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bsigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh this is gonna be fun
We reached the culmination point. Lots of stuff depends on this verification.

I will say this again but never fully believe anything or anyone unless it's official

I mean yes and no. He could prove that he could have access to information but without any way of proving the validity of his information, we're just back to where we started.
 

Kreten

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He's confident because in many ways it could be true.

If MS have a faster CPU then, by some metrics, the XSX is the more powerful console. If it has patented VRS. If he is confident about Direct X he can also argue that when you combine software and hardware they are the "most powerful".

If you are Phil Spencer and you have an XSX with a 10% weaker GPU but a 10% stronger CPU, and specialised rendering software/hardware you are confident in with DirectX and patented VRS what do you say when you are asked if your console is more powerful than PS5?

You say exactly what Phil Spencer has said. Exactly how he has said it.

All I'm saying is that taking Phil at face value as meaning the XSX has a higher TF GPU than PS5 is a large leap of faith, especially when we now know that the targets haven't changed and all other sources suggest that PS5 has the advantage.

It may well be the case that the XSX has a better GPU than the PS5, but Phil Spencer's statements aren't strong evidence of that. They come from a biased source with a dog in the fight and are worded in a way that can be spun any number of ways to be "true" even if the PS5 has a higher TF GPU.

So personally I would treat Phil's statements as support for the evidence that the consoles are very very close in performance because he probably wouldn't make them if that wasn't the case. Is it evidence in support of some big change in the relative power of the GPUs from the Reiner/Klee/Voldemort leaks? I don't think so - especially when Klee says nothing has changed and he has the final specs of the consoles.
Let's just be honest and realistic here, how would Klee know if anything has changed or will change? Doesn't he himself say that things do change and that they are so close together that slight upclock/downclock could determine who ends up on top.

Another thing a lot of people here keep ignoring is that MS/Spencer message is exactly same as it was for Xbox one X yet somehow I see some members trying to spin it into secret sauce and how MS will claim power based on their confidence in their toolset.
 

Hawk269

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Oct 26, 2017
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2020 will be an iconic year in the history of gaming. No doubt in that.
All joking aside, I think you are 100% correct. We have Sony and MS and both look to be bringing it big time. The best thing about all of this competition between them is that for us gamers/enthusiasts it will give us cutting edge consoles and they both are pouring money into studios/devs and this will be even better for us.
 
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Hecht

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Oct 24, 2017
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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.
 

orochi91

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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.
Ayyy

In Klee we trust~~~
 

gundamkyoukai

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Oct 25, 2017
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Xbox 360 appealed to more than just a USA market with its offering regardless of the fact it was mostly successful in the USA. What brought me to 360 was Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. Even Tales of Vesperia appeared on the console first. Xbox 360 was a damn good outing by Xbox no matter where you lived.

But it got half it's sales from the USA and UK
Even with all of Sony fuck ups with the PS3 gen the still sold near 70 million consoles out side of USA.
This gen with MS fuck ups they lucky to sell 20 million out side the USA.
All that happen this gen was Sony got even in the USA and UK.
Yes MS lose some sales WW but the big factor was NA and UK for them to get that close to begin with .
Do you really see MS selling twice as much as Sony in the USA and UK next gen to keep thing close ?
 

Heel

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Oct 25, 2017
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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.

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PLASTICA-MAN

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Oct 26, 2017
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All joking aside, I think you are 100% correct. We have Sony and MS and both look to be bringing it big time. The best thing about all of this competition between them is that for us gamers/enthusiasts it will give us cutting edge consoles and they both are pouring money into studios/devs and this will be even better for us.

I have witnessed 3 generations' jumps on the internet. I have never seen as much enthusiasm for a new gen like for this next-gen. Evereything is promising. The new HW techs not possible before that will open new horizons for enw gaming techs and features, console hardware, for the first time being near equal to high end PC when launching, reaching CGI quality in graphics. All those for the first time. This gonna be epic.
Look at TGA this year, it broke records in views.
Next year TGA gonna be tough.
 

vivftp

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Oct 29, 2017
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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.

Sounds good :)

We're in the endgame of this long journey we've all undertaken and I can't wait to see how things play out in the coming months. I'm glad Klee was there to make the journey more bearable and exciting :)

I do wonder if any of the various insiders might decide to give us all a holiday treat soon :)
 

VinFTW

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait what?

We already knew Klee was verified from Zhuge

The whole point was the spec sheet????
 

PLASTICA-MAN

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Oct 26, 2017
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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.

Exactly and good point thanks. If things get changed meanwhile (which are prone to happen), we can't blame it on our fellow Kleegamefan . Some changes may even stay hidden forever so we should stay wiser.
 

ppn7

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Are you aware of how few full fledged DX12 engine based games there are out there? DX12 was always important, and for games that utilized it well, Xbox One shined. Games that used it such as Playground's titles demonstrated the very best of results.
Yeah forza horizon 4 is the perfect example of DX12
 

Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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leaked PS5 form factor

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leaked Series X modular add-on for mid-gen

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Hawk269

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Oct 26, 2017
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I have witnessed 3 generations' jumps on the internet. I have never seen as much enthusiasm for a new gen like for this next-gen. Evereything is promising. The new HW techs not possible before that will open new horizons for enw gaming techs and features, console hardware, for the first time being near equal to high end PC when launching, reaching CGI quality in graphics. All those for the first time. This gonna be epic.
Look at TGA this year, it broke records in views.
Next year TGA gonna be tough.
I use to work for Toys "R" Us (over 35 years) and I have been part of console launches since the Atari 5200. In my various positions I have been involved deeply in some launches...for example the Saturn surprise launch I knew about a month before it happened due to the logistics needed for it to happen and that our TRU in Hawthorne was the closest Store to the L.A. Convention Center where Sega was going to announce the release. With that said, the enthusiasm is pretty high going into the 2020 releases. What will really tell the tale is when pre-orders go up.
 

DrScissorsMD

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Jan 19, 2019
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I ask again. If he and his info are legit, why say "I've got the sheet" and then offer nothing else. Bait AF.
 

thuway

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Oct 27, 2017
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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.
🐐
 

AegonSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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All right. I believe that Klee is a "credible" source in that they have enough evidence to show that they could have access to such information (whether secondhand or otherwise).

However I have not verified the information itself, so as with anything, take all rumors and such with a grain of salt. Even if something turns out to be false, things change over time, and some people are just passing along what they know at the time.
thanks. but i believe he was verified as a credible source way back then. i thought you were verifying the spec.

no big deal. i believe in klee. thanks for looking into it.
 

AndyMc1888

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Jul 16, 2019
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So we know klee is a journalist nothing's changed - he's no more credible than everyone else on twitter giving info and should be treated as such. I don't doubt he has access to that information but until it's first hand dev information verified can everyone stop talking in facts ?

I would still be going with windows central being pretty safe bet so far
 
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