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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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Can you give me a definitive statement saying that all PS4 games will run on PS5?
Exactly. What hell awaits us later on this year besides Trump getting reelected?
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Let me tell you how magnificent a philly cheese steak is...
I'm hoping for a proprietary expansion slot and hope that it extends the storage space without you having to manage it. I don't want to choose between installing on drive X or drive Y, I want it to seem like one big unified storage. I don't mind buying a 1TB console if I know that later I will be able to buy a 1TB or 2TB expansion.
Too soon?
Definitely think they need some expanding storage capabilities.
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Destiny is 100Gbish. 165Gb was he rumored space before release and turned out to be the free space needed to unpack/copy/install on ps4.
Let's hope that process is gone with the ps5.
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If that is Hell I can't wait to get there after I'm dead. Those last 3 1/2 years were so good.
Made a lot of money.
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Many people fail to realize that a lot of games these days have some extra bloat due to data duplication. Data is placed in multiple spots to help find it quicker. That shouldn't be needed with next-gen stuff.
It's sort of killing my hype tbh. I thought that we'd be swimming in news once 2020 hit. But it has been week after week of drought and uncertainty.
also, if ray tracing is being used for reflections, GI and/or shadows then that should free up GPU cycles traditionally used to render shadows, Ambient Occlusion, lighting and screenspace reflections.
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Also, in theory, AI can be used to upscale textures so that giant texture packs aren't needed. There's lots of things that they can probably do to save on space given the extra power they're going to have in these boxes.
Fret not, dear Go Bot. Things will come.
I just checked on steam, the PC version requires 105GB so you are probably right. But even a 100GB game, once you upgrade all the models with next-gen graphics, all the textures and shaders to next-gen resolution and variety, all the animations to next-gen level, etc. you will get huge install sizes in some games. Yeah, no asset duplication is nice, but in one of the most extreme asset duplication examples we have, Spider-man, only 20% of its install size is asset duplication so even after duplication is a thing of the past, games will still be well over what they are currently. Don't expect RDR3 to be under 150-200 GB. If the SSD in the PS5 will allow for ~800GB free space for games, I really need a 2TB SKU.
Why would they need 54 CU? I think the granularity is by group of 4 CUs.
CES broke me. the amd conference with no info on ray tracing or big navi left me with blue balls then the logo reveal at the Sony conference literally kicked me in said balls. then i got banned for saying sony dropped the ball. worst ball related week ever.
that said, the bloomberg article confirms two things. sony went with a more expensive ps5. and more importantly they went with a more expensive cooling system. both things point to a monster of a console. not a conservative one like the ps4 and pro.
IIRC, it's easier to turn off a whole SE than a specific SA, so in theory, all SE will have to have 9 active WGP in order to have hardware-level BC. So 54 CU (x3 SE with 9 WGP each) is probably the easiest option for Sony's BC if they want to go above 36 CUs.
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But if we have negative ray tracing then storage size should go down. We'll end up with negative storage and then we'll be able to access the phantom zone of storage.
Wait, are you sure? AI does get used for upscaling stuff, but I wasn't under the impression it was being done in real time.
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In theory it can be (I added an "in theory" to my post), but I don't know if it's been done in practice, though. But think about it. If you could run a current-gen looking game, but use a good amount of the CPU / GPU overhead to AI upscale some details, it could be a big win for storage space.
Just spitballing.
It could be, but I do feel like most people would prefer to just delete something from their drive for extra performance (4K60, RT, etc).
It might be pretty useful on things even earlier than current-gen, though. Stuff like remasters of PS3 games, for example. Then you probably would have the overhead to go to reconstructed 4K60 and do the texture upscaling too.
I think we can continue the lunacy of this thread without starting political discussion, if not then truly this thread is lost.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. You'd be surprised how many casual players I know that called me up and said "why is this telling me I don't have enough space to install this." Also, anything to reduce the install size of the game would help people in places that don't have great internet.
