Were you, really?
Seemed to me he saw you coming from a mile away, and looking at your response he was 100% right
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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Were you, really?
Seemed to me he saw you coming from a mile away, and looking at your response he was 100% right
It's the differential with Lockart that will define the power of Series X, not the one with the PS5.
Xbox Series X, PS5 specs 'leak' suggests Microsoft could lose power game to Sony
Another week, another 'leak.'www.windowscentral.com
Well , fuck. If next gen wasn't so close I'd be buying that - thanks for mentioning it I had no idea!
Works for next gen too. Sony and MS already stated that PS4 and Xbox One Controllers will compatible to next gen consoles!
Thanks guysXbox Series X, PS5 specs 'leak' suggests Microsoft could lose power game to Sony
Another week, another 'leak.'
AFAIK in RDNA the lowest component the Command Processor can assign commands to is the SA. The SAs are independent, the CP distributes and dispatches workload between the SAs and they independently distribute them between their WGPs. It's one of the reasons RDNA is supposed to be flexible. If you turn off a WGP, the SA is the one that needs to handle it, the CP doesn't even need to know that a WGP was disabled. If an RDNA GPU wants to go into GCN BC mode (which exists in every RDNA based card), the WGP knows how to split the resources between the two CUs as if they were two separate CUs.
That's at least my understanding of RDNA.
This last part is me guessing, but IMO if you want to turn off just a few specific CUs inside a SA in rea-time, it will have to be a hardware level change, just like the WGP -> 2 CUs in BC mode is. What I mean by that is IMO, if Sony wants the ability to do that, it will be part of their "special sauce".
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How will the interface with the systems? I thought they were both going usb-c.
that Is my point.
I have a One X and a PS4 Pro.
And the best looking games for me are God of War, Uncharted 4, lost legacy and Horizon.
So as much as I would like a 12 tflop ps5, I think Sony first party studios will probably do great things with 9...
The Xbox Series X still have Type-A ports. But just like the Elite Series 2 the controller will sport USB-C as a connector. Means you can still use the same cable. Also for wireless Xbox uses DirectWiFi, that will be supported too by the next gen console.
Reactions from both sides are going to be awful and depressing.
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On a side note, even though I don't believe random things like this, as literally anyone can post them. However just for the fun of it if these were the specs what would the difference actually be in games?
Ok thanks. I figured there would either be ports or people would have to buy adapters separately.
Maybe I misinterpreted the white paper. WGP indeed would be uncommon.
People question the GitHub info as relevant now in February 2020 not only because it's old, and not only because Matt has already told us to move past it, but because it is nonsensical.
The PS5 GPU won't be one with 36CU at 2Ghz. It will either have more CU, lower clocks, or most likely both.
The PS5 GPU won't be one with 36CU at 2Ghz. It will either have more CU, lower clocks, or most likely both.
I'm so surprised we don't have any leaks of the specs of the PS5 dev kits, despite having pics of said devices.
Serious question: how do we know if the $450 figure is believable and not made up or just someone's theory/estimation.
It looks to me as if everybody is taking this number as gospel whereas everything else is questioned and discussed to death
I don't know if I understand you correctly but there are legit pictures of the PS5 DevKit 🤔
It was also confirmed by ZhugeEX on twitter, that's why everyone believes the number. But these numbers are an estimate, ZhugeEX's estimate for XSX is 460$ - 520$, a pretty big range. So you shouldn't take 450$ as a final number, it's just a ballpark estimate, just like 490$ is the XSX's ballpark if we average out the 460$ - 520$ figure.
It will be huge. The small difference will only be exacerbated by the fact that PS5 progammers hand code in GPU assembly whereas on Xbox they have to rely on bloated API, locking even more performance behind the door.On a side note, even though I don't believe random things like this, as literally anyone can post them. However just for the fun of it if these were the specs what would the difference actually be in games?
/jk
Reactions from both sides are going to be awful and depressing.
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On a side note, even though I don't believe random things like this, as literally anyone can post them. However just for the fun of it if these were the specs what would the difference actually be in games?
For one thing with that power we might be able to play basketball in the next Spider-man game.
They said we don't have leaks of the specs even though we have pics
There will be zero difference, this meaningless difference will be swallowed by the small performance buffer that exists in order for games to run at locked framerates. It will be the closest two consoles have ever been.Reactions from both sides are going to be awful and depressing.
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On a side note, even though I don't believe random things like this, as literally anyone can post them. However just for the fun of it if these were the specs what would the difference actually be in games?
A premium product is designed to make a profit not to be sold as a loss. That's what lockhart would be for.
Thing is, XSX isn't a premium product, it's the direct competitor to the PS5. XSX is the "norm", XSS is the unique product here. I'm not sure XSX exists in order to make more money on hardware, that's what a 2TB SKU is for, it's MS's main console. We've never seen a product like that, the rules have changed.
