how did you get that amount? All I've found is there are 2 simd-32s in one CU.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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I'm pretty sure one of the MS insider with a pretty solid track record mentioned the XSX will be 12TF rdna (it was tom warren I think). I see no reason to doubt him, so until more solid info comes in, I'm inclined to believe XSX is 12TF rdna and not the performance to GCN tf conversion going in here.
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I agree except the last sentence. No way could/would Sony come in at/above £400 as the only other time they did briefly was with PS3 before getting a dose of smelling salts and pushing a £299 revision out the door 6 months after launch. Like you say this time we're in uncertain economic times too.
It will be interesting to see if Microsoft do bring Lockhart at launch. I'm thinking maybe not because if we say Lockhart is £249-£299, PS5 is £349 and XSX is £500+ then many could simply deduce PS5 is the Goldilocks model to get? Microsoft might be better to just launch XSX and take a bigger hit on price to get to around a £100 of PS5?
This is all probably moot because there are almost certainly going be twists and turns to come...Probably starting today at some point!
The Series X isn't going to be 12TF RDNA.
Eventually folks will come to accept that. Better now than the crushing dissapointment of later.
It's funny, over a year ago, 9-10TF RDNA was seen as the high end goal here. And now this thread has skipped past it and expects AMD to create a console level GPU that has 2TF more than their fastest Navi card and put it in a $500 console, all in less than a year.
Talk about absurdly whack expectations. For a tech focused thread, that's something...
If they get it done XSX APU going to be a huge chip that is for certain .
£350 for PS5 would be great value, but I would be surprised if they could get it with those specs without taking a loss. I really don't think MS can achieve £249 with Lockhart unless they take a big loss. At 12tf I reckon £500 is the cheapest they can go with X, unless they take a big loss.
Blame Tom Warren, Windows Central and Digital Foundry then as they have all stated that they believe it's a 12TF RDNA console.
The same way you guys are 100% sure they will be 12 tflops :D and says it is confirmed :D
I suppose on the other hand, just over 10 tf would align with the specs being similar and 2 x Xbone X in actual performance. Also might allow MS to deliver the console at a price close to PS5.
Richard from DF made a video that show 9TF is enough to be x2 the One X.
Df didn't they asked Ms and didn't have an answer.
They showed 9.7 tflops doubles a Xbox one x
They showed 10.2 tflops is 8x Xbox one
They showed 11 tflops is 8x Xbox one s
And they always said 12 tflops is a target.
There is no guarantee a console will hit a target.
I have posted this multiple times but belief is not a confirmation (DF has not confirmed it for example). And hey, it's not like insiders haven't been wrong before.
Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last. I trust Phil's specific word usage more than I do reports where it isn't even abundantly clear that they know what the difference between RDNA and GCN is. Phil said twice the performance of the XB1X GPU. That's about 10TF RDNA.
But mostly, jumping from a 9.75 TF PC GPU to a 12TF console GPU in the span of a year, all aimed at a $500 console sounds like the thing fan drama are made of.
I'm not this guy but for sure many leaks and words hints 12tf
No. He even dodge answering that question with asked by DF for clarification. MS only confirmed twice Xbox X GPU
For sure. Personally I would like PS5 to go as powerful as they can, but to be honest I think even at 9.2 tf with RT, they will produce games exponentially above this gen. If there is at least £100 gap between the system and the XSX, then that will probably give them an advantage. If it is 9 vs 12 though, I think the difference could be bigger than £100 though.
And I'm not sure we will get the answer at the CES 2020.
The documents are legit, there are personal informations relating to AMD employees there.
For the third time: Arden has 56 CUs (3584 Shaders) in the internal AMD testing documents --> 1,7 GHz x 3584 x 2 = 12,1 TFlops
Oberon has 36 CUs and 2 GHz
Arden has BC modes which match XBOX One
Oberon has BC modes which match PS4/PS4 Pro
And is no one concerned about this?!
Unless these tests have a date attached to them, then how would we know whether it's from June of this year, or June of 2017?
Somebody PM me the files, please, I've not seen it on Github like people said. Dunno what to search for other than just oberon.
I'm the opposite, because of Game Pass I'd happily pay £500+ if it's an absolute monster.
Is it possible that windowscentral took the twice as X1X and came to the conclusion of 12 Tf?
(not to pour gasoline on the fire, just speculating)
If PS5 is 9,2 TF and XSX 12,2 TF can we still assume that the XSX will be 499? I could imagine that the PS5 will be 499 as everything today is a bit more expansive than 2012/13. But if the PS5 is 499 than the XSX @12TF must be more expensive. Could the XSX be even 699? IF they have Lockhart and only want it for prestige I could imagine it. But than Lockhart has to release at the same time.
