Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)

[Shpeshal Nick]

Too many people here setting themselves up for disappointment.

Understand that even if both these consoles wind up as 9TF boxes, when paired with the new CPUs, SSDs and all the other goodies they'll be amazing boxes.

Anything more is a bonus. If you look at 2013, we're getting a MASSIVE leap even at 9.

 

[Deleted member 19767]

Theres been about 30 pages of folks attempting to outright discount the data as if it's meaningless. That's a lot of individual effort over a "toy".

You even took a jab at the data yourself a few pages back.

What I said was absolutely true. And honestly I can't imagine why my comment made you have such an outburst but it wasn't necessary to respond in that manner.

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Concerted implies some sort of plan or coordination. This thread is plenty of proof that no one can get along when teraflops are involved. What you saw was 30 pages of individuals each asking questions and speculating what it all means - in a thread about discussing and speculating.

 

[Sirolf]

Some folks really need to calm down ...

 

[Derktron]

Some folks really need to calm down ...

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[vivftp]

That sounds pricey as well though. I thought Sony said they wanted to transition players from PS4 to PS5 quickly. If the 5 is pricey, they won't accomplish that goal. For the record, I prefer they push the tech as far as they can...so I am happy if it is high-end/pricey because that means we will not get something that is outdated almost at release (like the CPU in both consoles).

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The whole thing about transitioning customers at an unprecedented rate could play out in any number of ways. Launch customers are mostly going to be the hardcore crowd so the vast majority of them won't care as much if it's 400 or 500 dollars. There are a lot of factors that could make that statement true:

- Supply. If they have more units available at launch and in the first year than and previous console then they have the opportunity to sell more units. Afterall, you can't sell at an unprecedented rate if you don't have units to sell.
- Games. If they have sequels for God of War or Spider-Man or Horizon in the first year that will prompt a HUGE influx of customers who want to play those games as all of their PS4 variants are 10 million+ sellers
- China. The PS4 wasn't sold in China until January 2015 due to the ban the country had. If the PS5 can launch day 1 in China that opens them up to a massive market they previously weren't able to sell to at launch
- Backwards Compatibility. In the last year of the PS4 they're launching Death Stranding, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, The Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima as major AAA exclusives. There will be gamers who want to experience the best version of those games on the PS5. Not to mention if the PS5 offers some form of general BC that'll entire more people to jump on board. If it can play older gen console games like PS1 to 3 that's even more incentive to jump on board


Just off the top of my head I think they've got a lot of avenues to entice people to jump on board at a record pace despite the price. At $500 the PS5 will sell out regardless, that's not even up for debate IMO. If they can keep stocking enough units and give people enough reasons to jump on board then they'll set records.

 

[Premium]

Concerted implies some sort of plan or coordination. This thread is plenty of proof that no one can get along when teraflops are involved. What you saw was 30 pages of individuals each asking questions and speculating what it all means - in a thread about discussing and speculating.

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Concerted effort based on fans attempting to undermine numbers because they don't point to an outcome deemed desirable.

 

[Deleted member 10747]

Yes, with PS3 CELL CPU, they could do RT back then:





In fact:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6916...cell-cpu-far-stronger-new-intel-cpus/amp.html

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OMG that brings back memories and also answers some questions. I was always wondering why they were modeling a car when they (just? don't remember. It was either ending 2005 or begin 2006) released Killzone. I saw that exact red car model when i was invited to visit Guerilla Games.

If people are interested in the story behind how i got to meet Hermen Hulst and got to visit Guerilla Games. I will gladly tell about it and what my experience was visiting and interacting with Hermen Hulst and the people behind Kilzone.

 

[litebrite]

Too many people here setting themselves up for disappointment.

Understand that even if both these consoles wind up as 9TF boxes, when paired with the new CPUs, SSDs and all the other goodies they'll be amazing boxes.

Anything more is a bonus. If you look at 2013, we're getting a MASSIVE leap even at 9.

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Agreed.

 

[Deleted member 19767]

Too many people here setting themselves up for disappointment.

Understand that even if both these consoles wind up as 9TF boxes, when paired with the new CPUs, SSDs and all the other goodies they'll be amazing boxes.

