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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Yeah, it could still go either way and we will see.
What is more "face value" than literally finding the GPU that is 2x the power of the X1X GPU at 4K and extrapolating from there?
It's like people just don't want to hear it because it goes against the crash course direction of the hype train.
it's 1.17x faster in 4k but that doesn't matter, vega 64 performance is not a case here
Pretty much the same with maybe a OLED screen and twice the RAM?
One thing I took away from the DF Direct video is how "meh" the 5700XT is. When it showed Hitman 2 at 4K hovering around 30fps on Xbox One X, the 5700XT with the same graphic presents only doubled the frame rate. So in my simple brain, all this next-gen equates to is same quality graphics but doubling the frame rate to 60. Or prettier graphics but still a crap 30fps. I hope I'm way off mark.
It's a lower quality source material that looks cardboard like after processing.
I'm curious if it's any larger. The Project Scorpio devkit was a tad larger than the X with the screen and buttons on the front.
+ Thunderbolt 3, 10 Gig Ethernet, bigger NVMe and a different color (maybe?)
They showed at the end of the video it is made out of paper and some other reused materials like a basket.
RDNA/Navi TFLOPS is a very new concept, a scenario where SX used a slightly downclocked Vega 64 early on & 12 TFLOPS was talked around the office isn't impossible.
It seems a bit of a coincidence that the 5700 XT is so close to the Vega 64, it's like someone wanted a 7nm Vega 64, though this is just speculation for fun.
It is what it is. The media outlets are split about those numbers as we are.
I think that shows how well MS has kept this underwraps. As it's been said by Jason, since the majority of 3rd party support for the first year will be primarily crossgen, getting the dev kits too them late isn't necessarily a bad thing but from the sounds of it all XGS devs have the kits and are working on next gen titles.
On the note of trying to figure out what is in the box, isn't AMD doing another CES presser in January?
Yes and I expect them to make a tease about BIG Navi aka RDNA2. But just a little tease of what to come.
Exactly.
If it weren't 12 TF's MS would have came out and corrected this right away to avoid disappointment. Allowing people to think you have 12 TF RDNA when you only have 10 TF's would be a bad idea especially when Phil himself came out and stated "when you do the math the GPU is 2X more powerful than the GPU of the XB1X".
I don't know if it's that crazy to say both MS & Sony looked at the Vega 64 back in 2017/18 & said "we want that, but smaller & cheaper"
But AMD have made better GPUs than the Vega 64 for both PC and consoles.
Vega 64 was their best GPU for a long time & right around when next gen consoles started to be written up. 5700/XT are just a few months old. Radeon VII is more of a cut down work station GPU, only ken kutaragi would ask for that.
Yes, but what is your point? If Sony and Microsoft told AMD they wanted Vega 64 but smaller and cheaper, you'd end up with something inferior to their Navi line.
My mistake then. The source I grabbed from said 3D printed. Too much JPEG going on for my eyes to tell otherwise.
No problem. You really can't watch and read all the stuff thats on the internet. So we help each other with information.
Finally, we're back to talking about what he actually said!
"We did the math - 2x the power of X1X"
Power doesn't just mean teraflops. It should take into consideration efficiency and be based on what the final actual performance is like. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's 12TFlops RDNA 2.0 and he just simply meant 6->12 but that seems like a long shot.
That was my thinking too. It makes pretty much no sense to be talking about 2x performance with regards to TFlops, when it would actually mean closer to 2.5x or to 3x (RDNA 2.0 mystery factor) the real world performance. He didn't say "more than 2x".
Unless Sony actually doesn't know the specs somehow and he's trying to undersell it at this stage or maybe he got it wrong or was actually just talking about teraflops for some reason.
But that sounds to me like wishful thinking to be honest. I know klee said 12 TF RDNA 2.0 but it could have been a misunderstanding. RDNA 2.0 and equivalent to about 12 TFlops GCN. That would actually make it seem plausible to be in a console unless AMD turned into efficiency wizards. The 5700XT was super hot.
"We did the math - 2x the power of X1X"
Power doesn't just mean teraflops. It should take into consideration efficiency and be based on what the final actual performance is like. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's 12TFlops RDNA 2.0 and he just simply meant 6->12 but that seems like a long shot.
That was my thinking too. It makes pretty much no sense to be talking about 2x performance with regards to TFlops, when it would actually mean closer to 2.5x or to 3x (RDNA 2.0 mystery factor) the real world performance. He didn't say "more than 2x".
Unless Sony actually doesn't know the specs somehow and he's trying to undersell it at this stage or maybe he got it wrong or was actually just talking about teraflops for some reason.
But that sounds to me like wishful thinking to be honest. I know klee said 12 TF RDNA 2.0 but it could have been a misunderstanding. RDNA 2.0 and equivalent to about 12 TFlops GCN. That would actually make it seem plausible to be in a console unless AMD turned into efficiency wizards. The 5700XT was super hot.
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Im not sure whats hard to get, early kits might have had a Vega 64 but obviously downclocked, that nets it very neatly at 12 GCN Tflops & 2x the performance of XBX, the 12 tf's talk isn't a lie because that's probably what they aimed for & what most insiders have heard about the SX, now they swapped over to RDNA & we are hearing "well it's an RDNA GPU, so it must be RDNA TFLOPS" this is super easy to get lost in translation & cause confusion.
No one back in 2017/18 would have described the SX as GCN TFLOPS, that's a very new talking point, it would have been straight up discussed as 12 TFLOPS.
Hopefully, they can use the time they save with raytracing for those things.
MS will have a riot on their hands with the 12 TF numbers floating around if this is the case, and I'm sure they know that, which makes me believe it's actually 12 TF and not "equivalent to 12 GCN TF".
Halfway there. Just one more console to spec and see
Effectively no one else knows about teraflops outside of this thread.
All he'd have to say is 2x the power thanks to improvements in architecture. He never mentioned teraflops. We just ran with it because that's what we were talking about "12 is double 6!" 12 RDNA confirmed!
~7.8tf rx5700 is faster than vega 64, do you think xbox series x has 7.8 navi tf ? :-) (yes, we are back to 7tf ;d)
That is about as far as AMD compute has advanced since the X1X has released.
Look at the response to the 5500 XT launch. It's pretty much matching the RX 580, despite being the low end card. It doubles the performance of the RX 560 at the same settings.
Yes but they didn't clarify that, and now the 12 TF number is out in the wild. And even though MS never said 12 TF, people will be disappointed if the actual number is less, hence why I think Microsoft would have said something by now if it was actually around 10 TF.
That's due to much higher clock speeds alone honestly. clock speeds will be a different issue on Consoles & can't be compared to PC versions of GPU's.
Saying anything at this stage would draw massive attention to this issue and give the people the message "it's not as powerful as we thought" before we even know what the competition has. No way they'd say anything, they don't need to. He just said twice as powerful, nothing about actual specs.
I admit there's a chance...but I really think he'd say more than twice as powerful if it was. It was their first big reveal.
What are you talking about? Last console we saw was clocked high, with a vastly better cooling solution.
Klee also confirmed slightly over 12 NAVI TFLOPS
Does DF not have goood inside sources with MS anymore?
Member warned: Platform warring
Finally PC Master race and Sony Ponies can unite in their spec dread concern trolling.
The X is about 200-300mhz slower than an RX 580 on average.
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