XB SX Is big in both positions. I can't put it in front of my TV. A fact.
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XB SX Is big in both positions. I can't put it in front of my TV. A fact.
I cannot put in my cabinet. A fact too. But I need to solve this ;) And I will be able to.
I hope I can solve it too. I don't have a place where to put a device uncer the table on top of which my TV is sitting so the console has to be there too.
First world problems (we both have) LOL
Besides, my expectation was a smaller form factor for Xbox and all my thoughts were based on that foundation. If Sony goes with a bigger form factor too I can see they can "cage a dragon" ;)
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Though, volume may not so much different as expected after thinking about it.
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So devs are told to make the SSD special when asked about the PS5 so I guess Sony reveal will make that a big focus.So according to this article, more of Godfall will be show in spring 2020. Might be at a PS5 event?
How Godfall Takes Advantage of the PS5 Tech and Controller, More About its World and Gameplay - Keith Lee Interview - PlayStation LifeStyle
We talked with Keith Lee from Counterplay Games to find out how Godfall PS5 takes advantage of the next-gen tech and the new controller features. We also learned more about its world and gameplay.www.playstationlifestyle.net
It seems like you may not have understood me in a few areas- some of your statements seem a bit garbled here. Let me clarify to make sure we're on the same page.
1.) Sony is quite aggressive and always has been with the PS hardware and software. The PS4 is the most conservative system they've ever put out, in fact. Prior to this they were notorious for going balls to the wall with strange, custom hardware that was quite powerful yet difficult to master. Even so as we've seen the PS4 hardware get more conservative, we've seen them take MORE risks with their software and first party efforts.
Your example of PSNow is nonsensical. Sony bought Gaikai *7 years ago* for **$380 million USD** based largely on potential. Is that "not being aggressive?" a lot of people will disagree with you. PSNow isn't "ignored by everyone" it's the largest streaming service that exists. Now, is there missed potential there? absolutely. Sony could have done more with it- but there's not really a good reason to. The infrastructure to make a purely streaming only service just isn't there yet. We've seen this with Stadia. Despite google's piles of money and massive datacenters they own, the platform is nowhere NEAR what was promised and does not appear as if it can be for a very long while. The streaming model also makes sony WAY less money than direct sales of software, which they are very, very good at. Microsoft on the other hand is NOT good at selling consoles in comparison, which is why you're seeing the shift to gamepass and xcloud, because the console war is over. Sony has won that battle.
If Microsoft wants to lose money giving away gamepass subscriptions to build the kind of base that Sony already has, more power to them- but there's no reason for Sony to push PSnow the same way.
2.) Microsoft is investing a lot of money into pushing gamepass and Xcloud. They are NOT putting a lot of money into losing fistfuls of money on console hardware- because there simply IS no way to beat Sony selling consoles when they don't exist in half the market where Sony competes. So does making Gamepass a loss leader to make inroads in those territories make sense? possibly. Does losing $200 a box on Xbox Series X systems to price cut Sony make sense? absolutely not.
3.) You misunderstood my statements about profits entirely. no one was speaking about the 360. We're talking about microsoft's profits RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW, not in the "360 era", only about 9% of Microsoft's revenue is coming from gaming, in its entirety. 90% of that revenue is coming from somewhere else. It's not a big revenue driver. in fact, everything Xbox and gaming related period is only marginally more than Microsoft makes from Bing. Yes, Bing. That thing no one uses and microsoft barely bothers to mention anymore.
Sony on the other hand is a completely different story.
Game and network services is the LARGEST sector of sony's business by far. it's a full quarter of sony's 79 Billion USD revenue in FY 18, and double what Home Entertainment and Financial Services brings in. Playstation is CRITICAL to the success of Sony as a business, and Sony treats it as such.
So when asking "who is in a better position to agressively price a console product'" the answer is- as I said- Sony. Sony's PS division is more critical to the organization, and game and network services is FAR more profitable as a division than Microsoft's gaming segment is.
There's no coherent reason why Microsoft WOULD throw a bunch of money at Xbox, even if they had not previously demonstrated with Xbox as well as other divisions such as zune, bing, surface, and windows phone that they will not float them indefinitely with profits from office, windows, and azure. There's a fantasy that Microsoft will simply use piles of cash to dump hardware at fire sale prices to win the sector- Microsoft has *never* done this. Not with Xbox, not with anything.
Honestly thought it was less. ~10% is actually a really significant part of their business.
Plus I'd suggest that some of the Azure revenue is cross-charged from Xbox division.
It also works as a marketing device for their non-traditional customers into their other services.
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Yikes, seems Anthony Hopkins went full on platform warrior in the Godfall thread and flew too close to the sun.
Caught himself a nice one month ban. Pour out a 40 for the dude.
10% is "really significant"???? You must have a very low bar for your definition, friend.
Caught himself a nice one month ban. Pour out a 40 for the dude.
10% is "really significant"???? You must have a very low bar for your definition, friend.
