Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)

Doctor Avatar · Dec 21, 2019

Tonky said:
It's digital only too

If Xbox Series X is being sold at a loss at $500 it's going to cost ~$600 to make.

To sell the Series S at $300 and not at a huge loss it would literally have to cost half of what the Series X does to make.

You're cutting down your APU size maybe in half - that get's you $100 max (if I'm being generous) so we're at $500 to make.
1/3 less RAM so maybe another $50 off, now we're at $450 to make
Being generous $25 for the disc drive - $425 to make.
Being generous again another $25 less for lower power PSU and a few other nips and tucks we're at $400.

Unless MS are happy to also take a loss of $100 on the Series S I don't really see how it can be sold for $300. It's basically an Xbox One X with a better CPU, SSD and RAM but without the disc drive. Which currently retails at $500.

I think it will be $350 for the series S and it will come later not at launch. With both PS5 and Series X at $500

Sunlight · Dec 21, 2019

Doctor Avatar said:
Xbox Series S $350
Xbox Series X $500
PS5 $500

You aren't going to be saving huge amounts of money by cutting down the APU and cutting out 4GB RAM. Maybe $150 max.

Yes so I highly doubt low end xbox can be sold at $299.
Unless an all digital Lockhart with smaller SSD.

Manixramz · Dec 21, 2019

Tonky said:
They need to avoid $599 at all costs. That's just too much for a console. $299/$499 is the ideal combination I think.

I do understand that but they have series s to encounter that.

Also if we go for that logic, 499 for 1 x is what should they avoided.

Also, 299 will not bring s to keep up with x or ps5.

Also the all-digital edition was 249. Big mistake and it failed .

Firmus_Anguis · Dec 21, 2019

The fact that we're going from underpowered consoles this gen, to almost toe-to-toe with high-end PC's (at least at launch), is incredible. We might just see another PS2 -> PS3 transition. Games already look amazing... 12+ tflops GPU's with support for HW accelerated RT, Zen 2 CPU's, amazingly fast SSD's, way faster RAM... They've addressed every bottleneck.

If the RAM amount turns out to be 24 GB on both consoles as well - It's the fucking dream. It's the E3 2015 of console launches.

How the hell can't you get excited for next-gen with these specs?

Lausebub · Dec 21, 2019

Lockhart will launch 2021 for 299$ and both Series X and PS will cost 499$.

disco_potato · Dec 21, 2019

senjutsusage said:
Leaning towards 64 due to the apparent design limitation being removed. I assume the limitation has been removed because they've significantly improved their heat and power performance. Also, do keep in mind the Hovis Method Microsoft used on Xbox One X, which significantly made a difference in terms of power, heat and efficiency. Why wouldn't they revisit that one again? I honestly feel like Microsoft can push the very limits of their GPU and get away with it.

That's not what the hovis method does. It's basically taking chips that aren't good enough, and putting more volts into them to make the cut. It's a way to get higher yields. That's why some sites tested oneX units with >55dB noise levels and reaching nearly 200w while the norm were ~47dB with ~175w.

Tora · Dec 21, 2019

Firmus_Anguis said:
The fact that we're going from underpowered consoles this gen, to almost toe-to-toe with high-end PC's (at least at launch), is incredible. We might just see another PS2 -> PS3 transition. Games already look amazing... 12+ tflops GPU's with support for HW accelerated RT, Zen 2 CPU's, amazingly fast SSD's, way faster RAM... They've addressed every bottleneck.

If the RAM amount turns out to be 24 GB on both consoles as well - It's the fucking dream. It's the E3 2015 of console launches.

How the hell can't you get excited for next-gen with these specs?

Pretty sure it'll be 16GB from rumours.

Also; it's a console, there will be a bottleneck somewhere. Give it time!

I do absolutely agree though, things are very exciting.

Kolx · Dec 21, 2019

This thread moves too fast despite having no news.

Firmus_Anguis · Dec 21, 2019

Dictator
Alex, where's the Godfall analysis, man? 😜
Are you guys working on it?

III-V · Dec 21, 2019

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YaBish · Dec 21, 2019

Lausebub said:
Lockhart will launch 2021 for 299$ and both Series X and PS will cost 499$.

