I think changes could have been happening already 6+ months ago when these were being tested. This is not current.
Could be.
For me, it is clear that XSX is on 7nm+ at 12 TF RDNA2 equivalent. That potential PS5 GPU from 6 months ago - 9.2 RDNA 1.
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It's the most legit evidence we have on next gen thus far...outside of the Series X being in a PC case.
That makes no sense.
These new machines will be the biggest leap since PS2 to PS3. This gen CPU & HDD tech basically stood still. The fact MS think 4TF Lockhart can deliver their next-gen titles tell's us these are the areas that will define next-gen.
There's no need for resolutions above 4K. Plus devs are increasingly going for reconstruction techniques over native resolutions.
Plus there's the small matter those $399 machines referenced have given us groundbreaking titles. So much so a number where claimed to be next-gen when revealed.
In practice games built for the 12TF machine needs to work on their 4TF machine too. Same SKU, same game world, same player base & multiplayer.
MS 1st party titles are being made with that 4TF baseline in mind. PS5 1st party titles are being made with a 9TF+ baseline.
3rd party titles (in an ideal world) will use the 4TF Lockhart baseline. In reality we probably still have a few years of cross-gen support.
As with high end PC's running console ports. Once you max out resolution and frame rate. There isn't really anywhere to go unless you up that baseline like Crysis did back in the day.
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people are seriously ready for next gen... they want you to put in in them at this point. Somewhat understandable. Just sad that the best game of the generation comes out in a year where everybody doesnt realy care anymore... haha
It works in percentage terms.
Think about it, how you have to zoom and enhance to point out the considerable difference between RDR2 on a X1X vs a Pro, a 1.8TF difference. Yeah you can see it with the naked eye, but zooming still frames sure helps show what you're talking about.
Now, that same 1.8TF difference can be used to compare a base PS4 with a Gamecube. I don't think Digital Foundry videos at 300% zoom are necessary to test which looks better between these two, right?
Exact same raw power difference, but it is the relative percentages that differ in these scenarios. We will have a hell of a time spotting the difference between a 11TF and 12TF should such a situation arise. 9TF and 12TF yeah, should be something to see to the trained naked eye but it will be half the gap of a PS4 to Xbox One.
sony will be fine. but thats the problem. we need consumers to push back against complacency. just like they did with the wii u and xbox one.
whats going to happen is that sony will rely on their talented array of first party studios to release great looking games just like what nintendo did with the switch and no one is going to care about a gimped $399 console. the games will look to have a generational leap and masses will fall in line. sony will never lose japan or europe so they will be fine there. if they lose the u.s by a few million it wont really matter since they can make it up worldwide.
i hope there is a pushback similar to what we saw with ms in 2013 but i doubt that very much.
Honestly some of this really starts to add up here when you consider that there were some 8 TF PS5 rumors at one point earlier, and in fact that was the general guess put forward by Albert Penello on here too. A more conservative clock for the reported 36 CU of between 1.7 GHz and 1.8 GHz is closer to that original 8 TF, and Sony has in fact been iterating on things with higher clock testing up to 2 GHz which is the 9.2 TF number now. It could be seen as trying to close the gap some on the more premium Xbox Series X offering in terms of performance, as this would be 30% raw TF difference now instead of 50% before.
I'm relatively serious, but it's also halfway through my holiday and i am well in the spirit!
If Sony's storage solution really is as spectacular as everyone has been hinting at (upwards of twice as fast as XSX), I can't see this thing being $399 even with a 9.2TF GPU. Someone else mentioned it earlier in the thread, but if people expect Lockhart to come in at $299 while having to cut the amount of RAM, disk drive, lower clocked CPU, and a worse GPU, I don't see how just a 3TF difference in GPU is enough to cut the price by $100, especially when Sony is likely leading in other areas of the specs.
Edit: Imo, It's likely that Sony just put more emphasis on speed whereas MS focused on GPU performance. I have a feeling both will launch at the same price.
Edit: Imo, It's likely that Sony just put more emphasis on speed whereas MS focused on GPU performance. I have a feeling both will launch at the same price.
you must be new to video game forums.
no one has confirmed anything. which means no one knows the real ps5 specs. i said this when windows central leaked the specs, but if ms knew for certain that they were going to beat sony in raw tflops their cheerleaders at windowscentral and thurrot wouldve been screaming it off the top of their lungs. instead, they are playing it safe. even ms called it their most powerful xbox ever.
so if ms doesnt know then journos like jason schrier and tom warren dont know. klee is the only one with specs but leaking those would mean leaking his source.
no one knows what sony is cooking up.
