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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Oh it's not that, I am actually of the opinion the differences will be nothing and my prediction is PS5 could be 10.2 TF with a 40 CU part. That's all :)
but i thought it was all about those great exclusives games.
guess not really.
Teraflops are not the whole story to begin with, since there are a lot of other factors in play that determine how strong and how efficient a console is. So really, it just tells us who has a higher number on paper and who, theoretically if both companies execute the same machine perfectly, would come out on top.
Yep. Some SSR reflections are so horrendous and limited and not fully displayed. RT reflections could solve those problems, let alone RT shadows and AO
Hey, I have some pretty legitimate 4chan sources backing me up that I'm very confident in. Believe me or not, it's up to you.
I don't care how powerful your next-gen console is. From will find a way to get its next game to run like crap on it
If the rumoured power gap is negligible then I doubt either company runs with a raw power narrative. PS4 and XB1X were pushed as the most powerful consoles in the world because they were considerably more powerful than their counterparts.
Plus, what does "raw power" translate to in terms of game experiences with a 10-15% gap? I don't think it'd be noticeable to most people, and if they perform pretty much the same as each other then it'd be a waste of marketing to be yelling about raw power when there are other things to be talking about instead, like QoL improvements, accessibility, services etc.
true but they use the same gpu architecture, and everything else (like bandwidth) generally scales around the flops.
There's a reason if you have to pick ONE stat, it's the one.
Is actualy unbelievable how they could do that with 4 games release this gen.
Xbox will definitely run with the narrative , they already are angling it. Same best place to play etc shit coming
Yeap people here are vastly under estimating the power of the SSD and the way it can enhance dynamism and immersion. If one console has an SSD with 2x the speed it's far more important than any tiny GPU Delta
Couple of things. I never his the fact that I was going off 4chan.
Second, notice the actual stuff I have wasn't posted here?
How so? I would imagine how games are made would be changed by faster read/write speeds but I don't think that would have a major impact otherwise.
yep, xbox was almost 50% less powerful than ps4 last time. where it starts to become a big deal. even then laypeople probably couldn't tell the difference.
whoever comes out on top, this time the gap may be 20% or less. it's not as big a deal, although imo still extremely relevant.
Cheers mate, now this puts my mind at ease, if the 15% difference only equates to small graphical details that only professionals like Digital Foundries can analyse after extensive investing but the average hardcore player can't really tell the difference then i am perfectly contempt with the difference.
Like how most gamers can't tell the difference between native 4K vs checkerboad 4K.
Phil Spencer is talking about power because it's a next-gen console. He's basically pushing it as a powerful console to market the fact that it's more powerful and capable than the console they released just 2 years ago and if people want the next best Xbox, then this one's it.
What are you hiding? TLOU2 PC port? Ghost of Tsushima as well? Did you find another GOG API connection that exposes all?
Spill the beans. This thread is waiting with bated breath.
Im might be wrong on this, but i think it allows to creat better open worlds as it allows to load assets faster.
In all honesty, I think that the Series X will be the more powerful of the two. But I don't think it will be a considerable difference.
Yeah that's what I think too, but I can't imagine it'll affect much else besides being a bottleneck maybe.
Dude, the difference between them is fucking NOTHING.
That's what makes this thread incredible to watch. By next year, the PS5 is gonna be 25TF going by this thread and the Series X might be lucky to be 7TF with DDR3 RAM.
After a entire evening of TF numbers and which console would be strongest, this morning Jason Schreier comes on and says something like "TF's are a bad way to determine who will have a console advantage this gen, because of other things like the CPU,Ram, and storage solution i.e SSD that would truly matter this gen when it comes to next gen games."
I have overwhelming feeling now we will end the night still talking about TF numbers and which console is more powerful.
SMH
I have overwhelming feeling now we will end the night still talking about TF numbers and which console is more powerful.
SMH
Perhaps, as I believe you're a developer, you could go into more what advantages developers are going to see from next gen hardware like the Xbox Series X instead of posting pictures of Kermit the Frog? I know I'd be more interested in that.
I'm not a game developer but I would assume it would change how games are designed not just how they're made. Kratos wouldn't have that slow process of fast travel if loading wasn't as big of an issue. Cal in Jedi Fallen Order wouldn't have to squeeze through a gap every five minutes if the devs can assume everyone is on an SSD.
We should talk about the real stuff, like how the Series X can play Bill Gates's favorite game Fusion Frenzy.
Cerny the god fooled xbox into having a more powerful inefficient apu. Cerny was looking out for 8k TVs he knew it would take 20tfs to output why waste
Should have split the threads, i think its pretty clear that the warriors aren't changing, Who gives a flying fuck who's more powerful and making definitive statements when both are unconfirmed specs makes you look silly
Oh, I agree that it is a good indicator. Was just being clear that it is not the only indicator and if the Tflops gap is small enough, the "weaker" of the two can pull ahead through other means.
I'd never pick just one stat for these kinds of things and I think hyping one stat as the end all be all is how we can end up being a little misled.
Important, yes! Only thing that matters, certainly not.
Hey Klob, can you share information about XBSeX memory architecture.
That is something that doesn't seem to be out there, yet should effect game design the most :/
Only in your head is that happening.
And wow did that tea moment put this thread on an even weirder note than before.
Now i don't particularly remember but given that the PS4 was slightly more powerful than the Xbox One by a negligible margin (think like 0.6tf difference) did any of them push the 'more powerful' narrative in there marketing like the Xbox One X does or did they ignore the power difference in the marketing?
Right right! I would imagine by next-gen we can say goodbye to those pesky hidden loading screens regardless of console 🤣
I think RPG will be the genre that will improve more next gen because, i think, he can have more NPC in a open world to make it more believable.
It is pretty amazing but it isn't surprising whatsoever. Jason acknowledged that there are other variables at play that we aren't even considering but it doesn't matter here. It will just get talked down and hand waved. It is all about a TF number. Which is the ultimate indicator of "power" apparently.
PS4 was considerably more powerful than Xbox One. 50% more Gflops and had a superior memory architecture. It was really easy for Sony to market this difference as games were lower resolution on the XB1. The same goes for Microsoft and XB1X vs PS4 Pro.
I don't think you're going to see this kind of marketing again next gen in purely TFlops form.
Yeah trust me, I love Horizon, but man when you fast travel across the map, it's slower than shit. It will save all of us time and devs won't have to come up with these believable player actions to trigger hidden loading. At least I hope so.
I would love to see more dense cities come next gen. Imagine cities that actually have more than 15 people in em!
HD towns! Only two generations later. Come on Square Enix.
Exactly, i want a game like Skyrim in a world like GOT.
The game that did fast travel right was Spider-Man. The loading scenes in the subway were hilarious. You also rarely fast-traveled because web-swinging was so much fun.
That was one of the most annoying thing about Horizon, well besides most of the characters and there personalities.
Half a Tflop back then was crucial to create the difference because the amount was not that high but now even 1-2 Tflops won't make a big difference because the amount is already big enough.
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