If is not AMDs is IMG tech's and it is like this:
IMG RT>>>>Nvidias half assed RT>>AMDs double half assed in texture unit RT.
Please quote me posts where people said "Cerny is lying!" please, because the majority of the conversation I was a part of was more surprised that Sony is possibly not using AMD's ray-tracing solution.
Please stop constructing ridiculous conspiracies. No one with any sense gives a single fuck about what company an executive works for, or views themselves on a "side" in some infantile war between consoles.Which public figures are we talking about? Albert Penello? Phil Spencer? Larry Hyrb? There seems to be many accusations of Xbox execs, past and present, being liars on boards like this all the time with no offense taken by very man, but now when someone points out that something seems off and non-committal regarding PS5's ray tracing support with respect to recent information we've received, people suddenly have a moral objection to not taking what an executive says at face value?
Hell, Phil Spencer has all but confirmed 12TF RDNA minimum for Xbox Series X in more ways than one, and so many in here continue to state that he's misleading about GCN flops and can't possibly mean RDNA flops. How's that for a double standard?
Your point? This is literally someone saying others were saying he's lying about HW RT without quoting those people.
I think most are getting it out early a few are still at the beginning stages. At the end of the day 9.2.tfs zen 2 for 399-449 is a good piece of hardwareSome people gonna be really disappointed about specs after official reveal
I appreciate you doing this. It was sorely needed in this catastrophe.When you start accusing public figures of bold-faced lies, it's time to take a step back and reevaluate your approach to this conversation.
dont be so sure yet. They've patented a lot of stuff, that we cant be sure if it will be in the final controller.
Although yes, I'd love it too.
Switching gears in Gran Turismo is one example.
I guess we don't know that yet. But I'm assuming they'll be re-programmable buttons, like the recently announced back button attachment does. Or they may be all new buttons that developers can use as they wish. For example, in shooters, developers should map jump/slide/duck to the rear buttons so you don't have to take your thumbs off the sticks while doing those actions.
Suddenly insiders aren't useful anymore (to some people).
Jason said both are above 10.75 TF and we're getting very powerful machines.
Matt said they're pretty much the same.
Klee said the same thing as Matt.
Shinobi also hinted that both are very powerful.
But hey, let's keep rolling with the 9.2 TF PS5 vs 12 TF XSX if it makes some people happy.
I think it's the best thing Sony could do. $399 is the right price to launch at.I think most are getting it out early a few are still at the beginning stages. At the end of the day 9.2.tfs zen 2 for 399-449 is a good piece of hardware
For accessibility but also for folk to reconfigure for taste, like moving the jump and reload buttons off the face buttons so you can keep your right thumb on the stick in FPS games.
But it would also need to be backwards compatible to the 1x which would mean it's probably 4.6 or so TF. I just don't think MS would be using that huge PC form factor for around 9 TF of power they could easily be a much smaller box imo.Lockhart is 4TF. It's primarily a 1080/1440p box with an SSD and a much stronger CPU. It doesn't need to be significantly stronger for its purpose.
:jordanlaughing.gifIf is not AMDs is IMG tech's and it is like this:
IMG RT>>>>Nvidias half assed RT>>AMDs double half assed in texture unit RT.
I know emotions are high or whatever over these plastic boxes but is it worth being an ass about?I do not understand why Matt's post is immediately taken by so many as being about Cerny and hardware ray-tracing. The discussion was trending towards Sony coming up with their own system for it, not that Cerny was a liar.
Your point? This is literally someone saying others were saying he's lying about HW RT without quoting those people.
Please stop constructing ridiculous conspiracies. No one with any sense gives a single fuck about what company an executive works for, or views themselfs on a "side" in some infantile war between consoles.
The general behavior in this thread has been abhorrent, and I'm sick of it.
9,2Tf with Hw RT VS 12TF without RTI think most are getting it out early a few are still at the beginning stages. At the end of the day 9.2.tfs zen 2 for 399-449 is a good piece of hardware
When that happens, report it. There isn't a lack of consistency in moderation on this topic, because we're adults who genuinely don't care about sides in this pathetic schoolyard fight.I appreciate you doing this. It was sorely needed in this catastrophe.
I just hope this moderation is consistent next time someone excuses Phil or other Xbox execs of lying about RDNA, 12TF, etc!
Consistency in moderation is key to a healthy thread
And to a hammer, every problem is a nail. Report violations of this forum's rules and they will be acted on.Because more accurate, detailed information came out and people are twisting themselves into pretzels to explain it away rather than simply assume it's old and dated.