This is where I'm leaning as well. Just makes the most sense to me to have some space between Series X and S.

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I love this lol

Outrun · Dec 21, 2019

disco_potato said:
That's not what the hovis method does. It's basically taking chips that aren't good enough, and putting more volts into them to make the cut. It's a way to get higher yields. That's why some sites tested oneX units with >55dB noise levels and reaching nearly 200w while the norm were ~47dB with ~175w.

Just wait until you see what Sony is capable of, with their Jehovis Method! :)

Sunlight · Dec 21, 2019

Do we have Lockhart news? It seems no leak of devkits, doesn't sound like 2020 release.

Bosch · Dec 21, 2019

senjutsusage said:
If it's 12TF RDNA/RDNA2 it's unquestionably 2080 Super class. And we know consoles punch well above their weight. Even you yourself just stated 2080 class and now you're down to 2070?

It is not official. Sorry until we have official specs it is rumours.

And there is a long time consoles punch on pair with equivalent gpu on pc. A 7850 performs exactly as a ps4 even on current games. Same for a 580 and a one x.

Deleted member 20297 · Dec 21, 2019

Alandring said:
Yeah, I agree. The best case for Microsoft would be:
Xbox Series S: $300
PlayStation 5: $500
Xbox Series X: $600

Going with the rumors here no way will XSX cost more than PS5.

Philippo · Dec 21, 2019

Could XsX/PS5 have DisplayPorts on top of HDMIs?

Patent · Dec 21, 2019

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This one is to perfect

JaggedSac · Dec 21, 2019

Alandring said:
Yeah, I agree. The best case for Microsoft would be:
Xbox Series S: $300
PlayStation 5: $500
Xbox Series X: $600

Isn't the PS5 supposed to be more powerful than the Series X? How is it going to be $100 cheaper?

D BATCH · Dec 21, 2019

Wow new rumours outta thin air and surprise surprise now put it ahead of XSX lol.

Nos · Dec 21, 2019

2 more months guys.

Sticky · Dec 21, 2019

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Excellent

RoninStrife · Dec 21, 2019

JaggedSac said:
Isn't the PS5 supposed to be more powerful than the Series X? How is it going to be $100 cheaper?

After that DF article, I assumed people believed the Series X to be more powerful?

Premium · Dec 21, 2019

D BATCH said:
Wow new rumours outta thin air and surprise surprise now put it ahead of XSX lol.

A tale as old as time.

Wace · Dec 21, 2019

In regard of "easy transition" and taking in account full previous gen BC, how do you think, would either of manufacturers try to introduce some kind of global trade-in policy?

Brown Intruder · Dec 21, 2019

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Putty · Dec 21, 2019

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Winner, pack it up.

Miniature Kaiju · Dec 21, 2019

AegonSnake said:
I know you are all joking but this means 56 cu at 2.0 oberon clocks were way too ambitious and now they have to scale it down.

all cool with me. i will take gonzalo at 1.85 ghz and 13 tflops.

I kid, but, even though I might disagree with some of your ideas, I actually admire your tenacity and enthusiasm.

And yeah, 13TF @ 1.85GHz would be bomb as fuck. Using that wild 56CU setup I dreamed lmao.

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We have a winner.

sleepr · Dec 21, 2019

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tapedeck · Dec 21, 2019

I've said this before I'll say it again..if Lockhart is indeed a thing (which I'm definitely not a fan) there needs to be a minimum $200 price difference between it and Series X or don't even bother.

Even if Series X ends up being something crazy like 13-14TF I still think it ain't gonna be a penny over $499.99 and MS will just eat whatever cost they have to. Lockhart will be at most $299.99.

Thiago · Dec 21, 2019

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Adookah · Dec 21, 2019

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AegonSnake · Dec 21, 2019

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Lmao. We have a winner.

Thorrgal · Dec 21, 2019

Doctor Avatar said:
The realists have almost been as bad as the fanboys in these threads IMO. Even when they turn out to be wrong time and time again they still show no humility or change of tune. We have people still trying to push 8TF PS5, even though that almost certainly isn't going to happen.

