Great. It's settled then. I don't think Klee knows anything. And you are posting some words that don't mean anything.
Glad we got that squared away.
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Great. It's settled then. I don't think Klee knows anything. And you are posting some words that don't mean anything.
Glad we got that squared away.
Sounds like a much bigger success story for Xbox, especially if they manage to get even a fraction of 80 million to buy into Game Pass.
I'm so fucking in for $599 if that gets me 18TF. REALLY doubt it, but would be amazing.
But I would be happy if XSX and PS5 are both around the same ~12TF ballpark. Then the main deciding factor becomes "which console has the most games I want", not "which has the best 3rd party versions" (which leads to having to buy both if these are not the same).
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Some insider is going to come off looking rather poorly in all this. It's only a matter of who at this point. I still think most the insiders are just using whatever info is available at the time and it's possible there has just been conflicting info over time. I don't think Warren, Klee, Jason, Reiner Klobbrille etc are being malicious at all. I think there is just conflicting info out there right now.
No lol.
Nothing has really change .
Just wait until we get more info
Not really. I mean the stuff that's been decoded is real, so I guess thats something? But knowing 100% it's the actual chip in the final design for PS5? No one knows.
Great post, albeit one that nobody wants to think about right now.
You're right, until it's officially confirmed, anything can happen and we can be wrong, there are still plenty of questions we don't have answers to.
It's best not to get emotionally attached to a specific number at this stage or any stage.
This is going to be the next-gen "soon" isn't it? *folds arms*
Not much other than what the companies have revealed themselves. Everything else is rumor and speculation with varying degrees of believability behind it.
And by extension Reiner and Matt . But yet you chose to single out one person. That shows your bad faith arguments.
I don't know what it belongs to, but I do know that it contradicts every word a credible insider/journalist has told us so far.
Like I said in my post, the lack of HW RT, which contradicts Matt's confirmation, should be reason enough to dismiss this "leak" as being representative of final PS5 hardware.
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I get it, a lot of people here don't wanna believe Klee's info. So be it, don't believe him.
But if you're gonna treat this datamined stuff as gospel, then you also have to dismiss what we've been told by Matt, Schreier, Reiner, and hell, even Cerny.
I mean, seriously, people, which makes more sense here?!
This makes too much sense to belong to this thread full of wishful thinking.
Cerny also mentioned hw RT in (not outside) the GPU in the wired article, yet people here ignore it.
Yes, certainly. Im staying Team 12/13 until Sony says otherwise. This whole thing is suspect, because it's old info that's resurfacing AND Jason and Klee already commented on the specs after Komachi's finding back then.
So what has really changed?
Easy to see that there really isn't.
Just people flipping their shit.
Call me crazy, but I'm more than glad with 9.2tflops. If we get more, good, if we don't, good.
GTA V was made on consoles with 256mb of VRAM. I'm not sure what people are expecting out of machines that need to be affordable to the mass market.
The thread has low key been a Tflop dick measuring contest since The X announcement and it's sad to see.
Reiner works for Game Informer. Matt has a history of credible information.
They are not absolutely, remotely the same thing. That shows your bad faith arguments and ability to distinguish between nuances.
not sure why did you edit this out
so PS5 is really using 16 chips of 1GB with 16bit each, 14gbps, so they end up with 448GB/s, what a mess. why even go for this GDDR6 layout, so confusing.
Man, it's hard keeping up with the thread, especially during a vacation.
I doubt developers will want to lead on Lockheart. Usually the lead platform is chosen because the developer has some marketing deal with the platform holder, the platform is the most popular so the publisher wants it to lead or it's the most powerful which makes developers excited to develop on. But Lockheart? It's not going to be any of these options. Games will probably be made for PS5, Anaconda or PC first, depends on power difference, popularity and publisher deals.
I agree, there are a lot of "porting down" going on. Most developers will tell you that developing for the most powerful machine and then porting down will result in a better looking game for both the most powerful machine and the weaker one as well.
I doubt developers will want to lead on Lockheart. Usually the lead platform is chosen because the developer has some marketing deal with the platform holder, the platform is the most popular so the publisher wants it to lead or it's the most powerful which makes developers excited to develop on. But Lockheart? It's not going to be any of these options. Games will probably be made for PS5, Anaconda or PC first, depends on power difference, popularity and publisher deals.
That is why some are saying that Sony might be using some other form of hardware RT.
Since then that is the only thing that would make sense for that .
So Sony knew what AMD was doing RT wise but say fuck it we doing our own thing .
Klee has been verified as having industry ties (he literally posted a picture of himself and the EGM staff), and is a former journalist, just like Reiner. Matt posts here and could have discredited Klee at any point. Yet they all say that they're either extremely close (ie 15% at most), or PS5 has a slight edge. You single out one and don't address the others. If you cannot appreciate how that looks, then you can't be helped.
It would be more difficult for me if I had to work. What do you do with all your free time ? ;)
Does Sony have the resources to do something like that?
I get what you're saying, though a point of clarification, 18 wheelers are about 300-600 up on average. It's the torque that is the difference, where they usually have 1000-2000 ft/lbs.
They also say their CPU is 4x, where it seems it's actually a much larger increase.
I am sure they could they are a Billion dollar company and spend tons in R&D.
The question is why would they when they have access to AMD road map and Cerny like to make things easy on devs.
Matt hasn't given specific numbers. Neither has Reiner. If you can't appreciate the difference between the information being provided that is the basis for the contention, then you can't be helped.
Right now? Drinking wine in a hot-tub while reading Era going mentally insane over a great next-gen APU :)
But Cerny LITERALLY said this in Wired article: "There is RT acceleration in GPU hardware"
So, rogame's data find is surely out of date and probably he just found or copied what Komachi have found a long time ago.
KLee has not given a specific number either.
He said 10 + which just like Jason saying aiming higher than stadia which is 10.8
Klee have worked in the industry and have been verified to be in a position to receive the information he claims to have just that he have not been able to verify to mods it's 100 true and I bet if Matt, Reiner would been asked to show their "evidence" it would be the same situation.
I doubt they'll have separate ray-tracing hardware.
This is what Cerny said:
Not "RT acceleration in the APU," not "RT acceleration hardware [somewhere] in the system." He specifically said in the GPU hardware.
They're both using AMD's implementation.
Nothing new I recon (and sorry if already posted) but Shûhei Yoshida spoke to Dengeki PlayStation for the 25 years of PlayStation and tackled the PlayStation 5 on a game dev point of view. Gamekult translated some bits in French. In English:
You don't get to call me disingenuous while ignoring the host of differences between the various situations.
Mockery deserves a response in kind.
Yeah, rogames info is the odd one out compared to pretty much everything we had up until this point. It's interesting info, but we all lack a complete picture on what's going on and how this info fits into the final product.
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