Anything more is a bonus. If you look at 2013, we're getting a MASSIVE leap even at 9.

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I can agree with this. Expectations are through the roof for both Sony and MS. One will have a more powerful box than the other. Both will look incredible.
I think the talk of 12+ TF is bound to disappoint at this rate.

 

[vivftp]

Too many people here setting themselves up for disappointment.

Understand that even if both these consoles wind up as 9TF boxes, when paired with the new CPUs, SSDs and all the other goodies they'll be amazing boxes.

Anything more is a bonus. If you look at 2013, we're getting a MASSIVE leap even at 9.

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It's fine if you wish to personally predict more conservative specs for the next gen consoles, but I'm not sure why you feel the need to rain on the parade of those who wish to go higher with their predictions. Especially when there's more than enough evidence to suggest higher specs are going to happen.

 

[patapon]

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🤣🤣🤣

 

[Deleted member 19767]

Concerted effort based on fans attempting to undermine numbers because they don't point to an outcome deemed desirable.

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I think you're seeing or assuming the worst.

There were legitimate reasons to question the numbers. Both with regards to dates/timing, but also with respect to what we've been told by multiple insiders so far - that is, both consoles are very close.

That's not undermining. That's discussion and speculation.

 

[Jade1962]

Concerted effort based on fans attempting to undermine numbers because they don't point to an outcome deemed desirable.

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Not many disagreed with the info only with what it meant for actual final PS5 specs.

 

[Kyoufu]

Too many people here setting themselves up for disappointment.

Understand that even if both these consoles wind up as 9TF boxes, when paired with the new CPUs, SSDs and all the other goodies they'll be amazing boxes.

Anything more is a bonus. If you look at 2013, we're getting a MASSIVE leap even at 9.

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Yup. It's sad to see people stuck in the Teraflop war mindset. We're getting excellent boxes this time.

I can't wait to play games like Destiny and not stare at loading screens all the time.

 

[disco_potato]

Fleshlight in PS5 confirmed....what a time to be alive....

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Explains the haptic feedback in the new controller.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

Cant wait to see RE4 Remake running on that next-gen RE Engine. Damn it is going to look so good

 

[xolsec]

No wonder insiders don't want to say a thing here... geez

 

[Firmus_Anguis]

Concerted effort based on fans attempting to undermine numbers because they don't point to an outcome deemed desirable.

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It couldn't possibly be because it was contradicting information from several credible sources saying the same things? You're being disingenuous.

 

[Troll]

Explains the haptic feedback in the new controller.

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the V on the dev kit does look like spread legs when you think about it

 

[____]

The funniest part of this thread is the definitive declarations from people that know nothing.

 

[bcatwilly]

Too many people here setting themselves up for disappointment.

Understand that even if both these consoles wind up as 9TF boxes, when paired with the new CPUs, SSDs and all the other goodies they'll be amazing boxes.

Anything more is a bonus. If you look at 2013, we're getting a MASSIVE leap even at 9.

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Solid post given how people have always had such lofty expectations prior to next generation launches. My only complaint with Xbox being that much lower would be that they shouldn't have let the 12 TF rumor be carried by multiple sources if it is some goofy GCN translation downward thing.

 

[patapon]

The funniest part of this thread is the definitive declarations from people that know nothing.

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Hahaha, Oh man, that RDNA2 Train crashed way too soon lol

 

[Patent]

Cant wait to see RE4 Remake running on that next-gen RE Engine. Damn it is going to look so good

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Ive been playing re2 lately and its so sublime, cant wait to see what they can do with all these new features next gen

 

[Jeffram]

Solid post given how people have always had such lofty expectations prior to next generation launches. My only complaint with Xbox being that much lower would be that they shouldn't have let the 12 TF rumor be carried by multiple sources if it is some goofy GCN translation downward thing.

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Agreed, no way phill is going to set himself up for that kind of blowback. He's likely not allowed to say the TFs until AMD reveals its big cards.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

If it's not RDNA2 then what was Warren referencing when he hinted that there was a reason devkits were behind?

Call me a skeptic but something smells like old tilapia

 

[xolsec]

Hahaha, Oh man, that RDNA2 Train crashed way too soon lol

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oh shit I missed that lol! C'mon people understand that these companies have to build for cheap so many sacrifices will be needed and they will not give you a high end PC for $499 even if they try to convince you the will.

