Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

gundamkyoukai said:
LMAO don't take the chance if it can get your source in trouble.
With how lock down things are it could be easy to trace back .

Mecha Meister said:
Someone told me something but I don't want to find out if the ninjas are real lol.

there are ways around it. you dont have to give away the exact SSD speeds.

If it's 5GB/s, say greater than 4GB/s.
If it's 14 tflops. Simply say between 13 and 15.
If it's HBM2, simply say it's not GDDR6.
If it's ReRAM, just say it's not just an SSD.

This way you dont give exact info and dont burn the source.

Imitation Of Life · Dec 17, 2019

Mecha Meister said:
Someone told me something but I don't want to find out if the ninjas are real lol.

Yeah don't say anything. We are close enough to just wait.

AegonSnake said:
there are ways around it. you dont have to give away the exact SSD speeds.

If it's 5GB/s, say greater than 4GB/s.
If it's 14 tflops. Simply say between 13 and 15.
If it's HBM2, simply say it's not GDDR6.
If it's ReRAM, just say it's not just an SSD.

This way you dont give exact info and dont burn the source.

Honestly the way so many people are behaving in here they don't deserve any information or leaks. Most likely outcome is he gets harassed and insulted if it is something that goes against their corporate religion. The precedent has been set.

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

Mecha Meister just tell Kleegamefan hehe

edit: kidding but you ought to pastebin some coded message ;)

BitsandBytes · Dec 17, 2019

I think confirmation of the reveal would calm a lot of us down but I'm guess it will be at least a month away. Lets just hope they aren't planning a Mar/Apr reveal.

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

DukeBlueBall said:
The best insider this generation has to be KomachiEnsaka.

Case in point.

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm

Xb1 and xb1x had 4/8 RBEs respectively, with 16 / 32 ROPs total respectively. PS4 had 8 RBEs. This is likely referring to BC for XB1 (Gen0), which had 16 ROPS. Guessing Scorpio would be Gen1. Similar set up the Gen0(PS4), Gen1(Pro), Gen2(Oberon) labeling used on Sony's side. Since Komachi...

www.resetera.com

From his twitter posts, I came to the conclusion that Lockhart was still alive (this was days before all the Lockhart revival news broke), and that next generation Xbox has hardware RT and VRS.

All of that came true.

eh. he's a cry baby. couldnt handle a few questions.

does he know the CU counts of the Oberon GPU? Why cant he tell it to redgamingtech and not everyone else?

I feel like hes sitting on the biggest PS5 leak out there and refusing to share info. thats just lame.

gundamkyoukai · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:
there are ways around it. you dont have to give away the exact SSD speeds.

If it's 5GB/s, say greater than 4GB/s.
If it's 14 tflops. Simply say between 13 and 15.
If it's HBM2, simply say it's not GDDR6.
If it's ReRAM, just say it's not just an SSD.

This way you dont give exact info and dont burn the source.

Maybe that could work for TF number .
But when you have the SSD speed\tech on lock down so hard even that could be trouble.
The only reason i ask Klee was to know info was still on lock down .

TheRealTalker · Dec 17, 2019

III-V said:
Mecha Meister just tell Kleegamefan hehe

and then we never see those two again lol

DukeBlueBall · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:
eh. he's a cry baby. couldnt handle a few questions.

does he know the CU counts of the Oberon GPU? Why cant he tell it to redgamingtech and not everyone else?

I feel like hes sitting on the biggest PS5 leak out there and refusing to share info. thats just lame.

He is sitting on every single piece of information about the APUs in both consoles. The reason he wouldn't share anything is because he was spammed by thirsty people.

Papacheeks · Dec 17, 2019

senjutsusage said:
Yes, NDAs are signed, but Xbox execs have friends with major studios and publishers who must almost certainly get access to dev kits. They will talk and leak and let them know what's going on. Both Sony and Microsoft know what's going on. There may be surprises kept like Sony's 8GB of GDDR5 that I believe only first parties knew, but both Sony and Microsoft have a pretty strong idea of what the other side has up their sleeve.

Yea, there are people they know that talk, but also a lot of the knowledge of the nitty gritty are left out. they have engineers that will basically tell them roughly what the other company is shooting for similar to what alot of people who know their shit in these threads talk about.

But NDA's is a big thing when it comes to things like custom chips/SOC shit. Like when your a company who is servicing 2 companies shit better be tight lipped because someone either loses their job , or a class action lawsuit will happen extremely fast because leaks can damage bottom line in stocks.

