Some have not miss it they just want to go with 40CU because that all AMD has out right now.
Even thought these systems a year plus away .
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Some have not miss it they just want to go with 40CU because that all AMD has out right now.
Even thought these systems a year plus away .
Thanks, but no, the last couple of thread titles were solid gold and deserved to win. Mostly Fan Noise And Hot Air should've been permanent, frankly. That shit is evergreen.
These aren't random people. We have information from the system architect who made a statement. It's frustrating for you to act like that context isn't important to why people are thinking and speculating in a certain direction.
As far as streaming games, that's where you and I differ, there's no way I'd ever choose to stream a game over downloading it or installing from disc. Also the ramifications of ownership and preservation of games makes me hope that Stadia, a product that only offers streaming games, fails miserably. As far as Microsoft and Sony's aspirations, at least they both will offer physical and downloadable alternatives.
What is the assumed cost of a drive with the speed we're talking about here? I've seen numbers passed around in this thread, but I'm curious why you think so definitively that it's not possible.
And I talk about it for a long time Sony is not doing something new with the SSD, this customization exists in Datacenter. This is different because they tailored the "Parallel NAND Flash" to be used for gaming. They have a special file format specially tailored to SSD (File Archive) for the game and hardware modification(secondary CPU, ASIC hardware decompressor, custom controller, SRAM for address translation and cache and a special queue system).
This is not magic and the funny things the SSD strip-down of many unuseful features of NVMe for gaming will be very cost-efficient.
This is not magic and the funny things the SSD strip-down of many unuseful features of NVMe for gaming will be very cost-efficient.
In regards to the price discussion I am gonna take cernys word "PS5 price will be appealing to gamers in light of its advanced feature set". To me this screams its going to be more expesive(499) but its advance tech will justify that price.
Yep. I think RGT miscommunicated and made a typo. Imo he meant 36 BC2 and 40 on chip.
It lost cause for some people .
They think custom mean more expensive for no reason .
Also they links to show people have been doing research into this stuff for years and some of it already there like data centers .
It's because it's a close system that they can try and do new things with the SSD.
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The reasoning of a deranged fanboy lmao
There was another tweet where he said it's not native again if i remember right .
Classic filesystems were created for HDD, same serial I/O work well with HDD. SSD works better with the filesystem created for them and parallels I/O. parallel I/O is slower than serial I/O on HDD. The day people will understand Sony was just clever probably read R&D about what other peoples have done in datacenters and come with the idea to do the same but with gaming and be able to be cost-efficient.
He has given us
Sparkman aka Lockhart with HW RT and VRS when Lockhart was still dead.
He gaves us 2.0ghz clock for Oberon. The BC modes for the Oberon GPU.
He gave RGT the total CU count.
Obviously the names you mentioned.
It's possible some new games and sequels will only appear in a tech demo form (ie small slices meant to show off new engines, SSD loading times, not anything revelatory in regards to plot or gameplay). That's what I expect from the rumored The Initiative game reveal.I hope we get Spider-Man 2 but realistically that's probably an E3 2020 thing at the earliest. Still, they chose Spider-Man for the first Wired article so it'd be fitting to show the sequel when you actually reveal the console.
Can't imagine how it'll look AND play on PS5.
Total CU count for what ?
None of the data he has given us has lead to anything other than people trying to fit in where they want.
I think like with the hardware itself, the launch lineup will be more on par than ever before.
It's not easy to know what Xbox is going to have outside Halo Infinite and Forza 8, but they've always seemed to have front-loaded launches for their consoles so I'd expect those 2 games, a handful of indies and about 3-4 larger games. Maybe more if any XGS games become delayed.
Now Sony, they've been known over the past 2 gens to have a lackluster launch lineup, but I personally think this is something that will change for the PS5. Some of their WWS have not released a game for years, there have been rumours of certain titles, and they have also made the official statement that they want a faster transition than before. Exclusive games is one thing really what will get people moving to new hardware. So launch titles imo will be: Ratchet 2, GodFall, Bluepoint's remake and GT7, with a handful of indies and a couple of larger games.
HBM2 and ReRam for 500? LOL
Oh man, and 2TB SDD. Please give me what you are smoking dude.
Good thing for me what I want is the truth.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
Xb1 and xb1x had 4/8 RBEs respectively, with 16 / 32 ROPs total respectively. PS4 had 8 RBEs. This is likely referring to BC for XB1 (Gen0), which had 16 ROPS. Guessing Scorpio would be Gen1. Similar set up the Gen0(PS4), Gen1(Pro), Gen2(Oberon) labeling used on Sony's side. Since Komachi...
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I can't find that post anymore. I may have imagined it. Forget I said that.
I wouldn't say so. He provided the link between GPU variant and the Codenames of the different SOCs. The GPU variant tells you the max CU count. Navi 10 = 40, Navi 14 = 24.
Flutter made a good summary just recently about it! Also thread marked!
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Yeah I could see this happening. There was a small slice of Spider-Man gameplay at the PS4 Pro reveal that was just there to show off the detail in his suit in 4K.
Good thing for me what I want is the truth.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
Xb1 and xb1x had 4/8 RBEs respectively, with 16 / 32 ROPs total respectively. PS4 had 8 RBEs. This is likely referring to BC for XB1 (Gen0), which had 16 ROPS. Guessing Scorpio would be Gen1. Similar set up the Gen0(PS4), Gen1(Pro), Gen2(Oberon) labeling used on Sony's side. Since Komachi...