 

[Troll]

Hahaha, Oh man, that RDNA2 Train crashed way too soon lol

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RDNA 3 is still a possibility

 

[xolsec]

If it's not RDNA2 then what was Warren referencing when he hinted that there was a reason devkits were behind?

Call me a skeptic but something smells like old tilapia

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All those people are nothing more than silly fanboys and are no different than the worst of them like that timedog fellow

 

[DukeBlueBall]

oh shit I missed that lol! C'mon people understand that these companies have to build for cheap so many sacrifices will be needed and they will not give you a high end PC for $499 even if they try to convince you the will.

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I was on that train momentarily because I thought it was cheaper and more feasible for 56CUs.
Arden has HW RT and VRS from next gen RDNA, the two things that differentiates itself from Navi 10. Maybe RDNA2 has more features over Arden.

 

[Ebtesam]

So where we are now?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I really don't see why it matter if it is RDNA 1 or 2 or what ever .
Once again MS and Sony will take what the want and customize the GPUs for there needs .
It won't fit in AMD time line so it should not matter .

If they do mid gen consoles it will be the same again .

 

[Jeffram]

If it's not RDNA2 then what was Warren referencing when he hinted that there was a reason devkits were behind?

Call me a skeptic but something smells like old tilapia

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I like Tom, but its somewhat obvious that his sources are MS employees. They are really happy with and confident in the series x (and they should be)

 

[Kreten]

AMD actually planned RayTracing support for RDNA1 on one of their slide. Some kind of software Raytracing for select effects. Microsoft was probably going to use "DirectX RayTracing" in their PR and maybe changed their mind after the Wired interview and began to call it "hardware accelerated RT".

In the end everything is accelerated by some kind of hardware so their reasoning is sound.

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This?

 

[Bradbatross]

All those people are nothing more than silly fanboys and are no different than the worst of them like that timedog fellow

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I don't think it's helpful to call an insider who posts on here a silly fanboy.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

All those people are nothing more than silly fanboys and are no different than the worst of them like that timedog fellow

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Who? Which people?

 

[Jade1962]

Hahaha, Oh man, that RDNA2 Train crashed way too soon lol

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Yeah it's funny pages of post declaring that MS confirmed RDNA2 just like they confirmed 12TF.

Can't wait till we just get official spec sheets or 3rd party SOC testing after release. There speculation threads are always crazy.

 

[Deleted member 62280]

Yeah it's funny pages of post declaring that MS confirmed RDNA2 just like they confirmed 12TF.

Can't wait till we just get official spec sheets or 3rd party SOC testing after release. There speculation threads are always crazy.

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As Kreten pointed our in that slide Next Gen RDNA or RDNA 1 was supposed to have HWRT so could it be that is what is being implied by both MS and AMD?

 

[Outrun]

the V on the dev kit does look like spread legs when you think about it

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V Trigger confirmed.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I love how not a single person in the know is willing to even touch on the Github info and how it relates to PS5. No one is willing to touch it because of all the attention it would bring LOL

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anyone can fill me in on this?

what info?

Edit: nvm figured it was the old stuff that made this place go crazy

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

No difference between gameplay and cinematic would be great. The only big current gen game I can think of at the moment that looks the same in both is The Order. I seriously couldn't spot a difference.

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And even with that The Order 1886 still lacks a really tiny detailed skin compared to cutscenes. Just really slight.
AFAIK Death Stranding is the only game for now to not lose any detail from cutscenes to gameplay and DF highlighted it. No wonder it won the best graphics of 2019.

 

[DukeBlueBall]

I'll be made my predictions in the past so I'll just update them since the reveal is around what I predicted in March this year, Lockhart not so much:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...ecret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/post-18534716

No chiplets this time!

