For certain it is currently real, we just don't have many details on what shape it will take. Something to watch, no doubt.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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I caught up to the thread and all I got was Randy Pitchford yelling fuck the police. He's going full Kanye isn't he?
That's the big point. We get snarky posts about Klee almost every day. Being skeptical? Sure, but you dont have to bring it up on every chance you get, which some people do.
Seriously, this might as well be the Next Gen and Klee Speculation Thread on the way it has been going.
And stop dragging Klee. Start a new topic. Reported you for a constant derail Attacking Klee.
User Banned (3 days): Inflammatory accusations
$$ at least that's usually the endgame would be mines
And what do you want the mods to do? ....what do you expect they tell you "we verify the guy but we couldn't verify his info"
what else do you need?
This thread is generating a large number of reports and so we are temp locking it to go through them. Thanks for your patience.
We're reopening the thread. Stop with the console warring and the personal attacks against others. This is a speculation thread, not a battleground. No one is obligated to share their "insider info" with you.
Was getting jittery without being able to refresh this thread every 2 minutes. :)
So yeah, what else can we talk about... y'all think the PS5 will have the port for the PS4 camera since the PSVR is supported? If so, is that port adequate to double for a PS5 camera?
So yeah, what else can we talk about... y'all think the PS5 will have the port for the PS4 camera since the PSVR is supported? If so, is that port adequate to double for a PS5 camera?
PS5#2019....signing in 😞.
*white flag*
Man....as a millenial (29), it has been a tremendous honor to have grown up with gaming. I mean....yes, 33% of my life is obselete. But, I'm very excited to see this future.
I'm just eagerly waiting for the next level of VR/AR immersion. I haven't touched any VR games yet, and a simple 360 video on youtube STILL blows me away!
side note: I feel bad for the people who didn't watch VGHS on youtube 6 years ago. Gaming is already beginning to reach that reality.
When they finally watch the series, it won't be that special.
*white flag*
Man....as a millenial (29), it has been a tremendous honor to have grown up with gaming. I mean....yes, 33% of my life is obselete. But, I'm very excited to see this future.
I'm just eagerly waiting for the next level of VR/AR immersion. I haven't touched any VR games yet, and a simple 360 video on youtube STILL blows me away!
side note: I feel bad for the people who didn't watch VGHS on youtube 6 years ago. Gaming is already beginning to reach that reality.
When they finally watch the series, it won't be that special.
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Plus, they set records when it comes to short development times. One wonders how they get any slee-OHHHHHHH
That's alright buddy. Come over here and sit with us in #Team 18-20 TF :)
We're still barely holding in there if only for the fact that the RDNA to GCN conversion might vindicate us!
Your gonna look real silly when it gets announced tomorrow
It will surely need a camera. I suppose PSVR BC could require a new PS5 Camera - which could allow for improved tracking as well as 4k capture for streamers.
I'd love it if they'd use inside out tracking like Oculus and WMR sets are using now for PSVR 2.
I expect PSVR2 to have a different tracking system. But a camera has many applications on a console - so I'd also expect an upgraded peripheral.
But that may favour a 4K+ capture over the 3D/ 120fps capture modes of the current peripheral - which would make it not-compatible with PSVR - and require the dedicated port.
Unless they simply sell a USB converter.
Cross posting this from the DF thread on the xbox hardware.
i have a pretty big issue with this quote in the article. why is it unlikely?
the 36 cu polaris was 5.7 billion transistors at 14nm and 232mm2. the 5700xt is 10.4 billion transistors at 251 mm2. it looks like it doubled to me.
The scorpio apu was said to be 7 billion transistors at 16nm. that includes the jaguar cores. we know the zen 2 is 2 billion, but almost half of that is taken up by the cache which the console makers would cut down as shown by the flute leak. lets assume MS only cuts down the cache by half. we have a 1.5 billion transistor cpu.
we dont know the CU count of the scarlett, but even if we go by oberon 2.0 ghz clocks, we are looking at a 48 CU GPU with 4-6 disabled CUs. so 54 minimum. how is that not over or around 14 billion transistors? or 2x scorpio?
i saw phil complain about moore's law slowing down as well. and yet in just two years since scorpio's launch, he was able to release a 12 tflops gpu based on a completely different architecture while doubling the transistors which i believe is what moore's law is all about.
whats even more crazy is that DF themselves point out how the chip is as big as the scorpio which was 358 mm2. the 40 cu 5700xt is 251mm2. the zen 2 is 70mm2 and should be around 50 with half cache. that leaves 60mm2 for memory controllers and a whole shit load of CUs. yes, the clocks will be higher but you always get clockspeed increases when you go down nodes. thats on top of transistor density.
i have a pretty big issue with this quote in the article. why is it unlikely?
the 36 cu polaris was 5.7 billion transistors at 14nm and 232mm2. the 5700xt is 10.4 billion transistors at 251 mm2. it looks like it doubled to me.