You're asking the wrong person, because I'd easily pay that too. 😊
Heck, I wouldn't mind if both aimed for $699! But they wouldn't sell...
If the insiders are right, and I still think and hope that they are, it'd probably mark the first time ever that 2 consoles basically launch to identical specs.
That'd mean the quality of the content, the games themselves (as usual), would be the differentiating factor, moreso than ever before.
It's way too late for radical changes at this point. Let alone an Architecture change. This is likely close to the final specs. Heck, I'm still wondering if 9.2TF is even possible. Sony must either have a very hot and loud Console form factor design or a PC tower design like MS to keep it cool.
The premise behind sony's storage solution was that it would be cheaper for them to use.
Stadia uses GCN technology... 9,2 tf navi is faster than stadia.... this whole teraflops discussion is realy upsetting at this point.
Not hard to see why at the beginning of the talks no one wanted to say anything about flops.
The interesting part about this is, while it is the holidays, nobody is talking about this. Outside of Rogame on Twitter, silence. I think we are about to hear some news from MS/Sony and all the insiders and journalists are on radio silence.
They are quiet because, eh, they are in the holidays. Are you serious or joking?
There you have it, Tom just confirmed 9.2tf. /s /s /s /s /s
One season to go.
Just a little longer for official specs... Dunno if I'll be able to wait that long!!! 😭
Players give me a month please
Just a little longer for official specs... Dunno if I'll be able to wait that long!!! 😭
Only thing I see upsetting is how personally invested some people are in the tflop winner. If you are not personally invested in the winner, there is nothing to upset you. It's just digging up clues...and maybe facts. Considering this is a speculation thread, nothing out of line here...unless potential real facts dont belong in a speculation thread.
1.8 ghz isnt conservative by any means. they have gone with narrow and fast because they didnt want to spend extra like ms did.
well, that and amd redesigning gcn only to strip away any advantage they couldve gotten from a 2x node shrink. a 36 cu polaris gpu wouldve been 116mm2. they couldve fit 72 polaris cu's in that space, but obviously couldnt and had to re architecture their entire lineup. what they ended up with was a gpu that was even bigger than the 36 cu polaris with 25% more performance at the same clocks.
i bet when cerny saw this he went wtf is this? lol all that work for 25% more performance on a 100% die node shrink? that plus lack of any hardware rt in these gigantic gpus left him no choice but to increase clocks by ungodly amount and now hes stuck with a high tdp gpu that wont even come close to his competition.
you really gotta wonder why they didnt go with 7nm+. they shouldve known rt wouldve made these gpus even bigger. a 300mm2 oberon is a massive gpu to have in a console. you add a zen2 and some gddr6 and its pushing over 250w.
It won't come close in certain thing but others it will pass MS GPU in other thing.
Still the more TF is always the better .
This gif make no sense for that quote lol.
Tom is doing right thing by keeping his mouth shut with the way how things are .
i find it upsetting how information is being put out. Like leaving a trail of bread crumbs. Saying things about the console architekture and thus not giving enough away to actually know anything. the outcome doesnt mean anything to me but i dont like being pulled around by the nose hairs.
I'm not upset. Why are you upset? Could just ignore the leaks until theres something official and draped in fluff from megacorporations.
And people saying it was more powerful than Xbox were very wrong yes.
i know you're joking, but i have to feel this is a CES tease, no?
Because it sucks... thats why, and im not talking about the leaks... im talking about the interviews of cerny and the outing of series x...
This leak would make it seem so .
If it was not for other people info people would not have any doubts .
if you believe these rumors then yes. and it will probably get downgraded below that because oberon was still in revision as late as november. 2.0 ghz will cause a massive tdp increase. like 50% for just a 10% performance increase.
if you believe klee, jason and other insiders then no. there is still hope.
Well, he says Spring in his next post. Unless I'm reading it wrong.
New tech toys is fun to speculate about. These consoles are going to be great for the money. Better than this gen. I'm having fun. Could do without people going at each other so hard in this thread though.
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