Xbox Series S:
8 core Zen at ~3.4 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm+
12GB of GDDR6 on 192-bit bus, 330gb/s, 3GB reserved for OS
24 CU at 1400 mhz, 4 teraflops,
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$299

XBOX Series X:
8 core Zen at 3.6 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm+
20GB of GDDR6 on 320-bit bus, 640gb/s, 4GB reserved for OS, 1GB extra for full 8k buffer for OS.
60 CU at 1600 mhz, 12.3 teraflops, 7nm+
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$499

PS5 prediction from May adjusted with Komachis leaks and other deductions:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...h-thread-ot5-its-in-rdna.120059/post-21318545

8 core zen 3.2+ ghz
16GB GB GDDR6, ~500GB/s 2-3GB reserved for OS
4GB DDR4, 2GB for OS, 2GB for SSD Cache
Navi GPU 36CU, 64 ROPS at 2-2.15ghz, 9.2-9.9 TF
1 TB SSD at 4+GB/s
$399

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Eating crow for jumping on the 7nm+/RDNA2 train.

Updated Xss and Xsx using info from the test leaks.

Xbox Series S:
8 core Zen at ~3.4 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
12GB of GDDR6 on 192-bit bus, 330gb/s, 3GB reserved for OS
28 CU at 1400 mhz, 5 teraflops,
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$299

XBOX Series X:
8 core Zen at 3.6 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
20GB of GDDR6 on 320-bit bus, 640gb/s, 4GB total reserved for OS. 1GB extra for full 8k buffer for OS. 16GB for games.
56 CU at 1700 mhz, 12.2 teraflops, 7nm
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$499

 

[sam1278]

Eating crow for jumping on the 7nm+/RDNA2 train.

Updated Xss and Xsx using info from the test leaks.

Xbox Series S:
8 core Zen at ~3.4 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
12GB of GDDR6 on 192-bit bus, 330gb/s, 3GB reserved for OS
28 CU at 1400 mhz, 5 teraflops,
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$299

XBOX Series X:
8 core Zen at 3.6 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
20GB of GDDR6 on 320-bit bus, 640gb/s, 4GB total reserved for OS. 1GB extra for full 8k buffer for OS. 16GB for games.
56 CU at 1700 mhz, 12.2 teraflops, 7nm
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$499

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What would be your best guess for the ps5?

 

[El_Chino]

Eating crow for jumping on the 7nm+/RDNA2 train.

Updated Xss and Xsx using info from the test leaks.

Xbox Series S:
8 core Zen at ~3.4 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
12GB of GDDR6 on 192-bit bus, 330gb/s, 3GB reserved for OS
28 CU at 1400 mhz, 5 teraflops,
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$299

XBOX Series X:
8 core Zen at 3.6 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
20GB of GDDR6 on 320-bit bus, 640gb/s, 4GB total reserved for OS. 1GB extra for full 8k buffer for OS. 16GB for games.
56 CU at 1700 mhz, 12.2 teraflops, 7nm
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$499

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Is the 20GB just hopeful thinking or has something changed recently?

 

[DukeBlueBall]

What would be your best guess for the ps5?

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Already in my quoted post.

 

[disco_potato]

As Kreten pointed our in that slide Next Gen RDNA or RDNA 1 was supposed to have HWRT so could it be that is what is being implied by both MS and AMD?

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doesn't that slide differentiate between rdna1 and next gen rdna? rdna1 does not have rt as shown by 5700 cards.

 

[DukeBlueBall]

Is the 20GB just hopeful thinking or has something changed recently?

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Deduction based on rumored complaints from devs that Lockhart has significantly less ram. 13 vs 9 didn't seem significant to me. Also mixed chips reduce peak BW, and I figured they needed 640GB/s for 12+TF.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

Xbox Series S:
8 core Zen at ~3.4 ghz, 16 threads, 7nm
12GB of GDDR6 on 192-bit bus, 330gb/s, 3GB reserved for OS
28 CU at 1400 mhz, 5 teraflops,
1TB SSD at 2+GB/s
$299

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This is a heck of a 1080p console at $299

 

[patapon]

I'm glad to see we've moved pass thinking the Github leak was confirmation of anything.

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Thank you so much Matt for always trying to bring sanity to this thread.

 

[vivftp]

I dunno if I may have missed something, is it still possible the PS5 is using 7nm+?

 

[jroc74]

I need to do this proper so it gets put on the list...

|OT9| F*ck it, I'm not reading another 30 pages tonight...