This would be my horror scenario but I can see it what do you all think?
This would be my horror scenario but I can see it what do you all think?
For me a leak must correspond to two things :
- it's authentified as an internal document or information (like finding new products entries in a driver)
- it's authentified by a public source taking the risk of his personal of professional integrity to endorse it
Otherwise it's a rumour. Here both the source, the container and the message aren't clear, so it could have been edited, wrongly copy-pasted or composed with different source and timeline - whatever, it's for the principle we must be cautious.
Mentions doesn't mean anything about document provenance, edition and timeline. I could find these on Linkendin.
No, everything relating to Arden is without clk speed.
Well, i wont post email-adresses, IPs and user infos, but this stuff all checks out.
Those arent offical documents for anyone other than internal employees to see.
Fair enough. So I suppose 12tf is still up in the air. This may simmer about until E3...
Whatever as I said, all these mentions could be true, as information on it, that doesn't say anything about the document itself.
Probably, but i doubt they will reach 2 GHz like Oberon, so this means that Oberon will have better pixel/geometry rates than Arden.
Its not a "document", these are results in csv/excel with Python Scripts.
This is nothing official or for anybody other than internal employees to see.
I am really curious about the cooling system for 2GHz GPU in the retail console box!
No wonder that dev kit looks like that.
Duke, i called it brother. 56 cu dream came true. What a time to be alive.
Of course i called it for both Sony and ms so i was only half right but still.
They could be anything, there is nothing in the files.
But its reasonable to assume that they will reach 1,7 GHz.
Quote from Richard "however our information is, that the GPU is indeed 12 tflops." DF Series X analysis
Tbh I'm not sure what to believe anymore lol. My thinking at this time would be something like this
- Most journos/insiders say they're very close, I think that is a given. I believe that.
- Looks like Nvidia was probably right, so no 12TF-13TF RDNA.
- Probably were about 12-13 TF GCN during E3, 9-10TF RDNA.
- Again probably will both will try boost that a little (target 10.7 per jason, over 10TF per Klee). And end up between 10.2-10.7 TF RDNA
- I'm not sure they even know what to do about price. That would explain rumors as well regarding both waiting to announce that at the very end, ans Lockhart's situation, so I wouldn't discard any price point between $399 and $499, for any.
- I think ~ 10TF RDNA would be really great, and on the super high end of what was expected last year. (Would be equivalent to 12-13TF GCN). So we should be happy, not disappointed.
- I think Jason's comments regarding other aspects making more of a difference are in line with that, and will be interesting nto see if he refers to the SSD, to the RAM or to both. (Or something else!)
- This last point also means we'll be able to keep the discussion going long after the specs are revealed discussin those points, well into 2021, with the first DF videos. I'm looking forward to that. February can't come soon enough ;)
- Most journos/insiders say they're very close, I think that is a given. I believe that.
- Looks like Nvidia was probably right, so no 12TF-13TF RDNA.
- Probably were about 12-13 TF GCN during E3, 9-10TF RDNA.
- Again probably will both will try boost that a little (target 10.7 per jason, over 10TF per Klee). And end up between 10.2-10.7 TF RDNA
- I'm not sure they even know what to do about price. That would explain rumors as well regarding both waiting to announce that at the very end, ans Lockhart's situation, so I wouldn't discard any price point between $399 and $499, for any.
- I think ~ 10TF RDNA would be really great, and on the super high end of what was expected last year. (Would be equivalent to 12-13TF GCN). So we should be happy, not disappointed.
- I think Jason's comments regarding other aspects making more of a difference are in line with that, and will be interesting nto see if he refers to the SSD, to the RAM or to both. (Or something else!)
- This last point also means we'll be able to keep the discussion going long after the specs are revealed discussin those points, well into 2021, with the first DF videos. I'm looking forward to that. February can't come soon enough ;)
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The simple fact that no 3rd party devs cared to use the extra power of xox over the ps4p should tell you what will happen if ps5 is 9tf and xsx is12tf. Games will be designed around 9tf limits. So if ps5 is cheaper you will be wasting money on the xsx power.
I am not stating anything about it, I am just calling to follow elementary rules of prudence when looking at it, because during almost 24 hours I read people seriously talk about "drivers", believing that a complete array of APU prototypes will end in Catalayst.
Just because there is a range of numbers doesn't mean these IP are authentic, and even these would be, it doesn't make you first belief about it receivable because you have no way to prove it.
An the same goes for all what's written on it, and how it's assembled. It's a piece to the puzzle but it doesn't complete it.
True. Good thing MS has now more than a dozen of first party studios.
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