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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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Re: Photogrammetry
My favorite interview regarding the impact of photogrammetry has been this one with Capcom, who use it in all their games: https://www.techradar.com/news/how-photogrammetry-brought-resident-evils-world-of-undeath-to-life
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Nobunny messaged me about it but I told them that I wanted to check with Klee first. Klee seemed a bit frustrated with the ongoings in the thread, so I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate. I'm also trying not to have this thread go on for too long past 20K posts as threads aren't really supposed to go on for too long past it, and I'm not sure when I could get a response back from Klee, I don't want to rush him.
Ok, the Xbox Series X is 12 TF. How does it get there?
- 48 CU @ 1954 MHz
- 52 CU @ 1803 MHz
- 54 CU @ 1737 MHz (with a 3SE setup)
- 56 CU @ 1675 MHz
- 60 CU @ 1563 MHz
You've never had the pleasure of owning a One X that wasn't a winner in the Hovis Method lottery, have you?
you are the OT owner now make your selection. The poll selection is awful (includes mine) tbh.
My bet would be 56 CUs. Big question is if it's 4 or 6 Shader Arrays. Also have a hunch that PS5 is also going with 56CUs as I've illustrated in a previous post.
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Just goes to show that optimism can win out over pragmatism.
Edit: Did MS say if Hellblade 2 was a launch game?
I'm guessing Xbox Series X is 52 CU @ 1800
And the PS5 might be aiming for 48 CU @ 2000?
Well PS5 is said to be smaller and has a mode where it can go 40 CUs or 18 CUs for BC purposes...
And the PS5 might be aiming for 48 CU @ 2000?
Well PS5 is said to be smaller and has a mode where it can go 40 CUs or 18 CUs for BC purposes...
I think people are forgetting we also expected $399 for sure next gen, MS & Sony are not throwing in this extra stuff for free. Once $499 became certain, it was obvious they were gonna buff up the consoles.
I think 56 CU and 1600mhz more doable. Lower clock will be better to be quieter and lower TDP
I wouldn't take any rumor about die sizes seriously, honestly.
True my target price for Xbox Series X is $599 16gb gddr6, ssd nvme 1tb or more, zen2 almost on desktop clocks, rdna2 with 10+ flops doesn't fit well even on $499
As far as I know the only "leak" that claims a die size for the PS5 did nothing but add the size of an 8 core Zen 2 die and the 5700XT.
its either 54 CU or 56. i think 1.73 ghz is too high. previously they were able to add 8 extra CUs to a two shader engine Polaris for a total of 44.
We know that they need to disable 1 Dual CU per shader engine so if its a 60 CU GPU, it will be 54 CUs. if they go with 21 CUs we are looking at a 66 CU CU with 60 CUs. would they go with something that big? anything is possible with this giant cube design. I mean technically CUs are tiny. whats an extra 6 CUs to a silicon cost when it saves you 100 mhz in clockspeeds and drastically reduces your tdp.
MS are gonna take the loss & make it up with sub fee's, same for Sony, but at $399 with the SSD & bigger GPU, the loss was likely too big & they both moved to $499.
I bring it up anyway because just a year ago anytime i or anyone else said PS5 might be $499, i was always told "No" it's funny how quickly it's all been changing.
Console dies dont cost that much compared to other things. Sony's 350mm2 die with 20 CUs (same as HD 7870) cost them $100. a similar die size shouldnt cost that much more to fabricate.
They will both also take a loss this time around to hit that $499 price tag. console gaming is a lot more healthier than it was back in 2013.
Yes, exclusive. You know it is on pc also?
And you are right, because all the launch games on PS4 also looked the same...🤨
but the cpu at that apu is a crap. so maybe a $150-200 apu? and the higher cost of memory and ssd.
That's fair. The increase in cost is well worth it to have a generation that allows a larger leap in game development. People will be excited to buy these boxes.
My own personal hunch about the pricing of these consoles is that I think one of them will come in at $50 more expensive than the other. So for example:
PS5 - $449
Xbox Series X - $499
or:
PS5 - $499
Xbox Series X - $449
I.E the price won't be the same but the differential really won't matter.
It's not based out of any actual analysis I've done, because I like my free time right now! Might do one for fun over the Christmas break.
