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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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nah, too fun to ignore btw if anyone can write so also dev with devkit can ;d
That's not how that particular line of logic is supposed to work lol
Yeah this talk of 50+ CU's at 1.9/2Ghz on a SOC is getting a bit ridiculous, we have seen how the 40 CU 5700 XT handles clocks on a PC already.
It really seems like both MS & Sony are going to go slow & wide, Big Navi at 52 CU's for Scarlet is almost a shoe in i think.
What are the chances that we'll hear something next gen related tonight during the Game Awards?
yes, I believe it was just an update to an existing older Kutaragi-era patent.
That's not new and it's a really old patent according to some people here.
New game reveals could give us an idea of what to expect from next gen. Some kind of a "Watch Dogs moment".
But without a massive downgrade in the final product. No bullshit trailers, please.
I think there's zero chances, but it would be a good idea for Xbox to just hint at a reveal in January (if it's happening)
If it has Ubisoft logo at the beginning it's pretty much confirmed. ahah
That's what i'm thinking tbh, a real time demo of a new IP that isn't releasing on the first half of next year and isn't like anything we've ever seen before attempted on the current gen consoles, indeed i'm basically looking for another "Watch Dogs moment" on at least one of the new World Premieres tonight.
I don't believe in butterfly design too. SONY took some times to finally released boost mode on Pro. And baring some few exceptions, it works pretty great. Digital Foundry thinks this mode keep the deactivation of half the CU. So they didn't took an unneccessary risk for a mod gen.
But if I remember correctly, there was a rumor Sony struggle with BC on PS5.
O boi, we are now at 72CU, this week is awesome.
There was a rumor about two SKU for PS5 (could just be SSD size differences). I don't remember if it was debunked.
I think we would know if there was a Pro.
The problem is the scenary. This is the interior of a spaceship, probably the most blend thing to show.
I am convinced of that too. I think the whole "does console have HW RT" came to the fact those cards didn't existed at that time.
From AMD PR perspective, it is not good to say "we are launching new card, look how fantastic they are" while Sony and MS reveaved spec "oh no, we aren't using those cards, we will use next gen which are way better".
RDNA 2 will have HD RT and be more power effecient (which is our big topic here).
I think the PC used as target before having next-generation devkits were probably weaker than next gen consoles. The studios were probably targeting Vega 64 or Vega 56 GPUs. There is much less risk of bullshit demos than last generation.
Those consoles will be such beasts. It's seems to be pretty much the reverse of last gens lead up.
No, you can't get the better CPUs, take Jaguars!
No, you can't get the 2.4 Tflops GPU that was rumoured!
No, you can't get more than 8 gigs of DDR3 RAM (and praise the gods for that PS4 doubling in the last minute)!
Now it's like:
You said we couldn't do SSD/10+ Tflops Navis/good CPU/raytracing(/probably biiig APUs), so WE DID IT!
Yeah, a few here said the reveal is coming soon. Not 2019, so that rules out TGA.
Has AMD ever done a GPU (or, better, a modern GPU, GCN) with 3 Shader Engines? I can't recall any, so I don't think that's something they'd do.
That said, they have changed the internal architecture of the GPUs and created a new cache structure that makes it so each Shader Array is actually an almost entirely self-contained unit, and that removes a lot of pressure from the Shader Engines. I have a gut feeling that's actually how Navi scales up, adding Shader Arrays.
Now, if we assume that, mirroring the PS4 Pro ability to "switch off" one Shader Engine Navi can "switch off" entire Shader Arrays, the smallest configuration that achieves the "BC2 = 18CU, BC1 = 40CU" thing is with 56CUs as 6 Shader arrays: 4-5-5-4-5-5 WGPs (i.e. 8-10-10-8-10-10). Obviously, a 60CU part with 4 disabled for yields.