It's frustrating to have to deal with constant, gleeful wishing for the consoles to be as weak as they possibly could be.

Why? I think it's amazing how they've been proven wrong time and time again! It's half of what makes this thread so much fun.

Remember the 12TF/10TF/8TF gif? We're looking at 12TF-13TF RDNA beasts now, which would be equivalent to between 15TF-18TF GNC! Now go back in time and post that, you would be banned for trolling, lol

AegonSnake · Dec 21, 2019

Firmus_Anguis said:
Dictator
Alex, where's the Godfall analysis, man? 😜
Are you guys working on it?

Gaming Bolt on YouTube did a pretty decent analysis of it.

I mean it looks last gen compared to hellblade 2 but u can tell there are some pretty high quality effects in it still. They cut to rdr2 footage at times in the video and its a generational difference.

tapedeck · Dec 21, 2019

Thorrgal said:
Why? I think it's amazing how they've been proven wrong time and time again! It's half of what makes this thread so much fun.

Remember the 12TF/10TF/8TF gif? We're looking at 12TF-13TF RDNA beasts now, which would be equivalent to between 15TF-18TF GNC! Now go back in time and post that, you would be banned for trolling, lol

Ha this is on point, those early speculation threads I was guessing 12-14 TF and being insulted and dismissed as completely clueless as to how 'console tech' works.

Miniature Kaiju · Dec 21, 2019

D BATCH said:
Wow new rumours outta thin air and surprise surprise now put it ahead of XSX lol.

It's been (negligibly) ahead of XSX since the Reiner tweets. KLee confirmed that. It hasn't changed since. We haven't had one credible rumor that puts XSX ahead of PS5, not from a journalist, not from an insider that would have an inkling about what both are doing.

The closest thing to that was Matt saying that, if he were hard-pressed to make an educated guess - i.e. he doesn't actually know it to be either way - he'd guess MS would have a slight advantage by launch.

Firmus_Anguis · Dec 21, 2019

AegonSnake said:
Gaming Bolt on YouTube did a pretty decent analysis of it.

I mean it looks last gen compared to hellblade 2 but u can tell there are some pretty high quality effects in it still. They cut to rdr2 footage at times in the video and its a generational difference.

Yeah, I saw it, but I'd love to hear DF's take on it. 😊
Godfall is obviously not representative of what the PS5 will be truly capable of, but it's still a lot of fun to watch.

Lokimaster · Dec 21, 2019

A $599 system is going to fail no matter if you have a $200 option. No one should be selling a system at $599 especially MS, they already have trouble selling their systems at lower prices. they in no way shape or form, should be trying to sell anything near $599. Hell, no one barley bought the X, until it was on sale.
Sony got lucky that the ps3 even sold 80+ million with the ps3. None of them should attempt $599

Thorrgal · Dec 21, 2019

AegonSnake said:
Lmao. We have a winner.

Btw Aegon I wanted to commend you for the way you defended Klee when he was been unfairly piled upon this past weeks.

His info may or may not end up being accurate, depending on many aspects outside of his control, but to doubt his integrity the way some people had been doing was totally uncalled for. So thanks again (and to the rest of they peeps that have done the same)

And to Klee and the rest of the thread, Happy Holidays!! Now let's eat and drink and celebrate a great year of games past, and a future even brighter with these machines noone even dreamed of just 2 years ago when we started talking about them. Cheers everyone!!!

Lokimaster · Dec 21, 2019

AegonSnake said:
Gaming Bolt on YouTube did a pretty decent analysis of it.

I mean it looks last gen compared to hellblade 2 but u can tell there are some pretty high quality effects in it still. They cut to rdr2 footage at times in the video and its a generational difference.

That Hell Blade 2 trailer isnt anything that anyone will be actually playing tho. Its not gameplay, nor anything running on the series X. So to say that looks last gen to a cgi trailer isnt saying much.

AegonSnake · Dec 21, 2019

Miniature Kaiju said:
It's been (negligibly) ahead of XSX since the Reiner tweets. KLee confirmed that. It hasn't changed since. We haven't had one credible rumor that puts XSX ahead of PS5, not from a journalist, not from an insider that would have an inkling about what both are doing.