Hell, imagine this: AI upscaling of textures after the initial data has been downloaded. It won't help with the install size, but it would help with the download size.
Don´t know in what universe a trillion dollar company can be considered as the underdog.
Lots of talk about using machine learning next gen. Even on Nvidia's side they are premiering their Ampere GPUs at GTC 2020, which will have a big focus on Deep Learning and AI.
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Didn't happen going into this gen. Sony was the clear underdog, but we still had a prevailing narrative that Sony is going to go bankrupt.
They did, but they only verified the SOURCE of the leak which was the github folder we all downloaded. He basically meant that he downloaded the folder himself and saw the same thing we did. I am sure he looked up the intern's name on linkedin like the rest of us.
What i am wondering is if Jason, Tom and the DF guys reached out to their dev sources in the industry to verify if the 9.2 tflops number is accurate. Should be a simple confirm or deny.
See the link Expy posted below to see exactly what Richard verified. he just verified that its a real internal AMD doc. he didnt validate the specs. im just surprised that no journalist bothered to follow up on the biggest data leak in the lead up to this gen. though i do understand that a lot of these devs dont care much for specs.
PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
Testing data from AMD recently leaked giving us some hint of the technical make-up of the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox Series X. So what has been revealed, how...youtu.be
Around 1:28 ish.
Just wanted to say that consoles are not plastic boxes. They are a wonderful pinnacle of human capabilities! Amazing technology to the service of artists that give people so much joy in their lives. Just because some childish console warrior out there is using them to somehow validate his insecurities, do not despise consoles calling them plastic boxes. Instead, you should call some people meat boxes! 😂
Don't give up hope. We are all going to look like geniuses next week at this time.
It's not looking great, that's for sure.
a) Let the comparison with the XSX out. Just let us look at the PS5 alone. I think the comparison is what makes it so hard for some to accept the 9.2TF assumption. I remember the days when I was predicting both consoles in parity and I also remember we both together discussed it and being on the same page that 9 or 10TF would be fabulous. I even made a bet that consoles would not exceed 10TF.
b) Native is normally defined as a capability using all available resources (HW resources / Software stack / memory). Oberon has those 2 hw BC modes providing a similar config to games for PS4 & PS4 Pro. But there is that 3rd native gen2 mode. This is the mode the chip runs "natively", means when executing games with access to all above mentioned resources. I do not see any gen3 mode leaked that would add another level of configuration with more CUs. This is the mode next gen games will run on. This is in my expectation the PS5 spec. "Native" provides "the ultimate boost mode" with no limitations for games that are capable to run under these conditions that are from the PS4/PS4 Pro era.
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1-555-TRANSISTOR ???
the 5700 non xt version has 4 disabled CUs. one in each shader array.
you dont need to turn off the entire SE.
PS4 Hits 6 Million, Ushers in New Era of Social Gameplay
As you’ve probably read by now, cumulative PS4 sales have now surpassed six million units worldwide following the successful launch in Japan just over a week ago. It’s truly humbling to see the rate at which gamers across the globe are choosing PS4 as their next gen console of choice. Even more...
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6 million sold as of March 3. 🤷♂️
The analyst said "by March". If he meant "by the end of March", then fair enough.
i just hope they ship more than 1 million units in NA at launch. they all sold out on the first day and no one could find a ps4 for the last two weeks of november. iirc, december is when stores finally got the second shipment. they sold 0 units during black friday because they had no inventory.PS4 Hits 6 Million, Ushers in New Era of Social Gameplay
As you’ve probably read by now, cumulative PS4 sales have now surpassed six million units worldwide following the successful launch in Japan just over a week ago. It’s truly humbling to see the rate at which gamers across the globe are choosing PS4 as their next gen console of choice. Even more...
6 million sold as of March 3. 🤷♂️
The analyst said "by March". If he meant "by the end of March", then fair enough.
and this is after skipping japan at launch. i wonder what they will do this year.
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