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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Just realised that's probably how Sony will handle emulation from now on. It's a rather smart idea for the time being.
What, what benchmark ?:d Benchmarks usually mesaure frames per seconds and gives score according to numbers of frames so for example in benchmarks 9.5tf navi would have 2x frames number vs 6tf gcn. TFlops are therorectical number you calculate on paper (nvidia on paper calculate 1.8tf for rsx ;d)
So reading the last few pages PS5 does not even have RT or VRS from AMD .
This thread is such a joke sometimes LMAO.
This thread is such a joke sometimes LMAO.
No but it's a nice summary of where I've been. Sony cares more about the $399 and onboard than anything else. They went with a hardware back compat solution because it's simple and they patented it.
And still a very reasonable and unbiased comment. We are all just strangers on the internet.
This doesn't make any sense. Benchs measure FPS not flops.
a 9 tflops RDNA will perform exactly as a 12 tflops GCN because of efficiency.
DF showed that on their video with a 5700XT they can double the performance of a Xbox ONE X
If that chip information is accurate and relevant to PS5 then it does raise some question as to whether some of the original Sony "target specs" information being shared was actually a GCN TF number instead of RDNA originally which would make it higher than the chip information and/or some of the comparisons from dev kits are based around what was a Vega 12-13 GCN TF based PS5 dev kit for example.
Doesn't have to be in the APU. Can be a separate chip
Did anyone at least think that what rogame found is OUT OF DATE and just to make some people happy because XSX is more powerful according to that possibly OUT OF DATE info?
According to AquariusZ, Oberon is still going through spins as of November. 🤷♂️
I dont think that person is posting their findings to make Xbox people happy....
That doesn't mean it's not old info though.
Did Sony ever have higher specs in retail console comparing to dev kits? Or it's mostly vice versa?
Sounds about right.
If you put a 500bhp engine in an 18 wheeler, it will hardly move it. If you put a 500bhp engine in a lightweight car, it'll move like shit off a shovel.
That's the comparison people should be making - a flop is a fixed unit. It's how they're used that makes the difference. Make a more efficient architecture, get more out of it.
That's the comparison people should be making - a flop is a fixed unit. It's how they're used that makes the difference. Make a more efficient architecture, get more out of it.
Isn't it more that it might not be baked into the APU and could be just a separate solution?
You should be asking chris 1515 in my opinion. My novice take is that they have a complete pipeline for RT thanks to the Caustic legacy. They've been making hardware RT for almost a decade at this point, and John Carmack thought their tech half a decade ago was solid.
I think there are two possibilities. One is that they always conceived of pushing out a non-final APU for developers to play with. This could be an off the shelf Zen 2, IO, and Navi dies, with potentially only changes to the IO die needed. Additionally, it could be pin compatible with the final product. This would enable PS5-like silicon in their hands up to a year before they get the real development chips.
As a thought experiment - why does Navi 12 exist? A Navi 10 like design with hardware updates and HBM memory. Who is the desktop consumer for a product with high memory cost? Unless the memory cost isn't actually that high anymore, the product is simply a leveraged version of something used elsewhere, or both.
The second possibility is that this is plan B. At some point in early 2018 (At the latest), they called an audible and decided that Navi 10 wasn't good enough. Could this be a reaction to what they thought MS was cooking, how the narrative of X vs. Pro was evolving, developer feedback (this would have been the time Cerny was touring developers), or AMD pulling some roadmap items in as they went through some tumultuous times? Who knows. Small snippets like Chinese forum posters alleging a hardware revision would cut it close for 2020 launch are potential clues, though I am hesitant to bite on those things too hard.
What I do know is that virtually every insider is saying PS5 and XSX are close, and most of those are sticking to that story after the XSX reveal. We know hardware RT is confirmed. Sony said it, Matt said it, Kleegamefan said it. One of our grandmothers probably said it. Klee has also said VRS is included, and everyone is suggesting >10TF. All of these things Navi 10 is not. It would be surprising to see this many people with other valid info turn up wrong on this.
And to make my lack of allegiances clear - I am team parity. I own Pro and X and love them both.
This paste has been up for a bit and is where I believe the Original leaked 13TF numbers came from.
https://pastebin.com/w3fwc7Cb
I also think gen 2 is ps4 pro 4k boost mode.
IMO Gen 0,1 and 2 are for the same generation of consoles i.e PS4.
That make no fucking sense.
Sony has been working with AMD for years and would have there road map in advance which is why the add stuff to PS4 and PS4 pro.
But decide they going to spend money and do RT and VRS on a separate chip because they like spending extra money and making there board more complex.
Mean while MS has everything from AMD but Sony decide nope lets do own thing which also make thing more complex for devs which Cerny does not like.
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So the gist of it...