Oh finally some real fooage not 3D. We got an idea. It's a PC case and huge.
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oh Anthony... there's been third party Playstation exclusives for the PS4 every year.
I really really like the industrial design of the Series X, I hope the the PS5 is similarly bold.
Throw him in the perma-pit with Kayle, he ain't ever gonna change.
Was bored and made a concept of what I think the PS5 could look like.
Would you guys like the PS5 to look like this?
(the vent is a subtle V shape)
I like it! Reminds me a bit of the XB1X but that's ok. I would love to see Sony do something "cleaner" than the angled sandwiches. I always thought the PS2 slim was elegant, would love something like that again (obviously larger).
Surprise surprise, "general consensus" is wrong again :) Call it a hunch but I'm sure MS was always aiming for 3.5 GHz+. Wouldn't be shocked if we get PS5 GPU slightly faster, but XSX CPU slightly faster.
It seems like you may not have understood me in a few areas- some of your statements seem a bit garbled here. Let me clarify to make sure we're on the same page.
1.) Sony is quite aggressive and always has been with the PS hardware and software. The PS4 is the most conservative system they've ever put out, in fact. Prior to this they were notorious for going balls to the wall with strange, custom hardware that was quite powerful yet difficult to master. Even so as we've seen the PS4 hardware get more conservative, we've seen them take MORE risks with their software and first party efforts.
Your example of PSNow is nonsensical. Sony bought Gaikai *7 years ago* for **$380 million USD** based largely on potential. Is that "not being aggressive?" a lot of people will disagree with you. PSNow isn't "ignored by everyone" it's the largest streaming service that exists. Now, is there missed potential there? absolutely. Sony could have done more with it- but there's not really a good reason to. The infrastructure to make a purely streaming only service just isn't there yet. We've seen this with Stadia. Despite google's piles of money and massive datacenters they own, the platform is nowhere NEAR what was promised and does not appear as if it can be for a very long while. The streaming model also makes sony WAY less money than direct sales of software, which they are very, very good at. Microsoft on the other hand is NOT good at selling consoles in comparison, which is why you're seeing the shift to gamepass and xcloud, because the console war is over. Sony has won that battle.
If Microsoft wants to lose money giving away gamepass subscriptions to build the kind of base that Sony already has, more power to them- but there's no reason for Sony to push PSnow the same way.
2.) Microsoft is investing a lot of money into pushing gamepass and Xcloud. They are NOT putting a lot of money into losing fistfuls of money on console hardware- because there simply IS no way to beat Sony selling consoles when they don't exist in half the market where Sony competes. So does making Gamepass a loss leader to make inroads in those territories make sense? possibly. Does losing $200 a box on Xbox Series X systems to price cut Sony make sense? absolutely not.
3.) You misunderstood my statements about profits entirely. no one was speaking about the 360. We're talking about microsoft's profits RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW, not in the "360 era", only about 9% of Microsoft's revenue is coming from gaming, in its entirety. 90% of that revenue is coming from somewhere else. It's not a big revenue driver. in fact, everything Xbox and gaming related period is only marginally more than Microsoft makes from Bing. Yes, Bing. That thing no one uses and microsoft barely bothers to mention anymore.
Sony on the other hand is a completely different story.
Game and network services is the LARGEST sector of sony's business by far. it's a full quarter of sony's 79 Billion USD revenue in FY 18, and double what Home Entertainment and Financial Services brings in. Playstation is CRITICAL to the success of Sony as a business, and Sony treats it as such.
So when asking "who is in a better position to agressively price a console product'" the answer is- as I said- Sony. Sony's PS division is more critical to the organization, and game and network services is FAR more profitable as a division than Microsoft's gaming segment is.
There's no coherent reason why Microsoft WOULD throw a bunch of money at Xbox, even if they had not previously demonstrated with Xbox as well as other divisions such as zune, bing, surface, and windows phone that they will not float them indefinitely with profits from office, windows, and azure. There's a fantasy that Microsoft will simply use piles of cash to dump hardware at fire sale prices to win the sector- Microsoft has *never* done this. Not with Xbox, not with anything.
On the specific point, you're probably right - MS is not going to flush tons of money on XSX to the point of undercutting Sony by $100+.
Bigger picture, though, I think you're wrong. Having something be such a huge share of company profits makes you conservative. This was MS's problem with Windows/Office back in the day, and now Apple with iPhone, Ford with the F150, or any other example of a dominant product. You can't take big risks, or else you might kill the golden goose. Sony knows they need to sell another 100 million consoles just to tread water with where they are today - anything less than that would be a shocking failure.
(I am talking here about risks in terms of market strategy, not risks in terms of individual games or whatever.)
