It was better than the S, which has had pretty constant price pressure.
Also the X was largely about trying to reverse a narrative with a relatively niche product. It's not the basis for their next platform.
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Also the X was largely about trying to reverse a narrative with a relatively niche product. It's not the basis for their next platform.
Very much so yes. A PS5 at those theoretical specs would be much more capable for VR than the current situation with the PS4/Pro. A big part is the leap in CPU since the graphical side will be easier to scale for VR.
To be fair it will depend on how well MS communicates this advantage, not only with words but also with exclusives that show off their system. If most games show minimal differences, it'll be a tougher sell for them.
It could go either way really. Even IF, and that's a big IF, MS wait to see how Sony prices the PS5, they may launch Lockhart anyways just to undercut them on price.
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Is the consensus that Lockhart is 100% going to be a low priced consumer box, or is there still a segment of people who think it's only purpose is to be a 1080p cloud unit?
I know it can be both a cloud unit and a low priced consumer unit, I'm just curious where the most people are at on the subject.
I know it can be both a cloud unit and a low priced consumer unit, I'm just curious where the most people are at on the subject.
NOICE.
Link?
Imo:
Ariel = 2019 PS5.
Oberon = 2020 PS5.
316mm2 x 1.15 = 363mm2.
e: I understand these links dont always work on this forum based on ppp so here is the quote:
Matt do you see it harder to get people away from there current console eco system ?
Every gen there is a rest taking into account certain factors but coming from this gen things seem so different from the past in ways.
Interesting. So the relationship between the Series X and Lockhart isn't completely analogous to that of the One X and One S?
Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall. And, despite all the rumors about devkits being...
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No he's just repeating himself. 350 is 15% more than 300.
I personally believe this leak was legit:
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I think 300 / 350 are rough estimates.
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Hmm Aquarius has access to info but his conclusions are terrible.
Sparkman for handheld?
Sega Xbox?
wut.
The two takeways for me is that Sparkman = ~180mm2. Ariel began in 2017, which fits timetables for 2019 PS5.
Sparkman for handheld?
Sega Xbox?
wut.
The two takeways for me is that Sparkman = ~180mm2. Ariel began in 2017, which fits timetables for 2019 PS5.
To what degree do you think this will effect next gen? In the sense of, if both systems have full BC, will people largely just trade in their current console for its successor, so each company's market share doesn't actually change that much?
Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall. And, despite all the rumors about devkits being...
Many thanks to you both. I'd love for him to elaborate on that comment further but I'm sure he wouldn't touch this thread with a 10 foot poll lol.
Yeah. It's going to be even harder than normal to get people to switch.
Well yeah, it has to be, even just by virtue of the SX launching from the start. It's the lead platform, it's going to be a much bigger part of the user base than the X is.
If that happen this gen DF going to have a lot to talk about when it comes to multiplats
Doesn't this conflict with Cerny saying:
"There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware,"
Doesn't that mean their solution has to be on the die too?
Honestly, these kind of differences would be much more interesting to see DF do analysis on vs. what we have now.
It is possible was talking about it before .
Like how some of that stuff is on the PS4 pro die .
Still don't seem like something Cerny would do but here we are .
I'd like to bring up the topic of chiplets again if I may. I know in the past it's been typically dismissed because of the phrasing used to describe the next gen chips, but is there any potential reason to think chiplets will play a part in either console? :)
I think Sony gamers are a lost cause and they shouldn't aim for them. But the new console gamer, which is what Microsoft is doing and should be doing
I'm gonna say this a lot but I expect MS to have Lockhart a big loss leader in price to get people into the Xbox Ecosystem, having Game Pass + allowing gamers to play their games on XCloud is what I think a big marketing push.
Fair, though I was talking more about how it would affect game quality in the long run than how it would sell. I agree that casual types would care more about the immediate price point, but I disagree with them, similar to how I wish the Pro had been a stronger $499 machine.
He thinks Sparksman is either Lockhart or handheld SOC.
He also speculates that ps5 die is smaller because it doesn't contain rt cores and that Sony is using its own rt solution/die.
His conclusions are awful because he said Sony might be going with nvidia for rt lmao. Or maybe he's joking and its lost in translation.
I think he should say the numbers and the facts and leave the speculation to pros like us. 😂
The Nvidia part is another poster's text in blue. His reply is that the difference in die size might be RT.
If that's true then MS is on 7nm+, due to 56CUs vs 36CUS.
No, that would not be a good idea.
Expanding the market is great, and that's a big focus with Xcloud, but that's a much longer-term bet. The people that already play consoles will spend a lot more and drive adoption better than those new customers.
MS can't just ignore 100 million incredibly valuable potential customers.
I don't think that's the case on hardware for consoles (except for Nintendo). I think they break even on the box at best to bring in the whales. But I know you know that which makes your statement kinda puzzling.
Not Matt, but this gen absolutely felt like the best chance for ecosystem lock-in and the worst time for Microsoft to shit the bed
I mean those who are getting their first console. Like I say $250 Lockhart console + Game Pass is a big incentive. Especially for a price-sensitive market and Sony's unwillingness to embrace Subscription Gaming by putting first party on day 1.
But there's no doubt in the Cloud Gaming world, Microsoft's definitely got the services, infrastructure and the partnerships to do well in that market.
Yep i was also telling my self that .
Even with cross play making these easier so much things now tie to your eco systems.
When there is one SKU. But if they are going with a low end and high end, part of the point of the high end is to reduce losses with customers who are willing to pay more.
It seems to be it's own block, and not tightly coupled with the rest of the GPU.
Interesting if true. I wonder how it would compare to Nvidia's and AMD's solutions.
While BC will be a factor, gamers are a fickle bunch so both companies should be trying to win everyone they can. I think them premiering their console with the hellblade trailer was intentionally trying to grab the same attention Sony has been enjoying for a while now.
I definitely agree with you there. I won't say I'm bothered by it but the differences between the Pro and 1X versions are usually noticeable when I'm playing with friends on my playstation. It would be great to have more of an even experience when I'm playing on either console next gen. Hopefully crossplay will be more popular next gen so even if there is a gap, I can still play with friends the other console.
It'll be interesting to see BOM estimates post launch. Feels like we're charting new territory this gen for strategy which is exciting. My business/marketing degree senses are tingling.
Why don't we actually add Xbox Series X to title instead of calling it "next xbox?"
The market for new people getting consoles is not really that meaningful (save for kids who grow into it). There aren't 100M new people that want a game console, no matter how good a value GP is. And even if there was a big market to be had there, those users would still spend much less than existing core gamers.
MS needs to go after Sony's userbase. That's where the money is for many more years.
Could you imagine if Lockhart was actually an XBOX Switch using new mobile AMD SOC all along.
DAY 0.
Too good to be true. A handheld that's comparable with XB1s in power would be $399 at least.
Then Ybarra was right. They are going to need some serious AAA firepower to convince PS gamers to miss out on Spider-Man, GoW, Horizon etc.
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