If you wanted the truth you would have not said that there was a miscommunicated with the numbers.
To try and fit into what you want .
Well in my pursuit of truth I connected with RGT. So....
in the datacenter people use distributed network filesystem like lustre, gpfs, gfs, etc not sure how this technology could help Sony
I said it is different because the needs are different but the people tailor the system to their needs. They don't need to do the same thing but understand than the SSD is fully customizable to a gaming platform.
I just said customize a SSD is not new and not magic, other people did it before Sony but for different workload.
It's not suppose to help Sony.
It's to show they customize SSD for datacenters .
They same way how Sony will customised there SSD for games in a close box system.
There is no need for the SSD to be a jack of all trades since it's not a PC .
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what sony statements claim over 5GB/s? If you looked at all the benchmarked drives on website I posted earlier you would have seen none were higher than 2.5GB/s. Patents mean absolutely 0 just as MS VRS patent means 0.
take a look at user benchmarks and tell me what is much faster than 2GB/s?
I think almost all Sony studios don't have time to develop something big for the launch of the PS5. Unless they are much smaller games than Sony has been making for the last 3 years, I can't see much other than a new Japan Studio game. Sony probably will pay for other third party games to be exclusive at launch, just as they will with Godfall.
$600 actually. i said they will take a hundred dollar loss and sell it for $499.
their ssd and reram tech is their own propitiatory tech. it wont cost as much if they were to buy it from a third party.
there were several hbm2 estimates given a few pages ago. $60 for 8gb was mentioned. should be cheaper than 8gb gddr6.
And Mike Ybarra told PS5 SSD faster than any PC SSD is a fact. He is since two months at Activision Blizzard. And he had all the time to see how fast Prospero SSD can fill the entire memory of the devkits. And I don't think he is a PS fanboy. ;)
How is it guaranteed for Sony that they'll sell 80-100M? Didn't PS2 go from 158M to ~80M? How can you say for certain that Anaconda and Lockheart are not using same APU like Anaconda rejects go into Lockheart? You do know that MS also has leverage of Surface? What about APUs that will go into Microsoft azure which will also power Sony cloud as per their shaken on intentions? Ohh and one more thing you are forgetting in your predictions is that Kinect played part in xbox one price as did needed esram.
fair enough if you are talking about SSD controllers, on the other hand referring to parallel, distributed filesystem used in the datacenter is totally inaccurate. Btw you can have enterprise storage solutions implemented on top mechanical HDDs.
I'm not disputing that claim at all, I'm just convinced they were talking about widely available drives and not just released ones. I'd bet that Aorus is the first next gen SSD.
But looking at drives actual speeds and they are significantly lower than official speeds.
As for what you showed with baidu the other day to me that sounds like completely different type of drive formatting and something that a lot of things wouldn't be compatible with.
All the SSD in PS5 have to be compatible with is PS5 software and hardware .
So it don't really matter how compatible is it with anything else.
If BOM is around $500, you have to add shipping & storage, take into account retailers cut, taxes, import dutties, and of course marketing, right?
So if BOM is around $500, I'd say retail would be around that, and they'll eat the cost of the other stuff, which could amount to maybe $100?
Maybe they take an extra $50 if they go crazy, for $449. That would be more likely for the PS5 if they only release 1 SKU, but still not that likely
I have no real expertise on the matter though, just a hunch.
Perhaps, but I still think it's realistic for a new R&C sequel (over 2y since Spider-Man, almost 4y since R&C), Bluepoint's PS5 project (almost 3y since SoTC) and GT7 (3y since Sport) to launch by around November 2020, with third party exclusives like Godfall complimenting them - and perhaps a new Japan Studio game as you mentioned (almost 3y since Gravity Rush 2).
Nah. I'm putting two and two together: statements from Mark Cerny and published specs from Windows Central. Additionally, we have a degree of clarification from Mike Ybarra who works for Activision-Blizzard. It's hard to read it any other way.
Idk if Microsoft's VRS patent means 0. Phil Spencer literally referred to Microsoft's "patented VRS tech" in the Xbox SX news post:
Is the Ybarra clarification that one snippet from a live stream? I can't seem to find reference to that anywhere else but when it was shared on here.
I just said some people customize the software for SSD in datacenter and Sony probably read some of the R&D before doing their own customization for gaming. I suppose the File archive filesystem is made for help to maximize the SSD read.
And I said for 6 months customize the software and hardware for SSD is not magic and not new. Some have done it for other needs than Sony.
True, but it would add complexity to the software that gets ported. Also wouldn't increasing each block size by default ensure more SSD space is wasted too?
It was in RDX live chat on Tuesday
Ok are we taking Phil Spencers words as well? We can't have double standards.
I'm just saying that I've seen thousands of these patents that are awesome on paper and almost never end up in devices we hope for. VRS is available to everyone too.
Yeah im with you. 90% of the time patents don't mean much. Just in this particular instance it looks like at least some of the patent is being used
https://youtu.be/WcZtZaZmGwM
Start at 1:30:42 Mike Ybarra stating that Xbox SeX SSD is faster than anything available on PC today, this was on tuesday and I was just reminded of it.
That's the one I'm going off, yeah.
What words are those? Is it anything we can actually dig into, or just more statements of intent?
If they think the add complexity is worth it they will do it and it might not even be hard with Sony tools.
It will come down to how they do there tools and from what we know Sony is good at that .
There was a interview with Jim where he said this was the fastest devs have had there software up and running PS system.
So it don't seem to be a problem .
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