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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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100% no. I never said that, nor do I have any reason to believe that the reported numbers are adjusted on either side.
I was wondering IF they SHOULD adjust the numbers at launch given how casual folks will compare them to the Gen8 numbers without understanding the generational improvements.
I've seen this posted a few times, so please let's clear this up.
yep. MS didnt bother giving away the clock speeds of the cpu, the tflops count of the gpu and the type of ram at the xone reveal.
whoever, be it sony or ms, loses the tflops war, or cpu clock war or bandwidth war, will simply not mention them.
Sony just released this in their pdf.
i get banned every few weeks. mostly for making stupid jokes about console wars.
i am pretty sure im a ban away from a perma because of previous infractions.
remember me.
He says he doubted the source so maybe it's not someone that can be trusted, IDK.
Albert's comment, to me, seems to be more in regard to Lockhart, where it could be perceived as having lower capability than the 1X.
I think MS will handle this in a similar fashion as they do today. They tout the 6TF capability of the 1X, for the 1S they say "the best value in games and entertainment." This is what I expect them to do next gen.
Example:
"Meet the Project Scarlett family of consoles featuring 4 times the CPU power, and SSDs that are 40x faster. Choose best in class performance and capability with the 12 TF Anaconda, or the best value in next gen gaming with Lockhart"
They won't hide Lockhart's specs, but where it would make it look weak, they definitely won't advertise it.
2 lane nVME drives are part of the M.2 standard. Not that it matters since you can do whatever configuration you want in a console.
We don't actually know what they were measuring with that 40x quote. What if it was latency, not bandwidth?
Logically, we might conclude that the developers confident in sharing their impressions on the performance differences were the ones with access to both and ability to make such a judgement.
Converting between GCN flops versus RDNA flops is not a real thing anyone in the industry does. It's a behavior entirely invented in these threads.
He was talking in terms on how to do public relations. The first sentence was already about how the difficulty of explaining to the general public. Then he gave 3 examples on how the PR can be written.
It wasn't about 'is it GCN or RDNA" but rather "how do we explain to people who have no clue even though the teraflop number doesn't explain the difference"
So you go to Brad Sams article on Windows Central for example, on how he did it.
- give out the teraflops number, and compare it to a product of this gen
- explain in an another paragraph about how this doesn't really show how much better it is compared to this gen.
They've never adjusted them before. I'm sure the comparison between the two matters more for what will control the debates. If one manufacturer chooses a different metric, it could get interesting.
this is the only explanation for them staying silent through out this insanity. they probably know a full reveal is coming soon and they have an exclusive.
exciting stuff.
Thanks for the clarification! And sorry, it wasn't my intention to misrepresent your post, probably read a bit too fast + not a native speaker.
I don't think they will survive either way tbh, lol.
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That would be boring. I hope they have a full reveal with game announcements/trailers/gameplay
I can't believe people have been blatantly misrepresenting what Albert said.
positive xbox news gets some people in a tizzy.
positive xbox news gets some people in a tizzy.
The ERA Technical Working Group and DF would surely expose any sort of shenanigans.
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This makes sense.
Edit: but if it is in fact 4 GCN Tflops for Lockhart, that would match with those that were saying that it is similar to a PS4 Pro...
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I always try to write my replies on how I would respond to a person in real life.
So he could be right, but imagine that in verbal form. Don't be juvenile. At least have a higher standard for yourself.
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If only. I get why 13gb for games is enough, but damn. You still hope for more.
One of the guys (Karmaprof) over at B3D made a pretty good point regarding unified memory architecture cause now it seems both PS5 and Anaconda will have 256-bit 16GB memory bus, i didn't think about this much before:
"If this the real Endproduct /Retail then good Night. It is the same Bottleneckarchitecture like on the Ps4. What People forget with an UMA Architecture is , you cannot have the full 256 Bit Bandwidth for the GPU because you must share it with the CPU , and a Zen2 CPU at 3 or 3,5 Ghz , 16 x Multithreading , need more Bandwidth then the oldJaguar CPU at 1,6 Ghz. It is not only about Gbytes/s . And Gddr6 is a high Latency Memory not really good for CPU Operations. So in real you have only 192 Bit for the GPU and the Rest goes to the CPU , not enough for native 4K gaming and 60 Fps , and not enough for the Zen2 CPU to utilize her full strength. In such Bottleneckarchitecture a Zen2 CPU is far more limited as in a PC Architecture/Motherboard.
So yes 16 Gbyte Ram and a 256 Bit Bus is good for the Buisness , but bad for the Games, bad for the Progress, and bad for my Eyes. So what have they done in the 7 Years at the R&D Headquarter?"
"If this the real Endproduct /Retail then good Night. It is the same Bottleneckarchitecture like on the Ps4. What People forget with an UMA Architecture is , you cannot have the full 256 Bit Bandwidth for the GPU because you must share it with the CPU , and a Zen2 CPU at 3 or 3,5 Ghz , 16 x Multithreading , need more Bandwidth then the oldJaguar CPU at 1,6 Ghz. It is not only about Gbytes/s . And Gddr6 is a high Latency Memory not really good for CPU Operations. So in real you have only 192 Bit for the GPU and the Rest goes to the CPU , not enough for native 4K gaming and 60 Fps , and not enough for the Zen2 CPU to utilize her full strength. In such Bottleneckarchitecture a Zen2 CPU is far more limited as in a PC Architecture/Motherboard.
So yes 16 Gbyte Ram and a 256 Bit Bus is good for the Buisness , but bad for the Games, bad for the Progress, and bad for my Eyes. So what have they done in the 7 Years at the R&D Headquarter?"
can we realistically deduce how much 8, 10 and 12tf rdna gpus with hardware raytracing are going to cost at the time of next gen consoles launch?
I guess with modern streaming tech + ssd speeds more ram won't make a difference.
yep, 256bit but is small for 12tf and zen2 >3ghz, maybe they will use 18gbps as in some old rumour
But Microsoft owns Sea of Thieves and everybody knows that Pirates >>>>>> Ninjas
Yeah, it's almost as bad as xbox one x tflops being fp16.
Oh well at least it provides a laugh.
everybody knows that and I see nothing wrong there.
It's a joke.
we aimed low and received higher than expected Tf numbers soooo im just following suite nahmsaying flutter butter boo. :p
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