Why do you think everything is so hush/hush compared to previous?

I bet you AMD was talking to these companies and was like yo, some of your partners are leaking shit, shut that shit down.

anexanhume · Dec 17, 2019

DukeBlueBall said:
He is sitting on every single piece of information about the APUs in both consoles. The reason he wouldn't share anything is because he was spammed by thirsty people.

No one in this thread, thank god. Nope.

DriftingSpirit · Dec 17, 2019

Kleegamefan said:
I wish I knew what the hell Sony has cooked up for their streaming memory architecture.

For sure, that information is what they are most protective of but IDK why

I'm telling ya.

Get on the train while you still can.

Deleted member 17092 · Dec 17, 2019

It's gonna be interesting to see if lockheart hasn't been canned if they do 2 skus at launch or wait a bit. Part of me thinks they have cancelled the current iteration and will wait a while and beef it up a bit so it's more like like 32cu part and 6-7 rdna tflops. Launches fall 2021 at $299. I don't think Sony can get to $299 that soon if they only have 1 box.

•79• · Dec 17, 2019

III-V said:
I know people are/were critical of the bans but there wasn't anything better than a Bish graveyard.

I've come over all nostalgic now.

TheRealTalker · Dec 17, 2019

DriftingSpirit said:
I'm telling ya.

Get on the train while you still can.

you mean PS NOW?

I feel Sony is holding something back with PS NOW until the PS5 is revealed/launch

some new strategy and new features/ideas

DukeBlueBall · Dec 17, 2019

anexanhume said:
No one in this thread, thank god. Nope.

Certainly not me nor thuway. 😂

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

anexanhume said:
No one in this thread, thank god. Nope.

🤦‍♂️

Papacheeks · Dec 17, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
It's gonna be interesting to see if lockheart hasn't been canned if they do 2 skus at launch or wait a bit. Part of me thinks they have cancelled the current iteration and will wait a while and beef it up a bit so it's more like like 32cu part and 6-7 rdna tflops. Launches fall 2021 at $299. I don't think Sony can get to $299 that soon if they only have 1 box.

BUT HAVING one box is the better way to go honestly. It makes it much easier to buyers, and having something that will be streamlined and down the line refreshed.

TheRealTalker said:
you mean PS NOW?

I feel Sony is holding something back with PS NOW until the PS5 is revealed/launch

some new strategy and new features/ideas

The fact that most of the stuff that has been teased or leaked has been small, and only recently. Sony is literally going to blow some shit UP!!!

Patent · Dec 17, 2019

DukeBlueBall said:
Certainly not me nor thuway. 😂

People have been thirsty i cant blame you for that....now being a duke fan that's harder to forgive

Deleted member 17092 · Dec 17, 2019

Also don't we pretty much already have games with no load times (fallen order)? Basically you will get intro load times down to almost nothing and not see the noticeable hitching you see in fallen order. Basically if you have a PC. Sure, it's nice, but it's not like some kind of mind blowing thing. In some ways I kind of like loading times. Gives my mind and my hands a break or a piss break. Sure you can press pause but I'm not gonna have a conniption if there's 30 second loads every now and then.

DukeBlueBall · Dec 17, 2019

Patent said:
People have been thirsty i cant blame you for that....now being a duke fan that's harder to forgive

I am one thirsty Duke fan.

Ringten · Dec 17, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
It's gonna be interesting to see if lockheart hasn't been canned if they do 2 skus at launch or wait a bit. Part of me thinks they have cancelled the current iteration and will wait a while and beef it up a bit so it's more like like 32cu part and 6-7 rdna tflops. Launches fall 2021 at $299. I don't think Sony can get to $299 that soon if they only have 1 box.

What makes me think Lockheart is real, is the recent emphasis on the console name being "Xbox" and this particular model being "series X".

That would seem to be they got another one already planned...

Deleted member 17092 · Dec 17, 2019

Ringten said:
What makes me think Lockheart is real, is the recent emphasis on the console name being "Xbox" and this particular model being "series X".

That would seem to be they got another one already planned...

yeah for sure. It at least seems to leave the door open. I think if we do see a name revision it's for sure a sign it's completely scrapped. If we don't I'd expect an s model within a year of launch.

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

DukeBlueBall said:
He is sitting on every single piece of information about the APUs in both consoles. The reason he wouldn't share anything is because he was spammed by thirsty people.

i remember the thuway tweet. it wasnt spamming. komachi threw a fit like a child.

i dont think i ever tweeted him but i do remember asking Apisak just what the actual gonzalo score was because 20000 up makes no sense. no reply. i mean how busy are these guys? they tweet all day and cant answer a simple question.

i also dont care for leakers sitting on info. thats all he does on twitter. literally leaks everything. now he grows a conscience?