Listen Matt, all you need are eyes. You've never seen blatant, outright disrespect for Xbox execs and employees at a level you don't ordinarily see for Sony execs on both this forum and the previous one? It seems the mere suggestion has struck a nerve, but I'm just keeping it real with you if nobody else is willing to. And if you're being honest with yourself, you know full well it's not a made up conspiracy theory. It's the reality of the situation we are in at this very moment. My opinion, feel free to think as you like.
So guys and gals is news about Sony has a unique Ray tracing solution and not using AMDs solution is this news old?
Edit: nevermind.
Something else of note with that patent, is that the 2 bottom buttons allow for the grip length to be adjusted:
Also "utility patent" suggests that even though its on the DS4 design, it could be used on the DS5.
the info leaking doesn't reach the average consumer. And if it does, why say 2x and not 2.5 times more powerful?The numbers are 6 and 12, to the average consumer that is twice as much. Breaking down GCN vs RDNA is something for tech heads. It's basic marketing, keep it simple. They pushed the 6 tflops number before, the new system is 12 so they say "twice as powerful" because the mass market will understand that.
Are those buttons on the bottom? <holds PS4 controller>. Seems like very odd placement...
Tbf matt we had a mod threatening to ban people over a data mined source yesterday.When that happens, report it. There isn't a lack of consistency in moderation on this topic, because we're adults who genuinely don't care about sides in this pathetic schoolyard fight.
And to a hammer, every problem is a nail. Report violations of this forum's rules and they will be acted on.
Like seriously. The hell is that shit. If X series it's really around 12 TF it's guaranteed ps5 will follow the same fate. Sony have already stated to point out to the best hardware possible. There won't be 3 TF of difference with the same year of release. Only fanboy can think it.Suddenly insiders aren't useful anymore (to some people).
Jason said both are above 10.75 TF and we're getting very powerful machines.
Matt said they're pretty much the same.
Klee said the same thing as Matt.
Shinobi also hinted that both are very powerful.
But hey, let's keep rolling with the 9.2 TF PS5 vs 12 TF XSX if it makes some people happy.
The weird thing about this is that it's a DS4 with extra buttons, while the DS5 patent had no rear buttons. So I don't know what the point of a new DS4 is when they've already announced that two-button accessory.
Why would the PS5 be 9 and the X 12? I'm seriously asking. Did something new on performance revealed?9,2Tf with Hw RT VS 12TF without RT
Which one do you choose for the same price ? Ok we all know here we gonna get RT on both console. But ok if 9,2TF is what we get, it's still 2X the one X GPU. Enough for 1st party game, maybe not enough for 4K/60fps native.
The only thing I'm scared about is if you look closely one X vs Pro TFs, on RDR2 you can see drop on Pro but smooth 30fps on One X.
If Ps5 is really 9TF and XSX 12TF, I'm afraid to see same thing on 3rd party game, more enjoyable on XSX with frame rate.
You had a mod make a joke.Tbf matt we had a mod threatening to ban people over a data mined source yesterday.
Like seriously. The hell is that shit. If X series it's really around 12 TF it's guaranteed ps5 it's minimum the same. Sony have already stated to point to best hardware possible.
think the SSD and CPU would help most in that.By the way, just a question about optimization.
If we take RDR2 analysis on PS4 Pro or Days Gone. It seems there are some stuttering in some place right ? Do you think new API with VRS could help to patch quickly some of those stuttering ?
I mean sometimes these are just about texture of deep of field. I hope we can get enhancements on frame rate because on some games I think it just impossible for dev to get anything better
Different price points.I agree with this. There's no way in this world that MS could achieve a better performance. I believe in Klee.
Not really only speculation and some tweet from unknown guys talking about APU named Oberon and other stuff without HW which might not be APU next gen console no worriesWhy would the PS5 be 9 and the X 12? I'm seriously asking. Did something new on performance revealed?
lol?I agree with this. There's no way in this world that MS could achieve a better performance. I believe in Klee.
Ahh ok. Thanks for the quick response.Not really only speculation and some tweet from unknown guys talking about APU named Oberon and other stuff without HW which might not be APU next gen console no worries
no way in this world huh? lolI agree with this. There's no way in this world that MS could achieve a better performance. I believe in Klee.
You had a mod make a joke.
Nothing in this thread is serious business.
599 is a suicide for MS.
I'm laughing at the absolute belief that there is no way Microsoft would be able to put out more powerful hardware.
$399 vs $499
Don't cut out part of my post, and please follow the the instructions in the section cut out.The same mod makes jokes about permabanning people but bans people for "console war" gifs.