposed to be unannounced 'things'.

That patent where you can play a shared video clip in that exact state.

"Hey, you were on the fence about this game right? Play this section that I'm about to send you, it's really fun!"

Sekiro · Feb 22, 2020

Anastasis said:
*Died for the 10th time on the first Elden Ring boss*
*pause the game*
AI: Don't worry, the average attempts at this boss are 20. You've got this!
(later)
*still struggling with the boss*
AI: This boss is tough, would you like any help?
"Sure"
AI: I've found someone who just got pass this boss this week. You are now connected.
"Hey! How's it going! Heard you need some help!"
Proceeds to give pointers, shows some clips of strategies used. practice a technique and rewind encounter to practice again.

Bless these next gen consoles, they got Navi GPU's and they've got a Navi AI built in!

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

DrKeo said:
I'm going to test Young Blood with DLSS, I've hated DLSS in Metro and Control, I want to see it in action in YB because every reviewer is praising the DLSS implementation. Even the 2060 Super we've just talked about can run YB with RT using the highest quality DLSS in 1440p @90FPS:

I'm not a PC gamer at the moment, but I might get back into it, Im selling my home gym stuff and might turn that room into a VR room, might go PC + PS5 next gen.

I don't suppose u know what the latency is like with that Nvidia link thing?

Also I wonder I add 16gb ddr3 and a rtx 3060 to my core i7 920 if it will be enough to run VR quite competently?

Squarealex · Feb 22, 2020

DrKeo said:
I'm going to test Young Blood with DLSS, I've hated DLSS in Metro and Control, I want to see it in action in YB because every reviewer is praising the DLSS implementation. Even the 2060 Super we've just talked about can run YB with RT using the highest quality DLSS in 1440p @90FPS:

Why RTX 2060 is very low ?
Glad I pick 2060 Super...

Tovarisc · Feb 22, 2020

Anthony Hopkins said:
I don't suppose u know what the latency is like with that Nvidia link thing?

I wouldn't bother with NV Link.

It's as well supported as SLI was by developers aka it isn't.

disco_potato · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Would you guys believe me if i said that I forgot the Kinect even existed? Because for a moment there.... i did.

Lets uh.. scrap the Alexa idea.

It's ok. You figured it out in the end.
Kinect was ahead of its time.

Malkier · Feb 22, 2020

Kyoufu said:
an AI that calls your mindset weak when you don't get mad after losing

There will also be a new Rage rating associated with Gamer Score/Trophies and show your average rage accumulated for every game. And current rage can be displayed directly to live streams for quick viral videos.

Anthony Hopkins · Feb 22, 2020

Tovarisc said:
I wouldn't bother with NV Link.

It's as well supported as SLI was by developers aka it isn't.

I just to be able to stream my games from my pc upstairs to my TV downstairs.

Roxsus · Feb 22, 2020

Some seems to be getting voice command and Ai assistant confused. They're two entirely different things. PS4 already have basic voice command for some functions. When I mentioned Ai assistant I imagined google home designed for PlayStation you can buy stuff from the PSN store get updates,reminders ask for help when stuck in a game etc.

Could be game changing for some who aren't as tech savvy.

Vimto · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Imagine the PS5 with some sort of built in voice command in the console, the things you can do with it.

"Ok Playstation, wake up"
"Ok Playstation, close Call of Duty and load up fortnite"
"Hey Playstation, switch to rest mode and update X game in the background"
"Hey Playstation, turn on and load up Horizon 2"

Hands free console experience, the possibilities are endless.

Microsoft did this 7 years ago

褲蓋Calo · Feb 22, 2020

RoninStrife said:
So.. devs arent privy to how Sony will get their white paper specs, but they know they will hit them, because by launch, devs need to know what specs their console game will run on. Hence why final dev kits are finalized before release.
Which brings me to a third point... Klee and Matt have seen white paper specs.

Only under the assumption that Klee et al. are legit. As of now there's no way to prove it, not to mention Klee's prediction on February reveal has already been proven wrong.

gabdeg · Feb 22, 2020

JahIthBer said:
NVME's have been around for like 6 years now, but i expect a lot of crying about it when this likely becomes true. HDD's are so outdated really.

Looking forward to a lot of talk about how a game is "unoptimized" simply because it doesn't run well on whatever arbitrary PC people have build a couple of years ago.

Expy · Feb 22, 2020

Sekiro said:
Imagine the PS5 with some sort of built in voice command in the console, the things you can do with it.

"Ok Playstation, wake up"
"Ok Playstation, close Call of Duty and load up fortnite"
"Hey Playstation, switch to rest mode and update X game in the background"
"Hey Playstation, turn on and load up Horizon 2"

Hands free console experience, the possibilities are endless.

You know PlayStation 4 does support certain voice commands already right?

gundamkyoukai · Feb 22, 2020

KugaiCalo said:
Only under the assumption that Klee et al. are legit. As of now there's no way to prove it, not to mention Klee's prediction on February reveal has already been proven wrong.

Before he left he said Feb but he also said things can change .
Looking at Sony things did change with them pulling out of everything .

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