Meanwhile I guarantee you Satya Nadella is not sitting in meetings with Phil saying "gee Phil I'll be so happy if you can just keep chugging along at 10% of our revenue and 45 million consoles." No, he wants to see Xbox/gaming become an Office/Azure/Windows scale business. That's why they're shelling out a ton of money for studios, Game Pass, streamers, xCloud blades, etc. That's why they've completely reorganized to make Xbox co-equal to those other parts of the company. Fast, significant growth is the goal. And it's much easier to change course and take risks when you're only risking 10% of the company.
And btw, this point is wrong: "If Microsoft wants to lose money giving away gamepass subscriptions to build the kind of base that Sony already has more power to them- but there's no reason for Sony to push PSnow the same way." GamePass has far more subs than PS Now does. That's why you see Sony trying to undercut MS on price and increase their perceived catalog quality: in this specific sub-market, they are the one trying to catch up to a much larger opponent.
So no, Microsoft probably won't sell XSX for $399 if PS5 is at $499. But they will, for example, take on the cost of designing a second $299 console and making all their games available day 1 for a $10 charge. Which in the end is basically the same thing as subsidizing XSX would be. Spending money now to make money later, in a way that Sony wouldn't dare.
I'm sure warriors will turn this around and say "yeah they wish they were Sony making all that money!" which... yes, duh :) The whole point of taking risks when you're behind is to try to turn into the conservative incumbent in the future. It's why in many ways Sony was at their best late PS3 when they were trying to overtake the 360, doing crazy awesome shit like the Instant Game Collection. It's the great circle of
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It's basically a pc also explain in some way how 12tf is possible
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Because it's a mid range GPU & AMD knows people will pay $400 for it, they even tried to charge $500 at first.
5700 XT should be $299, maybe $250.
Because these GPU's will be most likeley based on RDNA 2.0, we know nothing about these cards except for Ray Tracing.
Mecha Meister Great work on the OT! The name is unlucky cause it represents only one Next Gen console (for now) and the thread is about both. Nevertheless you are doing an amazing job
I haven't seen any insiders saying the ps5 is slightly stronger anymore since the series X was revealed
Oh okey i didnt know that. I thought its gonna be some variant of RDNA 1.0 considering it was just released couple of months ago
Who's been saying anything lately? It hasn't even been 48 hours.
I think that's because it's no longer the case.
PS5 is going to be slightly less powerful but it's gonna be cheaper aswell. (imo)
Klee said all his previous claims aside from lockhart still stands.
PS5 being slightly more powerful is one of those.
regardless, I couldnt care less as Jason is reporting both are very close so why does it matter really? buy the console with the games you like and call it a day.
This was a staged scene with focus on one character. Some games who discard enough things could get some elements realistic, but on a whole, we're not there. Game rendering still has to go a loooong way to reach realistic visuals.
How the fuck does this thread always turn back to "so Xbox is stronger right since they are 12TF right? No insider have said PS is stronger since that news!"
There have never been anyone saying Xbox is stronger with any credibility since the 12TF reveal and the one insider we got have said that PS5 was still slightly stronger (by confirming nothing have changed).
There have never been anyone saying Xbox is stronger with any credibility since the 12TF reveal and the one insider we got have said that PS5 was still slightly stronger (by confirming nothing have changed).
Also, everyone doesn't get involved in console wars like some seem to want, so why would he keep repeating himself over n over.
It really shouldn't be that serious.
I'm starting to hope Series X is stronger, maybe it will make some ppl chill out. But thats a pipe dream. It's going to get worse.
Was this leak from January real? Or was it piggybacking some other rumor?
They didn't have CPU clock speeds however.
Ps5 info is wrong too.Was this leak from January real? Or was it piggybacking some other rumor?
They didn't have CPU clock speeds however.
I could see that being their initial 2019 release target specs.
The PS5 info seems to be before the delay though. Would explain Penello's earlier comments. Seems Sony surprised MS at E3 this year.
seems like it had the real Scarlett specs with a lot of other BS to me.Was this leak from January real? Or was it piggybacking some other rumor?
They didn't have CPU clock speeds however.
What I dont get is this running narrative that developers were working with 10+ teraflops Scarlett before last week's briefing to developers. I dont see it. Matt didn't seem surprised, so didn't Schreier. Even if you count Digital Foundry, they said they've heard about the Anaconda 12 teraflops rumor way earlier this year.
It's one of the 'show me the receipts moment' because as far as I know, the 10+ teraflops assumption was born out of speculation on here, and Beyond3D.
Komachi has also decided not to leak out any Arden and Oberon news for months, so that has left quite a gap of technical leaks that we could work with.
It's one of the 'show me the receipts moment' because as far as I know, the 10+ teraflops assumption was born out of speculation on here, and Beyond3D.
Komachi has also decided not to leak out any Arden and Oberon news for months, so that has left quite a gap of technical leaks that we could work with.
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*fridge door opens, shoots a beer can from the fridge *
"Thanks!"
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Well shit we might have twins after all:
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The leaning tower of playstation.
'if kits have only just started going out,maybe they were working with pc kits and 5700xt to give an indication of performance?
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