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
Also don't we pretty much already have games with no load times (fallen order)? Basically you will get intro load times down to almost nothing and not see the noticeable hitching you see in fallen order. Basically if you have a PC. Sure, it's nice, but it's not like some kind of mind blowing thing. In some ways I kind of like loading times. Gives my mind and my hands a break or a piss break. Sure you can press pause but I'm not gonna have a conniption if there's 30 second loads every now and then.

JFO has all kinds of loading, think about when you slip through a tight crack or crevice. It's not a great console experience. Witcher was miserable. I can't wait to ditch the loading.

disco_potato · Dec 17, 2019

TheRealTalker said:
you mean PS NOW?

I feel Sony is holding something back with PS NOW until the PS5 is revealed/launch

some new strategy and new features/ideas

From 1st WIRED article

Sony's plans in this regard are still unclear—it's one of the many things Cerny is keeping mum on, saying only that "we are cloud-gaming pioneers, and our vision should become clear as we head toward launch"—but it's hard to think there won't be more news coming on that front.

But you know, PR talk so probably a big fat liar liar pants on fire.

Ringten · Dec 17, 2019

III-V said:
Witcher was miserable.

Huh? The Witcher 3 is mind blowing. There is barely any loading.

TheRealTalker · Dec 17, 2019

Papacheeks said:
The fact that most of the stuff that has been teased or leaked has been small, and only recently. Sony is literally going to blow some shit UP!!!

yup we shall see next year

disco_potato said:
From 1st WIRED article

But you know, PR talk so probably a big fat liar liar pants on fire.

damn Sony working on so much misdirection they forgot to do anything real for their next console

thanks for the quote I recall this one but I forgot were it came from until you enlightened me again to which I give my thanks

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

III-V said:
JFO has all kinds of loading, think about when you slip through a tight crack or crevice. It's not a great console experience. Witcher was miserable. I can't wait to ditch the loading.

its not just consoles. My PC experience has been pretty abysmal. took me an hour to realize that the hdr is busted on PC. its washed out like RDR2 was at launch. The stuttering has completely turned me off from playing it. For some reason, it doesnt offer 1800p resolution even though Gears 5 did it.

The game doesnt even look that great. i dont know why its running so poorly on PC. had to go down to high settings to get a stable 60 fps.

Lirion · Dec 17, 2019

danrbg said:
Look at the comment I am responding.

Misunderstood the context, my bad.

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

Ringten said:
Huh? The Witcher 3 is mind blowing. There is barely any loading.

The game is wonderful. 60-90+ second loading times are not.

bcatwilly · Dec 17, 2019

This thread could probably learn something from the creator of the original Xbox and God of War tweets on next gen consoles :)

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

So we had Duke, Thuway, Aegon and Colbert asking him questions? LMAO, we should have consolidated. ;)

MrDeveus · Dec 17, 2019

disco_potato said:
From 1st WIRED article

But you know, PR talk so probably a big fat liar liar pants on fire.

considering they are using Azure

RoboPlato · Dec 17, 2019

bcatwilly said:
This thread could probably learn something from the creator of the original Xbox and God of War tweets on next gen consoles :)

I still find it funny that the big tease for the Series X reveal was banter between Cory Barlog and Phil Spencer. Shu even posed excitedly with Phil after the show. Industry people are less antagonistic than everyone thinks.

bcatwilly · Dec 17, 2019

RoboPlato said:
I still find it funny that the big tease for the Series X reveal was banter between Cory Barlog and Phil Spencer. Shu even posed excitedly with Phil after the show. Industry people are less antagonistic than everyone thinks.

Yeah, I imagine that people making bank on all of us spending money on video games are pretty chill with each other in general :)

Chamber · Dec 17, 2019

III-V said:
JFO has all kinds of loading, think about when you slip through a tight crack or crevice. It's not a great console experience. Witcher was miserable. I can't wait to ditch the loading.

Yeah, I think "no loading" is a bigger selling point for next gen than better visuals. Video games already look good enough for most people.

Xeontech · Dec 17, 2019

thuway said:
Kleegamefan was the first. Before him, we had Colbert drawing these diagrams and multiple users repeatedly punting this idea of double digits.