Playstation 4 emulation relies on fooling the system into treating CUs as workgroups. So if there's a midgen refresh for example, they can theoretically make it work by keeping to the butterfly CU pattern, and as long as it has the same amount of workgroups as the PS4 Pro, then it could work.
So basically, you'd have 20 workgroups with 3 CUs inside, and disable 2 workgroups for yields. Leaves you with 54 CUs in 18 WGP, thus 9 WGP in each side.
The problem is I'm not sure if there's such a thing as a 60 CU GPU or if it's even possible.
Playstation 4 emulation relies on fooling the system into treating CUs as workgroups. So if there's a midgen refresh for example, they can theoretically make it work by keeping to the butterfly CU pattern, and as long as it has the same amount of workgroups as the PS4 Pro, then it could work.
So basically, you'd have 20 workgroups with 3 CUs inside, and disable 2 workgroups for yields. Leaves you with 54 CUs in 18 WGP, thus 9 WGP in each side.
The problem is I'm not sure if there's such a thing as a 60 CU GPU or if it's even possible.
Yep this is why I think MS will have the power lead next-gen. They were embarrassed that a launch game like Battlefield 4 had to run at sub-1080p resolution on their console and wanted to prevent a similar situation from ever happening again.
Fix'd.
Nothing but console wars and tales from ass dressed as ... whatever this is.
Thanks for coming back to me and taking the time to explain where you come from.
I may come back to it in the future.
hope you enjoyed the holidays so far.
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No Sony dev kit specs are normally the same it was that way for PS4.
Normally they have the same with final devkit but before the nearly final devkit, it was often different.
For example, on PS4 the first SOC based devkit was available in January 2013 but the frequency and the RAM was not the same.
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We will know better in January probably. Here it means what we have in 2019 is probably not exactly like the final architecture.
Not all devkit, it depends of the devkit. Before January 2013, the PS4 devkit was different than the PS4. It was some PC part.
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There are a bit to many things about this info that does not make sense to me. Like that the devkit that is supposed to be the PS5 is literally running as fast as it possibly can with a clock of 2Ghz which would mean low yields and a very big/effective cooling solution, that the hardware specs have no mention of ray tracing capabilities or VRS when the other (Arden) do when confirmed by Cerny that it will have at least ray tracing, how even known insiders that basically never are wrong and don't typically report or comment on "rumors" (Jason) have heard from developers that they would be extremely similar and now we have a 30% tflop difference including missing ray tracing capabilities in the hardware and VRS.
If this is actually the PS5 dev kit and I would have to put money on something it would be that Sony wanted to provide developers with something to use as early as possible and ran with the best AMD card available at the time clocked as high as possible to bring the performance "close" to target specs without developing a completely new chip for developers before even AMD had their own "big" one and perhaps have some hardware outside the APU to provide the ray tracing capabilities while waiting for AMD chip to mature.
I certainly don't believe he's manufacturing these specs and found them but I just can't wrap them around basically everything else we heard from multiple directions and how it would fit what we have been told from people in the industry for the last 6 months.
If this is actually the PS5 dev kit and I would have to put money on something it would be that Sony wanted to provide developers with something to use as early as possible and ran with the best AMD card available at the time clocked as high as possible to bring the performance "close" to target specs without developing a completely new chip for developers before even AMD had their own "big" one and perhaps have some hardware outside the APU to provide the ray tracing capabilities while waiting for AMD chip to mature.
I certainly don't believe he's manufacturing these specs and found them but I just can't wrap them around basically everything else we heard from multiple directions and how it would fit what we have been told from people in the industry for the last 6 months.
I'll have that PS5 PRO in 2024 please.
As long as aptX is supported by the transceiver/dongle it should work.
That would depend on where they getting there info from .
Some devs who working on the system and certain people would have more updated info or at least there plans.
anexanhume has a very interesting hypothesis.It would be fascinating if it turns out to be true but i am, frankly, deeply skeptical.We have so little time left till mass production starts.Anyway,fun times ahead! :)
Let me be clear I don't necessarily think that this is what has happened. This is me working backward from what insiders are telling us. Absent their info, I would believe PS5 is 36CU, 2.0GHz, with some type of hardware RT, but no VRS, and less than 10TF.
Take one look at the dev kit leak. It's built around a massive cooling solution.
You have spoken ;)
Btw,i am still fascinated they might really go with 2GHz clock in a retail console...
Was talking about the final dev kits .
Since the devs kits are given way in advance and things change from the early version .( as we saw even with PS5)
But final dev kits have the same specs as the system for at least PS4.
Yes exactly the same but we speak of May/June 2020 for final devkit. But in January we must have a devkits looking like what will be inside the PS5 before they can work with PC part.
since when ?:d I remember you claim that gonzalo is not navi10lite
Just post something cryptic in cboat style and this changes immediately.
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