The closest thing to that was Matt saying that, if he were hard-pressed to make an educated guess - i.e. he doesn't actually know it to be either way - he'd guess MS would have a slight advantage by launch.

I still remember the hysteria immediately after the first wired article. Xbox insiders came out of the woodwork to announce that the scarlet was more powerful. I'm pretty sure we even had a thread dedicated for it.

If that was still true, they would've let us know already in the articles. The narrative would've been most powerful, not 12 tflops.

Of course maybe they have learned from their mistakes and are now showing more humility instead of rubbing it in.

RF Switch · Dec 21, 2019

Lokimaster said:
That Hell Blade 2 trailer isnt anything that anyone will be actually playing tho. Its not gameplay, nor anything running on the series X. So to say that looks last gen to a cgi trailer isnt saying much.

but it wasn't cgi

Ebtesam · Dec 21, 2019

Alandring said:
Yeah, I agree. The best case for Microsoft would be:
Xbox Series S: $300
PlayStation 5: $500
Xbox Series X: $600

DOA especially with rumors that PS5 is Stronger than X

JaggedSac · Dec 21, 2019

RoninStrife said:
After that DF article, I assumed people believed the Series X to be more powerful?

Klee says nothing changed, so the 12tf number was always his understanding when he said PS5 > XSX. Given that, there is slim to no chance that the PS5 comes in under the XSX.

So that makes it most likely:

$300 - Lockhart
$500 - PS5/XSX

meenseen84 · Dec 21, 2019

I think Series S may be driven by Xcloud as the Xbox One X would be fine for visuals but you really need the fast loading from the SSD as well increased FPS to reduce that feeling of lag.

Lokimaster · Dec 21, 2019

RF Switch said:
but it wasn't cgi

Lol ok.
It for damn sure wasn't anything representative of anything that we would be playing on the series X

Deleted member 59519 · Dec 21, 2019

Lokimaster said:
That Hell Blade 2 trailer isnt anything that anyone will be actually playing tho. Its not gameplay, nor anything running on the series X. So to say that looks last gen to a cgi trailer isnt saying much.

It's not gameplay, but it's running real-time. Anyway the purpose wasn't to showcase what next-gen games will look like in gameplay —

I was told the trailer represents the full power of Series X, and while the video doesn't showcase average gameplay moments, it still exhibits new levels of detail, lighting, and rendering techniques than we've yet to see on consoles before, at least running in real time.

I stand by what I said earlier that it's the absolute upper echelon of what next-gen games will be able to achieve.

isahn · Dec 21, 2019

JaggedSac said:
Klee says nothing changed, so the 12tf number was always his understanding when he said PS5 > XSX. Given that, there is slim to no chance that the PS5 comes in under the XSX.

So that makes it most likely:

$300 - Lockhart
$500 - PS5/XSX

however Klee refused to confirm a 13TF PS5 saying he always talked about dev kits performance and not hard numbers.

Ebtesam · Dec 21, 2019

AegonSnake said:
I still remember the hysteria immediately after the first wired article. Xbox insiders came out of the woodwork to announce that the scarlet was more powerful. I'm pretty sure we even had a thread dedicated for it.

If that was still true, they would've let us know already in the articles. The narrative would've been most powerful, not 12 tflops.

Of course maybe they have learned from their mistakes and are now showing more humility instead of rubbing it in.

Come on the same thing Happen after TGA it's on both sides...Stop make it Like it happened with Only one Sides...

•79• · Dec 21, 2019

Miniature Kaiju said:
It's been (negligibly) ahead of XSX since the Reiner tweets. KLee confirmed that. It hasn't changed since. We haven't had one credible rumor that puts XSX ahead of PS5, not from a journalist, not from an insider that would have an inkling about what both are doing.

The closest thing to that was Matt saying that, if he were hard-pressed to make an educated guess - i.e. he doesn't actually know it to be either way - he'd guess MS would have a slight advantage by launch.

I took that as Matt placating the noisy rabble after the Reiner fallout.

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