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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Ok, so it will not exist as a final product for consumers then. If tomwarren is right of course
It's almost certainly going to release! I think Tom would agree with that at this point.
Whether it will launch at the exact same time as XSX is another matter.
Maybe I'm wrong. But it appears all the juicy XB info is coming directly from MS sources. Even more so given the outlets reporting such things. Controlled leaks if you will. It's notable how little's been revealed about Lockhart - given it's likely to be by far the best selling SKU.
PS5 news is limited to the Wired articles and a couple of posters on an obscure forum. I'm assuming if anyone in the industry does have the full details. They're NDA'd upto the eyes or have been threatened with being blacklisted!
Tom, I realize you probably haven't had this information shared, but is current XSX dev kit a version of the final retail silicon? Do you know if it's an EUV process or standard DUV? There's some debate whether 7nm means TSMC's 7nm or 7nm EUV.
I often see that Sony described PS5 as the "fastest" next-gen console. But where is it coming from ?
I thought it was this job listing (various sites are referring to this), but I see nothing about the power of the PS5 :
Was it modified after Series X announcement ? Or am I looking at the wrong source ?
I thought it was this job listing (various sites are referring to this), but I see nothing about the power of the PS5 :
Was it modified after Series X announcement ? Or am I looking at the wrong source ?
the "fastest console in the world" thing was erased because fans found it.
It was edited ages ago - pretty much immediately after people noticed it and started bringing it into these types of discussions.
But there were also positive reactions, like devs saying that Lockhart will not affect development for Anaconda.
majority was worried, according to DF and Schreier.
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The consensus was not though (apparently). There were devs that swore by Cell to give another example.
Not sure but my guess is the prices being thrown around sound far too high a percentage of the BOM for me, even assuming the higher $500 retail price.
That's just me, though.
We never heard how many devs said that... 2, 5, 100? We don't know but narrative was set 'that devs don't like idea of Lockhart'. And PC gaming alone is proof that existence of less powerful configurations DO NOT affect development and games do look best on PCs.
Sounds a little high but not absolutely out the door high, IMO
Yet another misquote. Words matter, and you guys need to use them carefully :)
Totally reasonable. PS4 was $90 in a $399 console. If HBM is that cheap there is a real possibility Sony might use it.
As flutter could say ''Just report him. Too much dumb back and forth about a definition of word he could google.''
:)
"I told ya Microsoft wanted to surprise Sony. Microsoft is saying Xbox Series X will be the "fastest" and "most powerful""
I mean you use words that are very easy to be misconstrued. Was this using words carefully?
Are Microsoft saying they are or "hopes/belive" they will be the most powerful console and those words you quoted were they not missing the Xbox in the end which seems like a weird thing to left out if you are "careful" with your words.
I'm expecting November 14-21 of next year.
Would be nice if it were earlier than that. 😋
there's the articles at DF and Kotaku you can read to find out more.
I am back on team 10tflop considering klees radio silence and a lack of clarification on the 12 tflop claim from journos. Ppl keep saying 12tflop and no one bothers to state if it's gcn or rdna. I mean Xbx 1x is 6tflop gcn, series's being 9tflop rdna is equal 12gcn which fits the bill perfectly . If it was rdna I am sure Phil would sing it from the rooftops. Phil's confusing multipliers don't help either. Hope I am wrong.
Rlly hope this is all true.So I would like to tie some messages together for the PS5. I'm already invested in the PS ecosystem so I'd rather not make this post PS5 vs XsX, please just bear with me! For this post I will assume 12TF for XsX is correct as we haven't seen evidence of the contrary and there have been several insiders claiming 12 TF combined with 2 x Xbox One X power (power not performance, it's an important distinction). It's gonna be long...
CPU/GPU
On the "other place", a new leaker posted some interesting info starting a few days ago, let's assume for a moment he is for real.
Pastebin TF numbers match exactly what is rumored by Tommy Fisher and I think the narrative fits what we are seeing currently.
RAM
HBM2 rumors
SSD
Patent dive into Sony SSD solution
PS5 - a patent dive into what might be the tech behind Sony's SSD customisations (technical!)
This will be one for people interested in some potentially more technical speculation. I posted in the next-gen speculation thread, but was encouraged to spin it off into its own thread. I did some patent diving to see if I could dig up any likely candidates for what Sony's SSD solution might...www.resetera.com
GAMES
SOCOM or Killzone?
Conclusion
If we add everything together we should get something like this for the PS5:
Custom AMD Zen 2-based CPU (8 cores @ 3.4 GHz)
Custom AMD Navi-based GPU (52 CU @ 2.0Ghz - 13.3 TF - RDNA 2.0)
- APU on 7nm+/7nm EUV process, could explain the high clocks
8GB HBM2 + 16 GB DDR4 RAM solution? (4GB DDR4 reserved for OS, power efficiency of HBM2 could be reason for higher GPU clocks)
NVMe SSD with custom controller (focus on read speeds, free CPU by integrated decompression)
I think the RAM and SSD parts are actually much much more interesting than the final TF count. We actually know very little about both PS5 solutions, not a lot of leaks in that direction. Maybe Sony is planning something special and tries hard to keep it secret? Thanks for the read if you made it this far.
Placeholder in all likelihood.
It's when consumers are most likely to spend the most money. Having it available, even it's not on any sort of discount, still drives sales since people are more willing to make that big purchase.
Here is some additional information from Xbox Series X architect Jason Ronald on the use of SSD pulled from some of the Gamespot interviews and such. Everyone likes to focus on the SSD speed itself, but things such as "giving developers a lot of new capabilities on top of that to try to virtually eliminate load times" speaks to the overall I/O picture beyond just a single component hardware spec.
DDR4 should be even less than that.
Have we learned nothing from yesterday? We need to loosen up and stop with reporting everything we dont like. There is nothing wrong with putting users on ignore and developing a thicker skin and just learning to live with posts you dont like. i really dont understand this concept of snitching in a community thread like this.
So wait: PS5 will have the better SSD, HBM memory and a better GPU? Then it will likely cost more than XSX. And Microsoft will then probably launch two consoles which are cheaper than a PS5. I don't see that being a reality.
Yeah, what Microsoft hopes or believes, or Sony for that matter, shouldnt really be relevant to this kind of discussion.
Single, double or quad stack? HBM2E can do 16GB as a single stack (up to 24GB, really) and 460GB/s.
Digital Foundry said 12 rdna.
who even ever said 10? Seems to be repeated but i never caught the original source
There are articles but there are not numbers. Still, my point why Lockhart will not hold Anaconda stays.
$599 by the sounds of it. I hope that's not the case...but I think the predictions are making shit into non reality territory. Let's not forget the thing has to be cooled and you would want it silent as well.
This whole thread is about what people want or believe :D
Why not? The only official information we have so far are stated goals and strategies for either one. As far as I'm concerned what Microsoft or Sony are willing to publicly "believe" at this point is more telling than any "insider" info.
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