PS5 - $449
Xbox Series X - $499
or:
PS5 - $499
Xbox Series X - $449
I.E the price won't be the same but the differential really won't matter.
It's not based out of any actual analysis I've done, because I like my free time right now! Might do one for fun over the Christmas break.
CPU being crap has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the die cost. All that matters is process and size.
I want them to say 12TF also just for the fun of it and see what happens in the thread lol.
I don't know if it'll be a launch game but I think it will be episodic. It fits with the name (saga), original game approach and Gamepass model.
Im surprised so many people are cool with the idea of the PS5 having a 2080 Ti, but if i say if it did, Godfall would probably look better than a polished Lords of the Fallen, that's too crazy.
It's real easy to go nuts with Unreal Engine 4, it's a very mature engine.
I always told my self i can see one of them going for $449 .
I don't think these systems as expensive to make like some think .
a transistor is a transistor. doesnt matter really when it comes to manufacturing. whatever licensing they did to get Zen 2 is part of R&D and shouldnt factor into the BOM.
$150 is the max for the APU and thats only because 7nm costs are higher than 28nm costs. that leaves $70 for SSD and RAM since the PS4 BOM was only $381. That should be enough. The cooling should cost an extra $20-30 depending on how elegant the solution is, but thats the only loss they are taking besides whatever cut the retailers take. So $50-60 loss per console. $100 max which comes out to be $1.5 billion per yea if they sell 15 million units.
they make $3 billion in profits every quarter. they can afford it for their premiere product. MS makes $10 billion in profits every quarter last i checked. Both will take a loss to compete for that sweet PS+ and XBL/Gamepass money and 30% in digital revenue. a $599 console will be DOA.
You still need the man power and budget .
If i remember right it's a rather small team making the game.
We don't know yet. Certain insiders have said that this is the case but nothing have proven right or wrong either way.
Very reasonable.
I hope you're right. Would be spectacular.
Somebody's ass
thanks for the info. By the size of the console it looks like air flow cooling right? so cheaper?
Maybe I'll be insanely wrong, but I really think the SSD cost is being inflated.
I think PS5 will have its 8GB GDDR5 moment, they'll announce that is the amount of RAM used in the PS5
Same and if it on the board it would be even cheaper and help save space .
That would be the ideal power on the GPU. You would see a lot of calm.
I did state this though, that the power does not matter to most hardcore gamers, it has never really mattered, most people will simply get the console that their heart desires. Some of us were always going to get the XB1 despite it being 40% disadvantaged when it came to power; there were a lot of people that bought a PS4 Pro as a second console knowing full well that there was a more powerful console coming up.
Other than that, Sony is working at their own pace, and on their own timeline. My hope is that we do not have to wait until February to really see final specs on the PS5.
what if the series X is the hardcore expensive 599euro version?
Nobody knows, both are going to be so close that it ultimately won't matter.
"What the fuck are they booing for? They cheered for 8GB in 2013!"
From what Phil was saying E3. Specs + games+ price will all be there.
What we have not heard anything about yet are the custom stuff and how these improve performance/offset stuff from the CPUs.
There should be at least two custom stuff, the AI chip/Engine and the Sound/media chip (OG had the Xbox MCPX and Xbox One has the Shape Block, the 360 I don't remember).
As for the name and design, design cool, name I don't care. It's not that I will utter it often. I will just call it Xbox..
There should be at least two custom stuff, the AI chip/Engine and the Sound/media chip (OG had the Xbox MCPX and Xbox One has the Shape Block, the 360 I don't remember).
As for the name and design, design cool, name I don't care. It's not that I will utter it often. I will just call it Xbox..
Maaaan that's a long ass wait! But I think you're right. I wonder where the Series S announcement would be though.
We're still getting a DF article in the next couple of months.
I'm thinking the 12 tflops confirmation is in regards to it's equivalent GCN compute performance. If it were 12 tflops RDNA (~15 tflops GCN), wouldn't that be roughly equal to over 10x and 2.5x the performance of the Xbox One S and One X, respectively?
We're basically getting a 5700 XT inside the Xbox Series X, which is GREAT, despite what some people may think.
We're basically getting a 5700 XT inside the Xbox Series X, which is GREAT, despite what some people may think.
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