Klee also said PS5 is a smidge more powerful. So if he's accurate on both the 10+ and the PS5 -he deserves a ton of apologies from that segment of the community who have been doubting his credentials.

He legit helped confirm the numbers for Dante the other day.

Actually prior to Klee, we had Jason and that other guy say next gen was more powerful than Stadia (10.7tf)

So I count those.

bcatwilly · Dec 17, 2019

Chamber said:
Yeah, I think "no loading" is a bigger selling point for next gen than better visuals. Video games already look good enough for most people.

That is where the idea of a Lockhart could actually gain some traction with still having an SSD, as some may be interested in the faster/no loading experience for less money. An interesting concept if they do put that option out to market for sure.

Kyoufu · Dec 17, 2019

Chamber said:
Yeah, I think "no loading" is a bigger selling point for next gen than better visuals. Video games already look good enough for most people.

Plus people expect better graphics from a new gen anyway. They also expect shitty performance and long load times too because that's the track record of consoles for over a decade now, so it's good for Sony & Microsoft to point out that hey, we've got ultra fast SSDs now that can eliminate wait times and hey, look at that, we can do better with frame rates as well.

DrowsyJungle · Dec 17, 2019

I feel like Hellblade II showed us that the visual bar can be raised but it seems as if Sony is pushing a narrative to distract us away from graphics (aka loading times), which could be a sign that they're not as competitive in that area.

DriftingSpirit · Dec 17, 2019

DrowsyJungle said:
I feel like Hellblade II showed us that the visual bar can be raised but it seems as if Sony is pushing a narrative to distract us away from graphics (aka loading times), which could be a sign that they're not as competitive in that area.

You tried.

Hey Please · Dec 17, 2019

Reading through the threadmarks, thanks be to anexanhume for essentially triggering the bullseye.

So, if XseX if going wide and slow, what are the chances that PS5 is going lean and fast (if the rumours about APU size and the consequent 52CU rumours are somewhat worth their salts)?

I can only wonder what kind of cooling solutions PS5 will have to implement given XseX may, in all likelihood, settle for vapor chamber.

Sekiro · Dec 17, 2019

Wonder how many OT's we can burn through until Holiday 2020?

guessing 7 more OT's

DriftingSpirit · Dec 17, 2019

TheRealTalker said:
you mean PS NOW?

I feel Sony is holding something back with PS NOW until the PS5 is revealed/launch

some new strategy and new features/ideas

I thought he was talking about RAM.

thuway · Dec 17, 2019

i-Lo said:
Reading through the threadmarks, thanks be to anexanhume for essentially triggering the bullseye.

So, if XseX if going wide and slow, what are the chances that PS5 is going lean and fast (if the rumours about APU size and the consequent 52CU rumours are somewhat worth their salts)?

I can only wonder what kind of cooling solutions PS5 will have to implement given XseX may, in all likelihood, settle for vapor chamber.

If the worst case scenario is 10 VS 12-the difference is nothing.

DrowsyJungle · Dec 17, 2019

DriftingSpirit said:
You tried.

To do...?

Seganomics · Dec 17, 2019

Kyoufu said:
Plus people expect better graphics from a new gen anyway. They also expect shitty performance and long load times too because that's the track record of consoles for over a decade now, so it's good for Sony & Microsoft to point out that hey, we've got ultra fast SSDs now that can eliminate wait times and hey, look at that, we can do better with frame rates as well.

Better load times are nice, which I think there was a sly reference to in the Senua Saga sizzle with the load indicator in the corner and then the game begins. But graphic wise what we have seen from the Senua trailer and whatever Sony shows put of the gate isn't going to progress greatly over the consoles life. Think about Ryse and Shadowfall, games built to demonstrate the consoles power that still hold hold up even at the end of this gen. The devil will be in the details.

disco_potato · Dec 17, 2019

MrDeveus said:
considering they are using Azure

Yes? continue...

Deleted member 59519 · Dec 17, 2019

Edit - nvm

DrowsyJungle · Dec 17, 2019

Seganomics said:
Better load times are nice, which I think there was a sly reference to in the Senua Saga sizzle with the load indicator in the corner and then the game begins. But graphic wise what we have seen from the Senua trailer and whatever Sony shows put of the gate isn't going to progress greatly over the consoles life. Think about Ryse and Shadowfall, games built to demonstrate the consoles power that still hold hold up even at the end of this gen. The devil will be in the details.

Raytracing, animations and physics will be the difference makers for sure. Also with the improvements to CPU, GPU, Storage and RAM i don't think we've seen anything yet.

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