if the only difference between them would be those 2 TFs, then yea sure i wouldnt mind pricing it $100 less.
but $100 less will require a lot more than that/force them to take a serious hit when compared to the hit MS is taking on the Series X.
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but $100 less will require a lot more than that/force them to take a serious hit when compared to the hit MS is taking on the Series X.
You think the PS5 launches $100 less than the XSX? Does Lockhart launch at the same time or does it come later?
isnt the rumor that MS are launching them both at the same time? that is what i expect anyway.
See I thought that they would launch simultaneously, Series X and Series S. I dont see the point in staggering the release though I thought there was a consensus in this thread that Lockhart was/is coming later, post XSX?
one important thing to remember.
there is no consensnsus for anything in this thread XD
before we knew it had always been in plans, and before we made the connection that Sparkman = Lockhart.
Dont think it's bad to launch later though, since the pieces are in place.
The guy made an article using different post we made here but it is good because it is a good reference to everything we talk about.
For example, if The Xbox Series X SSD is 2GB/s I expect it to perform better than a generic SSD and the speed will be not so far from the raw bandwidth speed.
That is very very true, lol.
Does the day end in a Y? Then this thread will change its mind!
We have been so in the weeds trying to fight over something as small as 2 TF. 399 can ultimately resonate hard with customers. More so than any other variable.
Conceding the power crown in a thread like this is considered an embarasent - but Jim Ryan has said PS5 is looking to move customers over at a unseen pace.
XSX will ultimately retain the power crown and looks to have designed the system for greater power draw and thermals. It will come at a cost. $499?
Lockart looks to skimp on all the finer things and offer a baseline experience. $299 for it - and MS is looking to dent install base by millions.
PS5 needs to represent the best value per dollar for a console. If you get to 10 TF - even just barely - $399 can be a perfect price point where Lockhart looks like a massive downgrade and the XSX looks like unnecessary luxury. This is the angle I'd chase.
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I have a question for someone that's technically minded in the art of cooling..
Let's say Sony sticks by their design choices of the PS4 and Pro. Let's say they want to update the cooling solution, but by making it more evolutionary than revolutionary, by that I mean they dont go the Vapor chamber route, or something as exotic as watercooling. How would they go about doing that? We know the Pro and base PS4 has a single fan and relies on air circulation in a vacuum type system (because on the Pro for example, it works most efficient when the cover is on, rather than removed).
1) How could they evolve the same technique for the hardware in a 200-250+ watt box?
2)Would that be enough for a 2.0GHZ GPU, or would that high clock require something more exotic, like a vapor chamber type solution?
3) Would an evolution of this kind of system (like the existing Pro and PS4 Slim)be why theres so much ventilation on the dev kit? (meaning the retail system would have to be designed in a similar vein that incorporates that type/number of vents?
4) In a nutshell... just from the devkit vents, are tgey going in a completely different direction from how they handle cooling on the PS4 Slim/Pro?
Let's say Sony sticks by their design choices of the PS4 and Pro. Let's say they want to update the cooling solution, but by making it more evolutionary than revolutionary, by that I mean they dont go the Vapor chamber route, or something as exotic as watercooling. How would they go about doing that? We know the Pro and base PS4 has a single fan and relies on air circulation in a vacuum type system (because on the Pro for example, it works most efficient when the cover is on, rather than removed).
1) How could they evolve the same technique for the hardware in a 200-250+ watt box?
2)Would that be enough for a 2.0GHZ GPU, or would that high clock require something more exotic, like a vapor chamber type solution?
3) Would an evolution of this kind of system (like the existing Pro and PS4 Slim)be why theres so much ventilation on the dev kit? (meaning the retail system would have to be designed in a similar vein that incorporates that type/number of vents?
4) In a nutshell... just from the devkit vents, are tgey going in a completely different direction from how they handle cooling on the PS4 Slim/Pro?
Theoretically we may really see a $399 PS5 in USA because it is the most competitive market while in other countries PS brand is far more stronger than Ms.
or best yet, less info in the future because _rogame posts who Tum_Apisak and the others used to look for some of their leaks.
PS5 cheaper by $100 in the States compared to the RoTW? That would be a bold strategy and would take the terrible Xbox One tiers to another level.