This is just about as much nonsense as the Github leak.Reactions from both sides are going to be awful and depressing.
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On a side note, even though I don't believe random things like this, as literally anyone can post them. However just for the fun of it if these were the specs what would the difference actually be in games?
Going back to the 66% markup Richard talked about for APU die, i wanted to look at what that means for lockhart because all of a sudden $300 doesnt seem too plausible.
Some assumptions:
I really dont see how that is going to be a $299 console unless MS takes a $150 loss on it.
Some assumptions:
- PS4 28nm 350mm2 die = $100 = $10 per 35mm2
- 7nm 60% markup = $16 per 35mm2
- RX5500xt = 158mm2.
- Zen 2 = 40mm2
- Misc = 20 mm2
- Total Lockhart APU Size = 218mm2
- Lockhart fab cost = 218mm2/35mm2 * $16 = $99.65
I really dont see how that is going to be a $299 console unless MS takes a $150 loss on it.
i did say IF IT WAS TRUE.
all we are doing here is questioning and discussing it to death like we do everything else. it will run its course. DF just made a new article on the bloomberg article which is why people are discussing it. no one is taking it as gospel.
In a completely custom, co-designed chip it seems logical you might be able to get an extra command from the CP for this specific purpose. I don't see why not. It's not a command that would normally be required for desktop GPU so the fact it doesn't exist in the existing RDNA instruction set isn't much of a shocker. Just my 2c.
It is nonsensical to imagine we are locked into a 36 CU (or multiples thereof 😂) for the future generations of PS5. What are they going to do? PS6 at 4.3 GHz.
Let's Do Better than try our best to fit this old narrative.
It is nonsensical to imagine we are locked into a 36 CU (or multiples thereof 😂) for the future generations of PS5. What are they going to do? PS6 at 4.3 GHz.
Let's Do Better than try our best to fit this old narrative.
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One correction, die size and die cost isn't linear. 350mm2 die is $10 per 35 mm2. 200m2 die might be only $8 per 35mm2.
I agree about the push on HDD and online (even if they had fee to it), but this gen ?
You more answered a "how" than a "why".
Why YOU, do want that to happened ?
It would be pretty crazy if lockhart had the same power draw as a OG ps4.
So a leap like last gen would be a lockhart.
So a leap like last gen would be a lockhart.
I mean he ain't wrong. Calling them plastic boxes is utterly reductive, just like dismissing concerns by saying, "It's just a video game". These machines are platforms for creation and consumption of interactive projects.
An APU cost doesn't scale linearly with size. The bigger a GPU is, the lower the yields and the more silicon is wasted on the rims of the wafer. You should also include the fact that Lockheart will probably have a lower clock speed which will lower the BOM even more. It's actually the other way around IMO, if XSX's APU really is a 200$ chip, Lockheart's APU will probably cost a lot less, probably close to 100$. Add to that a smaller form factor, cheaper cooling, 4GB less RAM, slower and cheaper RAM, half the size of the SSD and no BR drive and it's BOM difference might even be higher than 150$.
in France it was the Killzone pack or nothing the first two months, they managed it quite well :)
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I really dislike all the bloated install sizes as well, and I really appreciate games like Sekiro that keep that shit to a minimum. I just wonder what would happen if you told them "I have a way to shrink the game, but it's not going to run as well". You might be right, though.
Fucking gimme
No, it was just never cancelled and somehow people got it wrong. We've talked about this a few OTs ago but you can't just cancel chip development for 6 months, constraints are too tight.
True, they all got it wrong together.
I totally agree, it could be a custom Sony request, part of their "secret sauce".
Regarding the PS6 and future consoles, at some point Sony will have to run these BC games on a VM, they can't fit their console hardware design to transform into every legacy X86 console they've ever made.
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Hey now let's not start using the "S" word around here.
That got pretty uncomfortable last gen.
That got pretty uncomfortable last gen.
You're missing the original Windows Central spec leak article, which came right before the Game Awards. So far going into next gen, this is the only properly sourced article providing specs for a next gen console.
And in that article they talk about taking it all with a pinch of salt.
What's it to you, meat box? /s
There is something to the post in question, as it observes that the technology here isn't well represented by the reductive "plastic box" nomenclature. The amount of R&D and degree of artistic toil that goes into making a modern gaming experience possible is pretty remarkable. Where the false equivalence kicks in is that people are highly individualistic, whereas game consoles and games are mass-produced functional replicas based on a shared blueprint. You can discard the box and disc and replace them with identical equivalents trivially, which is what makes them just "plastic boxes" in a way that people aren't just "meat bags."
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