If this is the case why don't simply state more than 3.5GB/s? Again, no hard numbers and the freedom to choice a reference.
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I've yet to see an AMD card that pushes above 64 CUs so that's all I'm going on. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but so far I'm all pressxtodoubt.jpg on this until AMD shows us more CUs.
I don't see PS5 being 36 CUs either. Seems... low, unless they are really somehow pushing 2Ghz clocks.
Yeah,sales of Series X will be interesting for sure after the launch period. It will probably get first price cut for 2021 holiday season.
A $599 PS3 with a horrible launch went on to sell 85M+ units.
A $499 PS5 with a presumably good or great launch will reach 100M+ units.
Obvious jealousy. You were good, too good, and they all knew it. 🤣
Interesting that Sony hasn't confirmed GDDR6 yet...
Would going with HBM affect the possibility of ReRAM at all? Would HBM interfere with the ReRAM memory?
Would going with HBM affect the possibility of ReRAM at all? Would HBM interfere with the ReRAM memory?
Exactly.And that tells us they can launch again $399 console without any price cut for years to come.
Why launch expensive console ,like PS3, that needs several price cuts to have successful sales?
this and i highly doubt it is over 5gb/s that the pc can already achieve. Sony PR overhyping again.
Why does Microsoft say 2x the power of Xbox One X instead of giving actual numbers? Nobody's got numbers for us right now. They must be saving that stuff for the final reveals.
From where I'm sitting, it seems like:
- PS5's SSD could be faster
- Xbox SX's SSD can be used as VRAM
- Microsoft has a patented Variable Refresh Shading solution that will help with higher FPS
only because they severely lowered the price soon after launch. no chance they do the same thing again.
Also, companies don't like having to cut the price early, it shows weakness and usually a sign of failure (for instance the 3DS).
For me, Phil Spensor retweeting and affirmation of "they do good work" DF's analysis of raw number 12 TF is plenty confirmation.
Cerny said bandwidth. Not read/write speeds. Higher bandwidth, technically, can just be the theoretical max bandwidth of pcie4 vs pcie3.
PS3 was financial disaster for Sony and almost ruined the entire company.I'm sure they don't want to repeat that experience ,pricing included, ever again.
Potential $499 PS5 sales would slow down sometime in 2021 already and would need a price cut, just like Series X, for 2021 holiday season.
That is my point. You're only looking at price. There are a bunch of factors that go along with price that can influence how much they end up selling LTD.
And my point is that Sony executives will be in for a rude awakening if they think $499 PS5 would sell as well as $399 PS4, no matter what tech it has inside.Not to mention "massive and fast transition" to the next gen that Jim Ryan was talking about.That's all :)
Btw,i wish we learn the price at the PS Meeting in Feb. but i'm afraid we'll have to wait E3 for that... :(
There is multiples ways to fast transition besides the price, you continue to be stuck in 399, they are not going for that price.
There was but IIRC sort of sounded like someone didn't already know that navi was built with DCUs and assumed 40dcu=80cu. By that "logic" 5700xt is 80cu.
Just read up on the PS4 Pro Slim rumors from June. What if the PS4 Pro Slim is just the PS5 Lite, aka a cheaper Lockhart-esque PS5 that's priced at $399 or thereabouts?
That's not what the Hovis method is. It's about carefully tuning every part of the console and it's parts to deliver the perfect amount of power delivery for each chip which ends up maximizing efficiency and cutting down on heat and power consumption. Even perfect chips will have the method used on them.
Yes I expect they will cut price to $399 as fast as they can if RAM and SSD are cheaper.
They're not looking at sales right away. Remember PS4 will live alongside PS5 until 2022 or thereabouts. PS5 is just an extension of the PS ecosystem.
In the meantime we'll see more emphasis on cross-gen transitions with both PS5 and PS4 games. This is an interesting gen because last-gen is still being supported, so it's kind of a mix between an iterative cycle (BC) and a full gen reset (high-end hardware).
I think they'll really start banking on hardware sales until the PS4 is eclipsed.
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Price is one of the big factors that facilitate transitioning between products. Yes, it's not the only factor but it is an important one.
Imagine if PS5 did have HBM, it would kick the door wide open for HBM to be in more consumer devices. I don't mean Xbox Series X, but future consoles, including future Xbox consoles, and future PlayStation consoles. Mid range gaming cards, etc. Manufacturing volume of HBM goes way up, costs come down.
HBM would no longer be limited to HPC Nvidia Tesla accelerators and some Radeon Vega cards.
HBM would no longer be limited to HPC Nvidia Tesla accelerators and some Radeon Vega cards.
Did people forgot PS3 20gb model was 499$ on release, not 599$? It seems like people always throw that 599$ number.
And yes back in 2006 499$ had about the same buying power as 600-650$ today.
PS3 was indeed a bit expensive for that time. I don't think 599$ is good price point for console, 499$ is just perfect.
And yes back in 2006 499$ had about the same buying power as 600-650$ today.
PS3 was indeed a bit expensive for that time. I don't think 599$ is good price point for console, 499$ is just perfect.
Most of them are probably Gamer17, he was the definition of console warrior.
J/k if you're reading this Gamer lmao
If you can, explain how high mem bandwith means in terms of game graphics and performance. its one the one part of game hardware i just cant fucking understand
and i think i just lost all faith in this rumor. if the advantages were really this big, both in terms of price, performance and tdp savings, MS wouldve gone with hbm as well. the fact they didnt is proof that its not ready for consoles yet.
They can go with HBM2E or HBM3 to reduce the number of stacks by two at the same speed maybe 12 to 18 months after launch. They can reduce the bus size of DDR4 to 128 bits later with DDR5.
After maybe this is not the configuration but I think Sony will use HBM2.
and i think i just lost all faith in this rumor. if the advantages were really this big, both in terms of price, performance and tdp savings, MS wouldve gone with hbm as well. the fact they didnt is proof that its not ready for consoles yet.
I'm imagining you having a similar reaction during PSM when they announce 14 TF and HBM2. 😂
Exactly, a healthy amount of skepticism is the right way to look at all these PR talks. You should wary remember the super charged (jaguar) PC architecture and the power of the cloud.
Correct, you can chnage the price using other methods.
For example, getting credit on your psn account is one example.
That's because they were taking +$200 loss on each hardware and not because them selling just 85 million.
How is paying 500 every 7 years for something that you love expensive? I'm a poor student myself but even I can scratch that money together.
yeah so basically they are confirming pcie 4.0 then? XSX could have this.
This is what bothered me even with the earlier OTs that preceded any remotely credible leaks. People were trying to come up with arbitrary differences between the two consoles without any rhyme or reason. Those discussions served nothing but flame the console warz.
And now that we have some info, there's still a contingent trying to manufacture a gulf between the two despite everything pointing to a very close end result.
Because they can't rely on their competition to shit the bed again.
PS4 launched with a $10 PSN voucher. I bought Resogun with mine.
Vouchers, trade in programs, phase payments programs.
There is N ways to do a fast transition.
$499 at launch.
The PS4 is one of the best and fastest selling consoles ever. Even if they fall short of that, the PS5 can still be a resounding success. It isn't 100M+ or bust. That being said, I think PS5 will sell just as well, of course.
I wouldn't worry about PS Meeting. It will be early. Believe.
It isn't for me, but perhaps people with families, five hundred might be the whole Christmas budget. But of course they will come down over time plus there are cheaper alternatives like Switch. It does kind of concern me that consoles will be less prevelant in the future if the price themselves out of mainstream adoption.
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