We will have a better idea on some things after CES in early January. I expect Microsoft to talk more about Xbox Series X with AMD since Phil showed up at CES last year on stage with Lisa Su, and the overall RDNA2 GPU information may shed a light on what is realistic in general for these consoles.
regarding pricing, also important to remember that PS5 isnt the premium sku, there wont be any other ways to play next gen games day one on the playstation platform than buying them on PS5, which incentivizes sony to take a bigger loss on it, FWIW i dont think MS are gonna be losing a lot of money on each Series X sold. There is not much business sense in a premium SKU that also sells at a major loss day one (that is, assuming lockhart/Series S is actually day one).
With that said, i still think PS5 is $499.
With that said, i still think PS5 is $499.
Right now we already have that kind of bullshit, it whouldn't surprise me if it happen.
Seems a bit predictable/vanilla/boring. Where's the megaton WOW moment? It is enshrined in gamer law we get at least one megaton talking point per gen.
Games and services will be the key defining selling point for both consoles instead of hardware, Microsoft will show off all the games that those studios that they purchased have been working on while Sony will flex with their worldwide studios.
Phil Spencer: We lied... Lockhart is Xbox Series X is at 12 teraflops
Crowd gasps
Phil Spencer: Xbox Serious X is coming with 24 teraflops
Imagine the speed of this thread during E3 2020.
I wager about 150 pages throughout E3 week.
Is E3 going to be big like 2013 or will all the publishers do their own thing "around" E3 time? I remember reading that E3 would be more about these social media influencers like Ninja.
It isn't. DrKeo explained yesterday here why something like that is highly unrealistic.APU design was done in 2018 already,you can not add more CUs, change memory controller and big things like that anymore.They can possibly double the memory in clamshell mode and raise CPU or GPU clocks and stuff like that.
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Latest PS5 posting from the other place.. has anyone determined if this guy was legit or FOS
Is 88 ROPs even a thing? Why would they even need more than 64 considering the clock is so high anyway
God i hope not, E3 next year should be as big if not bigger than E3 2013 chock full of everything next gen related.
as of now, Pastebin tier until proven right.
Also think it's better if you remove the url, in case the mods have problems with linking with the other site directly.
Lol same. Imagine a "one more thing" announcement from Ubisoft or something and it ends up being Ninja playing Just Dance.
Holy crap i literally just pictured him doing the floss on stage at E3 at the Ubisoft conference while showing off a new just dance game for the next gen consoles.
Imagine if MS somehow brought that back from the dead for a sequel. That and Scalebound. Man, that would have been an impressive start for the Series X.
Cause Sony (and MS) has access to newest AMD tech that still didn't hit the consumer market. That's how PS4 Pro had some tech from AMD Vega (Rapid packed math) before Vega was even launched.That's how both PS4 and XB1 had Jaguar CPU in 2013,before Jaguar was launched while AMD was still selling Bobcat (Jaguar's predecessor) APUs to mass market.
because all 2 have been working with the Navi architecture since the beginning, especially Sony.
Ariel for instance, is GFX1000, the first to get the Navi codename. There's hardware ray tracing, confirmed. Late 2020 for RDNA2 to be released. Journalists saying both are essentially the same.
All point towards both consoles using RDNA2.
Hell I'd take an avatar bet that the rumor Sony worked closely with AMD for Navi is true.
also because I could use a new avatar
also because I could use a new avatar
Of course.But if Ariel (Navi 10 Lite) is really GPU part of PS5 then probably it's not big Navi but some Navi 10 derivate/modification with hardware RT.We heard that AMD worked closely with Sony on Navi graphics so the GPU in PS5 in specifically tailored to what Sony asked for.
We'll find out soon i hope...
The issue with this is the assumption that sony changed their APU in 2019, rather than planning this and making an early prototype (its possible because Ariel was the first Navi die, was in development before even the development of the desktop navi), which means they had a built prototype navi with some of sony's features. Because of that they could have sent devkits early. So they could have sent early prototype kits, and then send a RDNA 2 based kit. Sony can do that because they were a significant part of all the development process.
In your opinion, wouldn't you say it would just be smarter to release them simultaneously? I mean considering a massive amount of People didn't opt for the Pro during the mid cycle refresh, releasing the Pro 3-4 years into the generation wouldn't affect a lot of Players. Hell, there's still People JUST getting a PS4 now.
I do get the idea of having hardware with current, updated specs down the road. Perhaps a Pro v2 revision or something? Something about Microsoft with a supposed Lockheart SKU gives more people a chance to get in the cheapest way possible. Jim Ryan's quote has been floating in this thread about the Player migration to PS5 ASAP. There has to be another SKU to systematically make that work somehow.
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