The scorpio apu was said to be 7 billion transistors at 16nm. that includes the jaguar cores. we know the zen 2 is 2 billion, but almost half of that is taken up by the cache which the console makers would cut down as shown by the flute leak. lets assume MS only cuts down the cache by half. we have a 1.5 billion transistor cpu.
we dont know the CU count of the scarlett, but even if we go by oberon 2.0 ghz clocks, we are looking at a 48 CU GPU with 4-6 disabled CUs. so 54 minimum. how is that not over or around 14 billion transistors? or 2x scorpio?
i saw phil complain about moore's law slowing down as well. and yet in just two years since scorpio's launch, he was able to release a 12 tflops gpu based on a completely different architecture while doubling the transistors which i believe is what moore's law is all about.
whats even more crazy is that DF themselves point out how the chip is as big as the scorpio which was 358 mm2. the 40 cu 5700xt is 251mm2. the zen 2 is 70mm2 and should be around 50 with half cache. that leaves 60mm2 for memory controllers and a whole shit load of CUs. yes, the clocks will be higher but you always get clockspeed increases when you go down nodes. thats on top of transistor density.
They could always allow a generic webcam if they decide to go with a different tracking method for PSVR, I'd love good roomscale VR but a single camera really doesn't work well for that.
It is the same thing GG will be prioritizing because they even have a dedicated team for it now.
This is something I expect from a lot of games next gen and may be the "defining" aspect of next gen. These games finally feeling like actual places because of how it all comes together to convey their worlds.
When I finally buy PSVR2, I hope I can buy all the old PS4 VR games super cheap!
I can't even keep up with how many games they've released. Anyone know the actual library size? It has to be over 50 after 3 years.
I can't even keep up with how many games they've released. Anyone know the actual library size? It has to be over 50 after 3 years.
Makes you wonder why folks are expecting open world sequels to current gen games to drop ~3 years after their prior iteration.
Maybe you should consider the suggestion made by 'both sides' and split the thread.
For evidence this might work, review the equivalent single platform threads from the Old Place and you'll see they while they lack the post velocity, they were considerably less work for mods
I've been saying HZD2 will be launch window since Gaf
Microsoft has talked about handing off RTL code to AMD for integration. I wonder if they partnered with AMD to integrate their flavor of VRS, and that's why we are seeing it now, and AMD was coy about when they'd implement it. AMD benefiting from it on the PC doesn't necessarily hurt MS's new business model.
The thinking is they going to reused a lot of asset along with having a lot of the game play aspect down .
Also the SSD should save them time when it comes to doing certain things .
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I expect any gains made from ease of development to be offset by a tremendously larger scope for your typical AAA game. If we want and expect deeper and denser game worlds that truly feel alive, well...
unless you have a god tier AAA pipeline and thousands of devs like Ubisoft.I expect any gains made from ease of development to be offset by a tremendously larger scope for your typical AAA game. If we want and expect deeper and denser game worlds that truly feel alive, well...
Still IG is super impressive when it comes to that .
They made spidey 1 in 4 years and this time they already have a lot of the city and game play down .
I'll respectfully disagree. There are already echochambers on here, I don't think we need to add more.
The supposed lack of light bars in DS5 suggests we might get that. Plus the wireless patent and stuff.
Several things that would hype me for the Xbox Series X full reveal beyond any raw power spec stuff:
- Physics hardware assist for Havok engine
- AI co-processor of some type, "edge device" that can also utilize cloud data when connected to internet
- System level enhancements for backward compatibility games, maybe even something a little crazy such as a frame-rate upscaling approach
Honestly, splitting the thread is the *best* way to de-escalate this situation for good. Sure, they'd be like a 99% of overlap in the discussions, but clearly it's becoming an issue if it's turning to this every time it boils over.
I expect any gains made from ease of development to be offset by a tremendously larger scope for your typical AAA game. If we want and expect deeper and denser game worlds that truly feel alive, well...
AI will start to take a lot of this load:
OT - guys, we're about to get 10TF+, SSD storage, 16gb+ memory boxes.
I started out gaming on a 3.5K Commodore VIC-20.
For me - and I will be going with the PS5 since that's where my back catalogue and Sony have provided me with 23 years of reliable entertainment - either box has the potential to deliver truly singular* gaming experiences, the kind that reaffirm why we play games.
We need peace, man *kojimapassingdoobie.jpeg*
* as in distinguished by superiority
I think we know you are hyped ass hell already for XsX. No need to extrapolate 😉
Those things aren't farfetched at all. We should get all that in XSX. The BC team has been working hard and preparing for Next gen , I bet they'll make some announcements at the reveal.
Whats ironic about believing an industry veteran with a solid track record
I was thinking the same. It didn't make sense knowing what we know.
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