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*Ray tracing sold separately
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Also something new to talk about....
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So, 1 TB SSD is probably going to be standard next generation out of the box. The space problem is not going to be solved but maybe helped by some ways....
1) Splitting apart games such as single player and multiplayer games being split so that only what you want to play gets installed.
2) Using GPU decompression of assets on-the-fly.
3) Deduplication of assets that no longer need to exist twice on storage.
4) Super Resolution!!! Finally! The process of using the "cloud" to train deep learning of what 4K assets are supposed to look like and then use that training on-the-fly to recreate the low resolution image to be 4K.
A.I. is a fascinating subject and I am a really big fan of this kind of processing. I would fully expect to see Microsoft working on this and maybe Sony as well as they seem to be doing a lot of A.I. related projects.
What do you all think?
STORAGE:
So, 1 TB SSD is probably going to be standard next generation out of the box. The space problem is not going to be solved but maybe helped by some ways....
1) Splitting apart games such as single player and multiplayer games being split so that only what you want to play gets installed.
2) Using GPU decompression of assets on-the-fly.
3) Deduplication of assets that no longer need to exist twice on storage.
4) Super Resolution!!! Finally! The process of using the "cloud" to train deep learning of what 4K assets are supposed to look like and then use that training on-the-fly to recreate the low resolution image to be 4K.
A.I. is a fascinating subject and I am a really big fan of this kind of processing. I would fully expect to see Microsoft working on this and maybe Sony as well as they seem to be doing a lot of A.I. related projects.
What do you all think?
Well, what did Nvidia use? Did they not have dedicated hardware cores or not?
That's one of the spiciest bet outcomes I've seen. You thought the console ceiling was 10TF, you lost. Xeontech hoped PS5 would be the one to reach 12TF. He lost too. 🤣
1) already in place this gen
2) dito
4) was just recently reported for Xbox (interview)
add expendable SSD NVMe storage with CFexpress, rumored/leaked by bdsams based on pre-production XSX SKU interface connectors from a image leak.
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Everyone gets a custom one. I've got my work cut out for me :)
"I am talking about development, not retail here..."
Klee had talked about the Xbox Series X not using GCN with the 12 TF as he said it was NAVI, but I have not seen him talk about GCN using the development kits on PS5 and if it is a secret security thing, how could he have known?
When the data is not adding up, you have to look to see where the differences are and I just can't see the development kit being 9 TF for third parties right now. I can't. Why do you think they are so big? They are big because they are using hot hardware that is not meant for a "retail" experience.
That's why they are 12 TF, because the third party development kits are hot and big because they are not using anything close to retail.
As we get closer to that retail box, the development kits will start to slim down and become much smaller over time and that 8-9 TF now becomes more of a reality.
As I have stated, I do not believe any insider here is lying, I just think that they are not aware of the security and secrecy that Sony is doing and not many insiders here know about first party, only third party so Sony doesn't have control over third party they have over first party, so it makes more sense for them to put out a smoke screen so things won't be leaked.
Look how how hard it is to get information about the PS5 right now, real "true" information. Why do you think that this is?
Sony themselves is trying to limit the amount of "real" information for security purposes.
This is why I value the github leaks over the insiders, not that they are lying, they are just being mislead by the security of Sony themselves.
I genuinely hope that next-gen games will be SMALLER than current-gen games instead of bigger or even the same, and it's possible because of the reasons you list. But I don't know if I trust third-party developers to actually do things that can decrease the file size. Many of them seem to literally not care whatsoever about file size.
Yeah, I saw the expand-ability and that makes sense but not the way he explained it. It's not some flash based memory card, but probably by an NVME storage card of some sort.
Ohhhhhhh I like the one you did for Flutter and boy do you have to make a lot of them......I'm also getting enticed to also do a bet....... what to do, what to do.... :D
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That's really cool. I never even knew CFexpress was a thing. Are they on sale already?
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Good thing I picked the winning day! :p
Can't wait to see what avatar I get lol
Wow i feel really special.... You really want me to join.......feeling skeptical right now.... hmmm
Ah, okay. I wonder how long until it will be at mass market prices. Probably depends on adoption rate. Having it in Xbox Series X could be good for it.
Let's have dev kits that are 33% more powerful than the retail product you actually have to develop games for, genius! Your conspiracy theories in this thread are next level
Do it. Join over 150+ lucky members in this great adventure.
Oh I know. I'm just speculating. I meant to say having it in Xbox Series X WOULD be good for it to be more clear that I'm not assuming it's true.
Man, I'm just gonna ignore you from now on, because you keep pulling the weirdest most out of left-field conclusions from anything that I post. Have a good rest of your weekend, bro.
LawyerEra is telling me that your words may have allowed those losing their avatar bets to emerge Scott-free.
Afterall, nothing is a done deal.... :)
I guess you really didn't see or understand what I was talking about when I said that the PS5 development kits for third parties are using GCN 12 TF which is equal to 9 TF NAVI on the retail PS5 console as Sony is doing this for security reasons so that the real leaking does not happen.
I fully expect 9 TF NAVI to be the retail target of the PS5.
That solves the entire problem and it also explains why the "insiders" are saying that the Xbox Series X and PS5 are close. I honestly don't expect them to be close at all.
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Yeah, I didn't see this, but I bet it is pricey. We will have to see if this is it or not.
If they make it "standard" third parties could adopt it. I am honestly not concerned for space. I was laughing at IGN's Unlocked as they thought there is no way that next generation consoles don't have a 2 TB SSD. A 2 TB SSD costs a ton of money right now and will be that way still by end of year. Even at cost it's too expensive, that's not going to happen unless they create an option for it and I don't see that happening at launch, maybe several years down the road.
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here's the controller apparently being used in the XSX (and possibly PS5)... it does support CFX
that would mean with high likelihood the CFexpress card in XSX would be the same speed as the internal SSD.
but man those prices need to drop fast. there is another possibility... it might only be usable by developers to load games to test.
Phison PS5019-E19T PCIe Gen4x4 NVMe DRAM-Less SSD Controller
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here's the controller apparently being used in the XSX (and possibly PS5)... it does support CFX
that would mean with high likelihood the CFexpress card in XSX would be the same speed as the internal SSD.
but man those prices need to drop fast. there is another possibility... it might only be usable by developers to load games to test.
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Yeah, attracting new customers into MS universe by selling a console without a controller will go down an absolute treat. Im sure there are millions of PS4 users with several XB controllers just lying around.
I thought you were kidding at first but then I realized if they offered a sku without one that wouldn't be so bad.
Well it's not a bad idea. Buy the sku for 450 and get a used XB1 controller for 20 dollars.
Edit: holy smol used controllers still cost a lot.
Yeah especially looking at those prices. Holy shit. This is what crossgen controllers gets you people.
There would be 2 skus you dingus. But those used controller prices are too damn high. WTF.
One of the worst idea i've ever seen in this site. A controller is a central pillar of the experience and absolutely required in every standard proposition. This is why no one in recent history cut it out from a bundle.
You can change the storage or even make a diskless sku but removing the controller is insane even with a multiple sku strategy.
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