At 1.8GHz that would give us ~13TF. At 2GHz, that would give us 14.3TF - and yeah, that's a number we've seen before :D
That said, they have changed the internal architecture of the GPUs and created a new cache structure that makes it so each Shader Array is actually an almost entirely self-contained unit, and that removes a lot of pressure from the Shader Engines. I have a gut feeling that's actually how Navi scales up, adding Shader Arrays.
Now, if we assume that, mirroring the PS4 Pro ability to "switch off" one Shader Engine Navi can "switch off" entire Shader Arrays, the smallest configuration that achieves the "BC2 = 18CU, BC1 = 40CU" thing is with 56CUs as 6 Shader arrays: 4-5-5-4-5-5 WGPs (i.e. 8-10-10-8-10-10). Obviously, a 60CU part with 4 disabled for yields.
I do not think we will ever see such a thing. And a 4 SE array could end up having too much die space overhead too. I am curious if there is a bigger RDNA1 GPU how AMD has organized it on-chip.Has AMD ever done a GPU (or, better, a modern GPU, GCN) with 3 Shader Engines? I can't recall any, so I don't think that's something they'd do.
That said, they have changed the internal architecture of the GPUs and created a new cache structure that makes it so each Shader Array is actually an almost entirely self-contained unit, and that removes a lot of pressure from the Shader Engines. I have a gut feeling that's actually how Navi scales up, adding Shader Arrays.
Now, if we assume that, mirroring the PS4 Pro ability to "switch off" one Shader Engine Navi can "switch off" entire Shader Arrays, the smallest configuration that achieves the "BC2 = 18CU, BC1 = 40CU" thing is with 56CUs as 6 Shader arrays: 4-5-5-4-5-5 WGPs (i.e. 8-10-10-8-10-10). Obviously, a 60CU part with 4 disabled for yields.
At 1.8GHz that would give us ~13TF. At 2GHz, that would give us 14.3TF - and yeah, that's a number we've seen before :D
Cool thanks. And I assume these people are consider as insiders
The only disappointment is RAM which it seems everyone is being quiet about now despite a few months ago a lot of arguments about it, im really surprised it wasn't 20+ GB's min. though it might be for PS5 who knows.
Sure it's dissapointing if true, as I wrote earlier I would prefer 10tf with 20GB ram than 12tf with 16 not to mention existance of Lockhart
Masses of RAM is just a crutch for poor I/O from the storage medium. Decent solid state storage offsets the need to lean on it like past consoles have and it's cost efficient - invest in ssd performance, gain on lower RAM requirements to achieve effective result. The maturity of the tech out there to facilitate these massive open worlds we see is already impressive, RAM doesn't need to increase by the same ratio as other facets when the storage device improvements obliterate every other advancement many times over.
I would say "kind of" - I think there are use cases for large data sets IN Ram. Like BVH structures from RT. Voxel grids for anything using voxels. etc.
The SSD will help sure, but i just remember not too long ago we went 10 pages straight bickering about the amount of RAM, it's just funny because i don't think anyone expected under 20, including myself.
Also HBM could still be a thing for PS5 maybe too, but im on the board of GDDR6 for both with no DDR4 for OS.
A fair amount of people were thinking 16 is what we might get but was hoping for 16 for games and 4 for OS.
RAM just to expensive to get a huge amount .
16 or 20 is still a low overall multiplier so assuming we expect SSD to mitigate that, is it likely to make a significant meaningful difference which it is? 16 is obviously easier architecturally to support.
I remembered when some were angry that people refer it as Xbone, as if it was a derogatory term of some sort.
Console wars has its moments.
Console wars has its moments.
Engines have scalability, just because it can support older hardware does not mean it isn't a next gen engine. It's almost certainly designed for the future. We have only seen cutscenes of a game more than a year out. What they shown isn't going to show off the new consoles power, which is odd. We'll know what this engine is capable of soon.
If they are designed that way, that's quite the assumption. And I wonder if it's possible to design something as complex as a game engine thats scalable in literally everything that it does.
Well GDDR6 is better than 5 but the SSD is suppose to make a huge difference .
We are getting a huge jump with that which will allow them to use the ram better.
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